Are there any God ordained feasts I can partake in?

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Dan_473

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According to the Greek thinking and language, the physical and spiritual is separate. But the OT was given by God in Hebrew and more and more science is finding that so was most of the NT. In Hebrew, letters and words can be understood on many different levels and there is a spiritual side to the physical. In Hebrew teachings, it cannot be said that one passage is spiritual only and there is nothing physical about it, or a passage is physical history only with no spiritual message.
"...more and more science is finding that so was most of the NT."

my understanding is that the New Testament was all written in Greek.

what is leading you to believe that parts of the New Testament were written in Hebrew?
 

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Are I understood you right? Christ presence is in the day?
Like the RCC believes that Christ is in the hostie during the transformation what we called the Lord supper? 7 Is Christ not always present in us through his Spirit?
Not every day is holy....the Sabbath is holy time special to God...God is holy...we are to be holy and by rejecting the Sabbath we seem to be cutting ourselves off from 'holiness...which is required to enter the Kingdom of God.
I am just going by what GOD says in His Word...not how people understand it...because human reasoning will almost always contradict God...it's the nature of the beast. God tells us that His thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways not our ways.
 

Magenta

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Jesus told them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the
Sabbath. Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
Mark 2:27
 

Blik

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You are continuing, incorrectly, to paint with a very broad brush!
The only covenant that has been abrogated is the Sinaitic covenant!

None of the other covenants have been abrogated although they have been mostly fulfilled in Christ!

I personally wish that people would stop using the term "Old covenant" - it is imprecise and meaningless!
I know that what they really mean is the "Sinaitic covenant", but you are exploiting that imprecision to accuse people of saying things that they patently did not mean...
The Sinai Covenant promises blessings for obedience to the laws God created for us to live by. It had absolutely nothing to do with salvation that the covenant with Christ is about. Please give the scripture to back up your posting that God took back the blessings for us.
 

Blik

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"...more and more science is finding that so was most of the NT."

my understanding is that the New Testament was all written in Greek.

what is leading you to believe that parts of the New Testament were written in Hebrew?
Many things. Many of the earliest writings about scripture tells us so. They especially speak of Matthew, Mark, Luke and Acts as first written in Hebrew.

There is no one that God gave His word to that wasn't a Hebrew or was raised in a Hebrew home. That would lead me to think that all of these men listened to what God told them with a mind that thought as Hebrews did.

It was decided that Hebrew was not spoken any more at the time of Christ. New discoveries say that wasn't so. The words on the burial boxes discovered are in Hebrew. If you check on scripture you find that when the Lord spoke to Paul he spoke in Hebrew.

As I make a study of the Hebrew language and the Greek language, I find that in Hebrew the words have deep meaning that is both physical and spiritual. I do not speak or understand either Greek or Hebrew, I am saying what the people who do speak those languages tell me.

As an example, we are all familiar with the Hebrew word Shalom. There is no one word in any language that tells us what this means, we learn about it by the explanation using many adjectives. I am told that many Hebrew words are like this, they have many meanings on many levels.
 

Angela53510

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There is not one single extant early Hebrew manuscript for the NT. Plus, Jesus and his disciples mainly used the LXX or Greek Septuagint when they quoted the OT.

You are completely exaggerating what the Hebrew language is. It is a language and goes not have any super spiritual connotations.
 

Blik

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There is not one single extant early Hebrew manuscript for the NT. Plus, Jesus and his disciples mainly used the LXX or Greek Septuagint when they quoted the OT.

You are completely exaggerating what the Hebrew language is. It is a language and goes not have any super spiritual connotations.
I an told that the Hebrew language has had many changes just as our English language has.

So what Hebrew language are you speaking of that does not have super spiritual connotations. I have read many sources saying that scripture in Hebrew does have many spiritual connotations. Are all these people wrong who tells me that?

I understand that you are very familiar with modern Hebrew can speak and read it. Is that true?
 

wolfwint

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Not every day is holy....the Sabbath is holy time special to God...God is holy...we are to be holy and by rejecting the Sabbath we seem to be cutting ourselves off from 'holiness...which is required to enter the Kingdom of God.
I am just going by what GOD says in His Word...not how people understand it...because human reasoning will almost always contradict God...it's the nature of the beast. God tells us that His thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways not our ways.
So as nurse ( male :) ) i working sundays too. And because of this I will not enter Gods kingdom?
Do you see a different between Jews and Christians? Are the OT instructions which we find in the book of leviticus for christians too?
 

graceNpeace

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The Sinai Covenant promises blessings for obedience to the laws God created for us to live by. It had absolutely nothing to do with salvation that the covenant with Christ is about. Please give the scripture to back up your posting that God took back the blessings for us.
Indeed, but all it actually brought was condemnation...
As the Apostle Paul makes it abundantly clear in both Romans and Galatians!
 

graceNpeace

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There is not one single extant early Hebrew manuscript for the NT. Plus, Jesus and his disciples mainly used the LXX or Greek Septuagint when they quoted the OT.

You are completely exaggerating what the Hebrew language is. It is a language and goes not have any super spiritual connotations.
Quite!
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Blik

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Indeed, but all it actually brought was condemnation...
As the Apostle Paul makes it abundantly clear in both Romans and Galatians!
Are you saying that we are all without any of God's blessings, God only condemns? What an ugly world you picture.
 

graceNpeace

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Are you saying that we are all without any of God's blessings, God only condemns? What an ugly world you picture.
It seems that all you are able to do is wilfully misunderstand what is said!
Nowhere did I say, nor would I ever say, that God only condemns.
What you have written is just your febrile imagination.
Unfortunately it seems pretty pointless trying to interact with you under the circumstances...
 

Blik

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So as nurse ( male :) ) i working sundays too. And because of this I will not enter Gods kingdom?
Do you see a different between Jews and Christians? Are the OT instructions which we find in the book of leviticus for christians too?
When Christ worked to help people on the Sabbath it was not sin.

Do you think that God is wrong when God instructs us? We are not Jews but foreigners. Over and over scripture tells us that as foreigners we have the same God as the Israelites. Paul explained we are adopted. God created all people and is the God of all people. We are to listen to our God, just as the Jews are to listen.
 

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So as nurse ( male :) ) i working sundays too. And because of this I will not enter Gods kingdom?
Do you see a different between Jews and Christians? Are the OT instructions which we find in the book of leviticus for christians too?
You seem not to take into consideration the fact that we are allowed, even encouraged to do 'good works even on the Sabbath...and helping people in distress certainly figures in this.
I was simply making a general remark for those who blatantly reject/ignore the Sabbath for the only reaso they disagree with God.
You ask about Jew and christians....there should be NO DIVISION for those who TURN TO THE LORD ! we are all to take on HIS TEACHING !!! not establish our own.
 

beta

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It seems that all you are able to do is wilfully misunderstand what is said!
Nowhere did I say, nor would I ever say, that God only condemns.
What you have written is just your febrile imagination.
Unfortunately it seems pretty pointless trying to interact with you under the circumstances...
Blik was only asking a question...not stating a fact.
 

graceNpeace

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Blik was only asking a question...not stating a fact.
The fact that it was phrased as a question changes nothing!
It is still called jumping to unwarranted conclusions...
 

beta

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The fact that it was phrased as a question changes nothing!
It is still called jumping to unwarranted conclusions...
that's easy done when the implications lead to it. KISS and make up !
 

Dan_473

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Many things. Many of the earliest writings about scripture tells us so. They especially speak of Matthew, Mark, Luke and Acts as first written in Hebrew.

There is no one that God gave His word to that wasn't a Hebrew or was raised in a Hebrew home. That would lead me to think that all of these men listened to what God told them with a mind that thought as Hebrews did.

It was decided that Hebrew was not spoken any more at the time of Christ. New discoveries say that wasn't so. The words on the burial boxes discovered are in Hebrew. If you check on scripture you find that when the Lord spoke to Paul he spoke in Hebrew.

As I make a study of the Hebrew language and the Greek language, I find that in Hebrew the words have deep meaning that is both physical and spiritual. I do not speak or understand either Greek or Hebrew, I am saying what the people who do speak those languages tell me.

As an example, we are all familiar with the Hebrew word Shalom. There is no one word in any language that tells us what this means, we learn about it by the explanation using many adjectives. I am told that many Hebrew words are like this, they have many meanings on many levels.
"Many of the earliest writings about scripture tells us so.*"

whose writings?

Details please
 

Lewiz

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Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [SUP]17 [/SUP] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

IMO, keeping any OT holy day or feast is no different than keeping the law of circumcision.