What is the bible?

[VW]

There is an erroneous belief that every word of God is contained in the bible. What, you do not believe this? Then how can the reasoning which says that there cannot be prophecy because the bible is finished hold up under scrutiny? Every belief we have has an end result, every single one. If we believe that the bible is the final, finished and complete revelation of God, then we also believe that it contains all of the knowledge of God, along with every word He has spoken. For the belief says that there is no prophecy, because the bible is finished.

And yet, even in scripture we see that if all the words of Jesus, and all of His deeds, were written down, that there would not be enough room in the whole world to contain them. Do you see the problem? Each belief we have must be examined in the light of God's wisdom to see the end of that belief.

I once believed that I was saved because Jesus had died and rose again on my behalf. And while it is true that He did give Himself for me, that alone did not save me. For while I believed in His forgiveness, I did not draw near to Him with a sincere heart, to see sand know Him. I did just as the children of Israel did, and hardened my heart towards God, claiming His salvation while holding myself out of His light. And who could deliver me from my own lies? God did. It was not pretty.

If all that we know of God is what we read, and if all that we have of Him is knowledge gained by study and teaching; then we do not know God. And if we do not know God, we have believed in vain, and the sacrifice that Jesus made in order to purchase us from slavery has done us no good.

No, all knowledge of God is not in the bible. And all of His words are not contained therein. For God has not lost His mouth, and He has not stopped talking. We have stopped listening. And just as God judged those who hardened their hearts towards His voice, so He will judge us for the same thing, because He does not change, ever; else He is not God.

 

[resurrection33]

The Bible is a collection of things.

Much of it is history. Written into the history is much instruction from God (including Jesus Christ, who, I believe, is God in the flesh).

 

[paulnsilas]

There is an erroneous belief that every word of God is contained in the bible. What, you do not believe this? Then how can the reasoning which says that there cannot be prophecy because the bible is finished hold up under scrutiny? Every belief we have has an end result, every single one. If we believe that the bible is the final, finished and complete revelation of God, then we also believe that it contains all of the knowledge of God, along with every word He has spoken. For the belief says that there is no prophecy, because the bible is finished.

And yet, even in scripture we see that if all the words of Jesus, and all of His deeds, were written down, that there would not be enough room in the whole world to contain them. Do you see the problem? Each belief we have must be examined in the light of God's wisdom to see the end of that belief.

I once believed that I was saved because Jesus had died and rose again on my behalf. And while it is true that He did give Himself for me, that alone did not save me. For while I believed in His forgiveness, I did not draw near to Him with a sincere heart, to see sand know Him. I did just as the children of Israel did, and hardened my heart towards God, claiming His salvation while holding myself out of His light. And who could deliver me from my own lies? God did. It was not pretty.

If all that we know of God is what we read, and if all that we have of Him is knowledge gained by study and teaching; then we do not know God. And if we do not know God, we have believed in vain, and the sacrifice that Jesus made in order to purchase us from slavery has done us no good.

Tell us how to hear from God RABBI.

No, all knowledge of God is not in the bible. And all of His words are not contained therein. For God has not lost His mouth, and He has not stopped talking. We have stopped listening. And just as God judged those who hardened their hearts towards His voice, so He will judge us for the same thing, because He does not change, ever; else He is not God.

Stop using the warning to the HEBREWS please Rabbi.

If you, a great teacher of israel had known what that Letter means, you would not be using it against JUSTIFIED Christians.

You are not a prophet speaking for God: the Apostolic gifts ceased at the and of the Apostlic era.

I know that's a bitter pill for some.

 

[Rosewater]

I did not draw near to Him with a sincere heart, to see sand know Him.

If you don't mind me asking, what did you do or how did it happen you drew near Him with a sincere heart. How did you make your heart sincere? Or did God give you the grace of faith, was it from God to make you sincere?

 

[shroom2]

VW, the more you try and justify yourself, the less authentic you appear. You are saying things that contradict what the Bible says.

 

[Red33]

There is an erroneous belief that every word of God is contained in the bible. What, you do not believe this? Then how can the reasoning which says that there cannot be prophecy because the bible is finished hold up under scrutiny? Every belief we have has an end result, every single one. If we believe that the bible is the final, finished and complete revelation of God, then we also believe that it contains all of the knowledge of God, along with every word He has spoken. For the belief says that there is no prophecy, because the bible is finished.

And yet, even in scripture we see that if all the words of Jesus, and all of His deeds, were written down, that there would not be enough room in the whole world to contain them. Do you see the problem? Each belief we have must be examined in the light of God's wisdom to see the end of that belief.

I once believed that I was saved because Jesus had died and rose again on my behalf. And while it is true that He did give Himself for me, that alone did not save me. For while I believed in His forgiveness, I did not draw near to Him with a sincere heart, to see sand know Him. I did just as the children of Israel did, and hardened my heart towards God, claiming His salvation while holding myself out of His light. And who could deliver me from my own lies? God did. It was not pretty.

If all that we know of God is what we read, and if all that we have of Him is knowledge gained by study and teaching; then we do not know God. And if we do not know God, we have believed in vain, and the sacrifice that Jesus made in order to purchase us from slavery has done us no good.

No, all knowledge of God is not in the bible. And all of His words are not contained therein. For God has not lost His mouth, and He has not stopped talking. We have stopped listening. And just as God judged those who hardened their hearts towards His voice, so He will judge us for the same thing, because He does not change, ever; else He is not God.

And just exactly what can you contribute to the scriptures that God has not spoken yet that would not add to what already is written in the scriptures which is prohibited to do in the OT in (Prov 30:6) and in the NT book of Revelations in (Rev 22:18)?

If you add to God's words (the scriptures) then you will be reproved and found to be a liar.

Do you understand what (Prov 30:5) is saying to you and me any every man that has ever lived? Do you take that seriously or are you going to fool around and play games with your gift and say that you have knowledge that is not in the Bible or even goes beyond what is written, the scriptures or God's measuring rod.

 

[livingbygrace]

are you going to fool around and play games with your gift and say that you have knowledge that is not in the Bible or even goes beyond what is written, [/SIZE]

Are you serious with this accusation?

You believe no-one should go beyond what is written?

Does that mean EVERYONE Red?

Or are you alone exempt?

 

[VW]

If you don't mind me asking, what did you do or how did it happen you drew near Him with a sincere heart. How did you make your heart sincere? Or did God give you the grace of faith, was it from God to make you sincere?

He opened my eyes in a vision, showing me my life as what I called a believer, as He saw it. It was not pretty.

He then showed me Jesus on the cross. This was my fault, that He had to be there. But even more, I was not able to stay crucified with Him. I had and have the tendency to walk after the flesh, the old life, unless God keeps me.

And then He showed me His love.

There are no words to explain after that.

In Christ,
vic

 

[VW]

VW, the more you try and justify yourself, the less authentic you appear. You are saying things that contradict what the Bible says.

Have I really?

Maybe it contradicts your understanding of scripture.

 

[VW]

The point of this thread is that some believe that ALL knowledge about God, every word He has ever spoken, is contained in the bible.

Do you really believe this?

Scripture itself refutes this belief.

 

[chips1024]

I believe the Bible is the word of God and contains all that you would need to be saved and get to where He needs you to be. It is true that as you read, you do in turn grow closer to God and your faith increases, yet it is by the word that your faith is increased ('faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God').
Beyond that, I do believe that God still speaks today. we are told that we will hear a voice saying "this the way, walk ye in it" (Isaiah 30:21) so we know that we all can be led by Him. However, if God had left out any crucial information that only those who got close to Him would be able to hear, then it provides a huge barrier and an unfair situation for those who are not so close yet...
So I'm sure we all can honestly say that ALL that God has said cannot be in the Bible (would not fit into a book etc etc) but we can be sure that He has provided us with all that we need... and thats the important bit i feel...

 

[VW]

I believe the Bible is the word of God and contains all that you would need to be saved and get to where He needs you to be. It is true that as you read, you do in turn grow closer to God and your faith increases, yet it is by the word that your faith is increased ('faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God').
Beyond that, I do believe that God still speaks today. we are told that we will hear a voice saying "this the way, walk ye in it" (Isaiah 30:21) so we know that we all can be led by Him. However, if God had left out any crucial information that only those who got close to Him would be able to hear, then it provides a huge barrier and an unfair situation for those who are not so close yet...
So I'm sure we all can honestly say that ALL that God has said cannot be in the Bible (would not fit into a book etc etc) but we can be sure that He has provided us with all that we need... and thats the important bit i feel...

I believe that we should trust God, who is the Holy Spirit, as being all that we need.

 

[chips1024]

I believe that we should trust God, who is the Holy Spirit, as being all that we need.

I'm afraid its not that simple... "To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." (Isaiah 8:20) this means that if it does not agree with what is said in the Bible, it cannot be right. regardless of whether the person claims to be led by the Spirit or not... it is to the Bible alone that we can know what is truth and what is not... If a person appeared and claimed to be a prophet, the only way to verify if they are true is if they speak according to the word. If they contradict it in any way, then there is no light in them...
You are right that we need the Spirit, He was sent to us to help us along the way and to help us understand the word... all things point back to the word however...

 

[Red33]

Are you serious with this accusation?

You believe no-one should go beyond what is written?

Does that mean EVERYONE Red?

Or are you alone exempt?

STOP MEDDLING or I will have to bring you before the Sanhedrin to be tarred and feathered.

 

[AnandaHya]

There is an erroneous belief that every word of God is contained in the bible. What, you do not believe this? Then how can the reasoning which says that there cannot be prophecy because the bible is finished hold up under scrutiny? Every belief we have has an end result, every single one. If we believe that the bible is the final, finished and complete revelation of God, then we also believe that it contains all of the knowledge of God, along with every word He has spoken. For the belief says that there is no prophecy, because the bible is finished.

And yet, even in scripture we see that if all the words of Jesus, and all of His deeds, were written down, that there would not be enough room in the whole world to contain them. Do you see the problem? Each belief we have must be examined in the light of God's wisdom to see the end of that belief.

I once believed that I was saved because Jesus had died and rose again on my behalf. And while it is true that He did give Himself for me, that alone did not save me. For while I believed in His forgiveness, I did not draw near to Him with a sincere heart, to see sand know Him. I did just as the children of Israel did, and hardened my heart towards God, claiming His salvation while holding myself out of His light. And who could deliver me from my own lies? God did. It was not pretty.

If all that we know of God is what we read, and if all that we have of Him is knowledge gained by study and teaching; then we do not know God. And if we do not know God, we have believed in vain, and the sacrifice that Jesus made in order to purchase us from slavery has done us no good.

No, all knowledge of God is not in the bible. And all of His words are not contained therein. For God has not lost His mouth, and He has not stopped talking. We have stopped listening. And just as God judged those who hardened their hearts towards His voice, so He will judge us for the same thing, because He does not change, ever; else He is not God.

WOOOOWWWW WHAT!!! hey VW I've got BIG issues with this. SORRY BUT WHAT WHAT!!!!

God gave us the HOLY BIBLE as a COMPLETE WORK. because it does not contain all His knowledge but has all the knowledge we need to LIVE and ABIDE and cut through LIES of this world.

It contains our guidelines. God reveals things to the world but I was thinking in terms of science, medicine, mathematics, etc. God has shown what is needed for salvation.

His prophets of today speak of how to LIVE and FUNCTION in this world ACCORDING to HIS HOLY WORD THE BIBLE.

yeah, i see we have VERY differing view points on this unless I misread your statement.

the BIBLE is KEY and PERFECT KNOWLEDGE of GOD and HIS WILL on HOW to live our LIVES.

Prophecy reveals how SIN and EVIL has corrupted God's perfect vision and shows people how to get back right with God THROUGH HIS HOLY WORD: the BIBLE.

wow. gotta go now. blessings of God be with the people of God.

 

[livingbygrace]

STOP MEDDLING or I will have to bring you before the Sanhedrin to be tarred and feathered.

I appreciate that the above comment is kinder than many you have made concerning me, well done! A step in the right direction if I may say

 

[NerdGirl]

The Bible is an interesting story book that is more fabrication than fact, more lies than literal, more stories made up by homophobic, sexist men than things that Jesus said or that God meant to be said

 

[NerdGirl]

It's a book from lots of sources. Some bits are inspired and other are prejudiced. Some bits are accurate history and other bits are myth or deliberate exaggeration or made up. Some bits were written down hundreds of years after the events they describe so can't help being inaccurate. You have to use your own judgment. It's interesting in the same way that the books of the Romans or Egyptians or Babylonians are interesting - but I wouldn't use any of them to tell me how to live.

 

[Rosewater]

Thank you for answering my question, VW.

 

[angelos]

so VW what is your interpretation of Jude 3 would you say that it just isn't all in the Bible? Also I think some people are of the impression that you said not all scripture is from God rather than that not all of God's words are in scripture. could you clarify what you mean? do you think all scripture is God breathed or were you saying it isn't or something else?