Generalization

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A question of interest to all the psychologists and philosophers among us.
How would you explain what a generalization is?
 

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How would you explain what a generalization is to someone who was unfamiliar with the idea, beyond merely offering them the standard lexical definition.
 

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I look at generalization as labeling a whole group of people as the same for what a few of them behave like.

Which there is not any evidence they all act like that.

Which this would be something like ethnic group, or nation, or gender, and things like that, for you cannot say they all act the same way.

Usually people generalize in a negative way when they are mad at a few so they blame them all that they act that way.

Or they are being self exalting and want to make up things about them, or believe lies, so they can say they are better.

Black people generalize when they say all white people are racist which they do in an arrogant fashion to exalt themselves.

With the attitude sure some of us black people are racist for they cannot escape that fact, but not all of us, but all white people are racist therefore we are better.

But they did a survey in 2013 and all the ethnic groups said they thought the black people were the most racist including the black people.

Women generalize when they say all men are cheaters with the attitude sure some women cheat, but not all of us, but all men are cheaters, so we are better.

People are more exalting today than years ago so you will see more generalization about people.

The Woke movement generalizes when they say all Republicans are toxic, and bad, and oppressive, which the Democrat party uses them as a combatant weapon against the Republicans, which the Woke movement includes fat people who say that people who take their health seriously, and exercise, and eat properly, are arrogant, and think they are better shaming the fat people.

Which that is what Planet Fitness is about with the no judgment zone, and lunk alert, and catering to people who half butt work out, and feeding them pizza, and bagels.

You can generalize on some things but not on ethnic group, gender, or nation, for they do not all act the same.

But many people try to generalize on those things in a negative manner that applies to all, and it is arrogance so they can say we are better.

Some black people generalize and believe all white people are born evil so they are the worse ethnic group which they will act accordingly because they are born that way.

But if that were true then that would reflect in society but it does not.

It reflects that black people have the worse behavior in society, and have the highest crime rate according to their percentage of people.

At a pee wee football game there was a white man fighting, and black people will say oh those silly white people, who does he think he is Alexander the Great.

But at another pee wee football game there was a bunch of black people fighting, and the coach got shot and died.

The ethnic groups point their fingers at other ethnic groups pointing out faults, and bad behavior, all the while there own ethnic group has people that act that way.

And that is because arrogance does not care if it has faults, and does not care about truth, or facts, but it wants to belittle, and dog out.

There is a lot of generalization today than years ago because people are more arrogant, and self exalting, for that is how America operates, especially after the 1960's counter culture movement.
 

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A question of interest to all the psychologists and philosophers among us.
How would you explain what a generalization is?
Personally, I, because of personal experiences, almost immediately, if not immediately, view generalizations as something extremely negative. Basically, synonymous with stereotypes, which I loathed because I have wrongly been stereotyped countless times in my life. Everyone ought to be judged based upon who they actually are and/or their actions, and not based upon who others are or what others have done. I always try to deal with people as individuals, and I appreciate it when others do the same with me.
 

oldhermit

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I certainly understand the negative aspects of agenda driven generalizations. I was thinking more of the practical application of generalization, for example: It's a generalization to say that all dogs chase squirrels. It is a generalization to say that all chickens are birds. All chickens are galliformes --- therefore, all birds are galliformes. Clearly, these generaliztions do not hold true. All galliformes are indeed birds but all birds are not galliformes.
 

oldhermit

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There seems to be a glaring difference between a common generalization and a biblical generalization.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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There seems to be a glaring difference between a common generalization and a biblical generalization.
Such as "all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"?

There does seem to be at least one biblical generalization that is seemingly not true.

I am referring to this:

Hebrews 9:27

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"

Unless I am mistaken, those Christians who are yet alive at Christ's return will not die, but rather be changed.
 
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Personally, I, because of personal experiences, almost immediately, if not immediately, view generalizations as something extremely negative. Basically, synonymous with stereotypes, which I loathed because I have wrongly been stereotyped countless times in my life. Everyone ought to be judged based upon who they actually are and/or their actions, and not based upon who others are or what others have done. I always try to deal with people as individuals, and I appreciate it when others do the same with me.
Not all generalizations are negative. There are many that a quite positive. Its just that we humans tune into the negative.
A few positive ones for ya, Canadians tend to be friendly, Asian children tend to be good students. Mutt dogs are often very loyal, suburban and rural nieghborhoods tend to be quiet, jeeps are reliable vehicles. Country Moms are good at cooking, the list can go on endlessly.
I deal with individual people as individuals and groups as groups. Its safe to say that groups have cultural characteristics, you just cant be overly specific when dealing with groups. And dont let group identity define an individual.
 

oldhermit

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I would certainly not suggest that this is a false generalization. This is presenting a general principle that all men die. The fact that those who are alive and in Christ are changed at the coming of Christ does not overturn this general principle. By the same token, the fact that Enoch did not see death but was simply taken by the Lord does not negate this general principle.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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Not all generalizations are negative. There are many that a quite positive. Its just that we humans tune into the negative.
A few positive ones for ya, Canadians tend to be friendly, Asian children tend to be good students. Mutt dogs are often very loyal, suburban and rural nieghborhoods tend to be quiet, jeeps are reliable vehicles. Country Moms are good at cooking, the list can go on endlessly.
I deal with individual people as individuals and groups as groups. Its safe to say that groups have cultural characteristics, you just cant be overly specific when dealing with groups. And dont let group identity define an individual.
I hear you, and what you said is true. I was not trying to say that all generalizations are negative. However, in my own experience, I think that I could honestly say that pretty much every generalization that I have been grouped together with was both negative and false.

For example, as a Caucasian Christian man, I have repeatedly been immediately misdiagnosed as being such things as a racist, a misogynist, and a homophobe. Anyway, it is really no big deal except in that it ruins a lot of potential relationships before they ever get a chance to develop. Sometimes, my sparkling personality wins them over despite the initial stereotypes. :p
 

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A question of interest to all the psychologists and philosophers among us. How would you explain what a generalization is?
A generalization would be a conclusion drawn from a single or a few sources to apply to all or many. It may or may not be valid, since all generalizations are not necessarily incorrect. For example "All Leftist ideologies are godless" is a valid generalization, but "All good boxers are black" is probably not.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I was not trying to say that all generalizations are
You were generalizing?
For example, as a Caucasian Christian man, I have repeatedly been immediately misdiagnosed as being such things as a racist, a misogynist, and a homophobe. Anyway, it is really no big deal except in that it ruins a lot of potential relationships before they ever get a chance to develop.
I personally wouldnt want to be friends with such folks that would use those epithets without knowing a person. Theu are of general low character.
 

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A generalization would be a conclusion drawn from a single or a few sources to apply to all or many. It may or may not be valid, since all generalizations are not necessarily incorrect. For example "All Leftist ideologies are godless" is a valid generalization, but "All good boxers are black" is probably not.
That is true. I was thinking how a negative view of common generalization would impact one's understanding of biblical generalization.

It seems correct to say that common generalizations do not typically hold true across the board in all instances.

Basically, “a generalization is a general statement or concept obtained by inference from specific cases:”

Biblical generalization is an indirect parallel deduction that expresses a UNIVERSAL, ETERNAL TRUTH that holds true across the board in all cases and across the entire body of scripture. These are eternal truths obtained from ideas not specifically expressed in the language of the text but are none-the-less true.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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You were generalizing?
lol.
I personally wouldnt want to be friends with such folks that would use those epithets without knowing a person. Theu are of general low character.
Normally, I would not seek such friendships either, but, for the gospel's sake, I am always looking for an inroad into people's lives.

Sad to say, we live in a society where people are conditioned to stereotype from their youth. I have witnessed this more times that I care to remember. It is scary to see how easily people are conditioned to hate one another.
 
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Paul believed to some degree that cretans (people from crete), were/are liars. That was a negative generalization but i wouldnt say he was in sin.
 

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A question of interest to all the psychologists and philosophers among us.
How would you explain what a generalization is?
a generalization is any common sense, normally accepted, normally thought of or experienced, bit of information associated with understanding, knowledge & wisdom applied or not applied to thought, speaking or action that is accepted by society all over the world.
 

oldhermit

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Paul believed to some degree that cretans (people from crete), were/are liars. That was a negative generalization but i wouldnt say he was in sin.
Actually, Paul admits that he was quoting from a Creatian who made this observation about his own people.
“Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This was not an exaggeration of the Cretan culture of the time. This was a succinct and quite accurate commentary on the character of Cretan society. The source Paul quotes was Epimenides, of Knossos, in Crete who lived between 500 and 600 B.C. This testimony was not from some outside source. This testimony was a self-indictment from one of their own. As a society, Cretans were practiced in the art of lies and deception, and Paul confirms this to be a true statement. He likens them to “wild beasts” who gorge themselves on their prey. Ellicott points out that the term (kra tid zean), which means to talk like a Cretan, came to be a proverb for lying and deceit in the same way that (korinthiadzine), which means to live like a Corinthian, referred to one who lived in luxury and debauchery. This was the atmosphere in which Titus was having to work. This was the culture within which the Church at Crete struggled. Apparently, the Cretan culture was having its effect on the Church as were the Jewish influences. The Church was being assailed from every side.
 

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I believe the "change" at the resurrection may be seen as including a form of death - the 'old' body [still] "dies"...

One way or another, everyone dies before the Judgment.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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I believe the "change" at the resurrection may be seen as including a form of death - the 'old' body [still] "dies"...

One way or another, everyone dies before the Judgment.
Perhaps. I have considered that possibility, and that is why I used the word "seemingly" in my post. At the same time, however, Paul did say that we shall not all sleep or die.
 

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Paul believed to some degree that cretans (people from crete), were/are liars. That was a negative generalization but i wouldnt say he was in sin.
If I may...

Background:

Paul left Titus to Crete to "...set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you..."

Paul's account of people in Crete is

"For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain.


He continues:

12 One of them, (one of who: one of the insubordinate) a prophet of their own, said, (So, this prophet said something. What did he say...?) “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” 13 This testimony is true. (What testimony? The testimony that even a prophet of their own calls Cretan liars, evil beasts, and lazy gluttons.) Therefore rebuke them (Who is "them"? The insubordinate, idle talkers and deceivers) sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, 14 not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth.

The Jewish fable is "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons".

The problem was, a Cretan who claimed to be a prophet was spreading Jewish fables. So, he instructed Titus to "set in order the things that are lacking."

So no, Paul was not a racist nor did he generalize about the Cretans.