prophetic? or non-prophetic?

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Some people think that prophetic church's aren't real church's they believe these people are crazy belivers or it's the devil dressed in white. Many other people believe their are some prophetic church's out there but the rest our misleading people or that church is crazy.

prophetic church's believe God is speeking to people and through people they believe there are modern day prophets and apostles in the world
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i want to ask you what do you think of this, you as a believer have you experienced being in a prophetic church or a modern day prophet?
My church is Prophetic most stuff that goes on in there is real and i seen prophecies done before in there. YEs i believe but i go to a prophetic church i want to see what other think. But i have to admit some stuff i seen on tv and other places about this topic :(are false.
 
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I'm confused. What does this have to do with singleness?
 
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alien said:
Some people think that prophetic church's aren't real church's they believe these people are crazy belivers or it's the devil dressed in white. Many other people believe their are some prophetic church's out there but the rest our misleading people or that church is crazy.



i want to ask you what do you think of this, you as a believer have you experienced being in a prophetic church or a modern day prophet?
My church is Prophetic most stuff that goes on in there is real and i seen prophecies done before in there. YEs i believe but i go to a prophetic church i want to see what other think. But i have to admit some stuff i seen on tv and other places about this topic :(are false.
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If you mean prophets as preachers/forthtellers yes, if you mean prophets as foretellers, no. Nor are there any apostles today.
 
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I very much so believe in a Prophetic church. The church I got plugged into by chance last year was one, and the church I attend now is one. I mean I don't see how churches can't believe in being Prophetic, it's in the Bible. Some of us are anointed to be prophets, and we should be able to use that gift freely in church. And yes, I understand about the tv situation. There are tel-evangelist that proclaimed to be prophets and been found out to be fakes. And I'm sure there still are ones that claim to, and are fakes. We as Christians just need to trust our gut.
 
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I think churches that trumpet their propheticness might be doing it for bragging rights. There is a certain market share of Christianity that buys in to this stuff, so if they label themselves as prophetic, they'll get those interested in the latest wind and wave of sensationalistic teachings.

To me a true prophetic church is one that simply teaches the bible properly.

If a prophecy is given folks always say, well measure it against the Bible to make sure it's right!! My solution? Just preach out of the Bible then you'll KNOW FOR SURE it's always right.
 
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Very well said Stilly...Amen! I think the problem these days, is alot of people take everything they hear preached to them 'as gospel'... and don't bother to have the discernment to check it out for themselves, and it's vital we do this!
 
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I believe in prophets and apostles. I am pentecostal Church of God.
 
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iraasuup said:
Very well said Stilly...Amen! I think the problem these days, is alot of people take everything they hear preached to them 'as gospel'... and don't bother to have the discernment to check it out for themselves, and it's vital we do this!
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There's no doubt that people don't use discernment. But the same chapter that gives us the gift of discernment also gives us prophecy.
 
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1still_waters

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There's no doubt that people don't use discernment. But the same chapter that gives us the gift of discernment also gives us prophecy.
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The same Bible that talks about prophecy is also the Bible. :p

I figure if ya know the Bible and what it says, you're safe either way.

Maybe God has to use prophecy so much cuz folks don't know their Bibles?
 
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The same Bible that talks about prophecy is also the Bible. :p

I figure if ya know the Bible and what it says, you're safe either way.

Maybe God has to use prophecy so much cuz folks don't know their Bibles?
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To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

You can take it all or nothing. No in between.
 
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To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

You can take it all or nothing. No in between.
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Yeah and the Corinthian church was one of the most spiritually immature churches at the time, hence there might of been a reason God was yackin at em so much. If they knew the word backward and forward, maybe God wouldn't have to be yackin in their ears so much.
 
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Yeah and the Corinthian church was one of the most spiritually immature churches at the time, hence there might of been a reason God was yackin at em so much. If they knew the word backward and forward, maybe God wouldn't have to be yackin in their ears so much.
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Well, I can't understand your point so before either of us gets mad maybe we should just end this.
 
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I think churches that trumpet their propheticness might be doing it for bragging rights. There is a certain market share of Christianity that buys in to this stuff, so if they label themselves as prophetic, they'll get those interested in the latest wind and wave of sensationalistic teachings.

To me a true prophetic church is one that simply teaches the bible properly.

If a prophecy is given folks always say, well measure it against the Bible to make sure it's right!! My solution? Just preach out of the Bible then you'll KNOW FOR SURE it's always right.
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I agree with you!

You must be careful not of the Holy Spirit, but of those that glorify the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit the word says always glorifies Jesus, not Himself, the focus is Jesus.

When the Holy Spirit fell in the book of Acts it was always after Jesus was shared and faith was in action.

Faith did not come from hearing about the Holy Spirit, it came with hearing the word about Jesus!

Be careful Jezebel took over the worship and killed the prophets. 1kings

Some churches can talk a good talk and put on a good show, but when it gets down to it, the truth will be revealed.

As far as prophets in the church, the bible list the five fold ministries of the church.
They are still the same today, but they like many other things in churches are all mixed up!
 
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I have no choice but to believe seeing God called me as a prophet. Yet there is a difference in a prophetic church and a prophcey. A prophetic church should believe in the movement of the Holy Spirit and allow Him to move as He is directed by the Father. Many people misunderstand the gift of prophecy as Paul stated that it is better for the whole church to prophesy. The gift is to be in every church and every believer. but the office f a prophet is few people chosen to tell of things to come as well as to be shown into ones life.
 
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Joel 2:28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:Joe 2:29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.Joe 2:30And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.Joe 2:31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.Joe 2:32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.


Ac 2:15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.Ac 2:16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;Ac 2:17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:Ac 2:18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:Ac 2:19And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:Ac 2:20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:Ac 2:21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
I will let the Bible speak for itself on this one , but don't tell me the prophecy of Joel was fulfilled at pentcoste, for when did the sun darken and the moon turn to blood
 
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Just preach out of the Bible then you'll KNOW FOR SURE it's always right.
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ha, not sure about that. Use the wrong bible version , or you won't know for sure it's right unless you have the right interpretation.I remember once when a guy believed only few would be saved, literally. 6 people max, he was one of them. He took the bible literally, perhaps too literally.
 
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Some people who consistently predict the future may be considered prophets. Or they could be psychic ha. Who knows. Prophets and apostles still exist today. But they may be called pastors or missionaries. Apostles are simply missionaries called to plant churches. If Prophets and apostles don't exist today then we have only half a church, or 1/5 of a church if all you have is pastors. That means it's a deficient church no wonder the church isn't growing but stagnant or people going elsewhere. Every part of the body is needed, as long as the church needs encouraging and pointing int he right direction, we need prophets, as long the church is evangelising and planting new churches in unreached areas, we need apostles. We don't just need pastors and evangelists, that's only 2 of the 5 functions in the body. Wheres the apostle and prophet.
 
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It's fine to say something like "the bible is all we need", we have the bible, so we don't need prophesy. That's probably true, but look at them, look at the churches that don't live by prophecy. Decisions are made by majority vote of councils, using man's knowledge and wisdom. Many are in debt, and are forced to ask for donations on the street like beggars or conduct raffles or other fund raising events. Sunday schools close, youth groups close. How many of them actually consult God's will on a matter. Should they really have closed the Sunday school because they couldn't afford it, or perhaps it was God's will to keep the Sunday school going, but rather cut costs in other ways, like turning off the unnecessary airconditioning or something. Some get the wrong pastor, and he or she ends up leading them astray. Or they are so set in their ways that the church is the same now as it was 20 years ago. Same programs, same routine, same results. If only they had consulted God's will there situation might be very different. Where are the churches praying and fasting and drawing straws? The lack of personal direction and prophesy in churches opens the way for people like Rick Warren and his purpose driven church to gain foothold.

It's fine to say "see what the bible says", but that doesn't cover every situation, and it is still very much open to personal interpretation. For example, should the church take out a loan from a bank?, should it move to another building?, should it hire this youth pastor or another youth pastor. The bible can't answer those questions usually. Sometimes specific direction from God is required and this can come via prophecy. Whether a known prophet in the congregation or if God reveals the answer to the pastor himself, perhaps the pastor is a prophet or functions in prophecy himself.
 
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