Under a new covenant

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There is one covenant that brings salvation. The covenant is the New Covenant with his people Israel; and gentiles are "grafted in" to the same. Jesus alone fulfilled the old covenant; and it's promises belong to him and whoever he shares them with.

We are said not to be "under the law", in Christ; but that does NOT mean "lawlessness". It means we're not under the OT law and it's curses. "there is no law but love"- but that's love as defined by God and not by man. Apostolic doctrine shows the way, not our feelings.
what covenant where the saints under who got resurrected by Jesus 🤔.
 

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what covenant where the saints under who got resurrected by Jesus 🤔.
In Matthew?

It doesn't say "resurrected" per se. They came out of their tombs, yes- brought back to life- yes; but it doesn't say they were glorified etc. Which is really what resurrection is- it's not just coming back to life; it's becoming a new thing.

They were old covenant saints.
 
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In Matthew?

It doesn't say "resurrected" per se. They came out of their tombs, yes- brought back to life- yes; but it doesn't say they were glorified etc. Which is really what resurrection is- it's not just coming back to life; it's becoming a new thing.

They were old covenant saints.
I'm sure it's says somewhere they where resurrected,

Is it possible the saints where hebrews 😊

So when we say the covenant of Abraham should we not be saying the Hebrew covenant
 

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So when we say the covenant of Abraham should we not be saying the Hebrew covenant
Yes; that would be more accurate- but the New Covenant is only "hebrew covenant"/"Abrahamic covenant" available today. Nobody can rightly claim to be saved under any previous covenant without Christ- because those belong to Jesus.
 
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God’s law is not His instructions for how to be under the rule of Satan, but just the opposite.
Of course,God's fairness and justice have never been an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
 
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Yes; that would be more accurate- but the New Covenant is only "hebrew covenant"/"Abrahamic covenant" available today. Nobody can rightly claim to be saved under any previous covenant without Christ- because those belong to Jesus.
Both the New Testament and the Old Testament guide and lead mankind to life.It's just that the Old Testament is aimed at the Israelites, and the New Testament is aimed at the Gentiles and all (including Israelites).
 

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Of course,God's fairness and justice have never been an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
Rather, it has always been and will always be that. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that justice, mercy, and faithfulness are weightier matters of the Mosaic Law, includes an eye for an eye. Jesus said judge not lest you be judged for the measure that you use will be used against you, so again measure for measure justice.
 
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Rather, it has always been and will always be that. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that justice, mercy, and faithfulness are weightier matters of the Mosaic Law, includes an eye for an eye. Jesus said judge not lest you be judged for the measure that you use will be used against you, so again measure for measure justice.
I think there is a mistake in your understanding here.We can't say that good is evil and evil is good.
What Jesus said was not an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth as justice.
What he means is that we have no right to judge others,Because our measurement is unfair and injustice.
You really shouldn't get entangled in Satan's logic.
 

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I think there is a mistake in your understanding here.We can't say that good is evil and evil is good.
What Jesus said was not an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth as justice.
What he means is that we have no right to judge others,Because our measurement is unfair and injustice.
You really shouldn't get entangled in Satan's logic.
Jesus said that the measure that we use will be used against us. Do you think that what he said is true or false?
 
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Jesus said that the measure that we use will be used against us. Do you think that what he said is true or false?
If you think an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth Represent justice, Then I think Jesus meant what he said and serious:sneaky:
 
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Yes; that would be more accurate- but the New Covenant is only "hebrew covenant"/"Abrahamic covenant" available today. Nobody can rightly claim to be saved under any previous covenant without Christ- because those belong to Jesus.
I believe Christ came to Abraham in the form of melchisadeck 😊
 

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Rather, it has always been and will always be that. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that justice, mercy, and faithfulness are weightier matters of the Mosaic Law, includes an eye for an eye. Jesus said judge not lest you be judged for the measure that you use will be used against you, so again measure for measure justice.
this is false here is what Jesus said ( verses below) about an eye for an eye; you are entangled in the old mosaic law that is no longer valid and cannot be valid today as you know very well you just refuse to see it.

Mat 5:38 You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’
Mat 5:39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also;
Mat 5:40 if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well;
Mat 5:41 and if someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
Mat 5:42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
 

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I believe Christ came to Abraham in the form of melchisadeck 😊
Melchizedek was recognized as a man, as the King of Salem, we do not have enough details to conclude it was Christ.
 
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Melchizedek was recognized as a man, as the King of Salem, we do not have enough details to conclude it was Christ.
it's also believed he preached to the Canaanites, well it just so turns out that the language the Canaanites spoke was Hebrew 😊

And it's also thought that in those days the only language of Egypt will be the language of the Canaanites who will follow the lords armies. And 4 nations in Egypt will follow the lords one won't. I wonder if they already exist

Apparently there's over 5000 lessons a weeks in Egypt for Egyptians learning Hebrew 😊
 

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this is false here is what Jesus said ( verses below) about an eye for an eye; you are entangled in the old mosaic law that is no longer valid and cannot be valid today as you know very well you just refuse to see it.
God’s nature eternal, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to act in accordance with His nature are eternally valid and the only way that those institutions can be abolished is by first abolishing God. This is why the Bible says that all of God’s righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160).

Mat 5:38 You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’
Mat 5:39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also;
Mat 5:40 if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well;
Mat 5:41 and if someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
Mat 5:42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
In Matthew 4, Jesus consistently preceded a quote from what was written by saying “it is written…”, but in Matthew 5, he consistently preceded a quote from what the people had heard being said by saying “you have heard that it was said…”, so his emphasis on the different form of communication is important. Jesus was not sinning in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 and acting as a false prophet in violation of Deuteronomy 13:1-5 by making changes to what was written, but rather he was fulling the law by correcting what was wrongly being taught and by teaching how to correctly obey it as it was originally intended. An eye for an eye is still a good guideline for judges to help ensure fair sentencing, but it was not intended to be used in personal situations to justify taking vengeance into our own hands, rather in those situations we are instructed not to repay in kind (Proverbs 20:22, 24:29).
 

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God’s nature eternal, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to act in accordance with His nature are eternally valid and the only way that those institutions can be abolished is by first abolishing God. This is why the Bible says that all of God’s righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160).


In Matthew 4, Jesus consistently preceded a quote from what was written by saying “it is written…”, but in Matthew 5, he consistently preceded a quote from what the people had heard being said by saying “you have heard that it was said…”, so his emphasis on the different form of communication is important. Jesus was not sinning in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 and acting as a false prophet in violation of Deuteronomy 13:1-5 by making changes to what was written, but rather he was fulling the law by correcting what was wrongly being taught and by teaching how to correctly obey it as it was originally intended. An eye for an eye is still a good guideline for judges to help ensure fair sentencing, but it was not intended to be used in personal situations to justify taking vengeance into our own hands, rather in those situations we are instructed not to repay in kind (Proverbs 20:22, 24:29).
You still do not know the difference between the law of Moses and the 10 commandments;

Deu 31:26 “Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, so that it may remain there as a witness against you.

Deu 31:16 And the LORD said to Moses, “You will soon rest with your fathers, and these people will rise up and prostitute themselves with the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake Me and break the covenant I have made with them.

Deu 31:17 On that day My anger will burn against them, and I will abandon them and hide My face from them, so that they will be consumed, and many troubles and afflictions will befall them. On that day they will say, ‘Have not these disasters come upon us because our God is no longer with us?’

Deu 31:18 And on that day I will surely hide My face because of all the evil they have done by turning to other gods.

This is why the law of Moses was added to the 10 commandments.
 
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it's also believed he preached to the Canaanites, well it just so turns out that the language the Canaanites spoke was Hebrew 😊

And it's also thought that in those days the only language of Egypt will be the language of the Canaanites who will follow the lords armies. And 4 nations in Egypt will follow the lords one won't. I wonder if they already exist

Apparently there's over 5000 lessons a weeks in Egypt for Egyptians learning Hebrew 😊
it's quite a massive prophecy this, that the Canaanites will follow the lord, I mean, in fact four or five nations of them, as its not clear who the nation of the city of the sun is.

But anyhoo I was wondering shouldn't we be loving our enemy 😃

Seeing as many people think there Isreal
 

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You still do not know the difference between the law of Moses and the 10 commandments;

Deu 31:26 “Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, so that it may remain there as a witness against you.

Deu 31:16 And the LORD said to Moses, “You will soon rest with your fathers, and these people will rise up and prostitute themselves with the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake Me and break the covenant I have made with them.

Deu 31:17 On that day My anger will burn against them, and I will abandon them and hide My face from them, so that they will be consumed, and many troubles and afflictions will befall them. On that day they will say, ‘Have not these disasters come upon us because our God is no longer with us?’

Deu 31:18 And on that day I will surely hide My face because of all the evil they have done by turning to other gods.

This is why the law of Moses was added to the 10 commandments.
The Law of Moses refers to all of the 613 laws that God gave to Israel through Moses as a mediator, which includes the Ten Commandments. I not sure what the verses that you quoted have to do with my last post.
 

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The Law of Moses refers to all of the 613 laws that God gave to Israel through Moses as a mediator, which includes the Ten Commandments. I not sure what the verses that you quoted have to do with my last post.
Do you acknowledge that the 10 commandments were written by GOD on tablets of stone (PERMANENT RECORD) placed INSIDE the Ark of the Covenant and that the Law of Moses, written by Moses was placed Outside the ark of the covenant?

yes or no?
 
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The Law of Moses refers to all of the 613 laws that God gave to Israel through Moses as a mediator, which includes the Ten Commandments. I not sure what the verses that you quoted have to do with my last post.
Isaiah
55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.