Just finished Jeremiah

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FollowerofShiloh

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We are the seeds of Abraham by adoption so essentially yes.
I quoted my post since someone has no knowledge of what I state and Red X me

Galatians 3:29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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I quoted my post since someone has no knowledge of what I state and Red X me

Galatians 3:29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Yes, God only made a covenant with Israel and the New Covenant is still with Israel Heb 8:10- if we are one of God's people, we are part of His covenant grafted in though faith and part of the promise.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 

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Hi everyone,

Today I finished reading through Jeremiah! It's taken me much longer than my reading plan recommended!

What a devastating time that was among God's people.

I think Jesus would have known this book well and held it in his heart.

May the Spirit of peace and joy, who hovered over the dark waters before creation began, fill our hearts as we read the ancient scriptures.

What blessings do you have for me?
The prophets were often talking about Jesus and a time when the gospel would come

“and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: ( in prophecy ) whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:20-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:24‬ ‭
 

Cameron143

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Yes, God only made a covenant with Israel and the New Covenant is still with Israel Heb 8:10- if we are one of God's people, we are part of His covenant grafted in though faith and part of the promise.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The new covenant is not between God and Israel. It is between God the Father and God the Son.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Yes, God only made a covenant with Israel and the New Covenant is still with Israel Heb 8:10- if we are one of God's people, we are part of His covenant grafted in though faith and part of the promise.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
“Yes, God only made a covenant with Israel and the New Covenant is still with Israel Heb 8:10- if we are one of God's people, we are part of His covenant grafted in though faith and part of the promise.”

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: ( the new covenant ) and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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The new covenant is not between God and Israel. It is between God the Father and God the Son.
Hebrews 8:10 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

I would not want to write myself out of being in God's covenant promise- which we are grafted in through faith, not about a nationality. Gal 3:26-28
 

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Hebrews 8:10 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

I would not want to write myself out of being in God's covenant promise- which we are grafted in through faith, not about a nationality. Gal 3:26-28
Matthew 26:28...this is My testament. Notice in the passage you gave there are no stipulations given to the people. Because they are beneficiaries of the covenant and not involved in the covenant itself.
Now compare that to the old covenant. They were given stipulations. Obedience secured blessing and disobedience brought cursing.
The reason the old covenant failed was due to the frailty of man. Thus, it was always going to be replaced. The reason the new covenant cannot fail is because it is between God and God. We simply benefit with no possibility of messing it up.
 
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Matthew 26:28...this is My testament. Notice in the passage you gave there are no stipulations given to the people. Because they are beneficiaries of the covenant and not involved in the covenant itself.
Now compare that to the old covenant. They were given stipulations. Obedience secured blessing and disobedience brought cursing.
The reason the old covenant failed was due to the frailty of man. Thus, it was always going to be replaced. The reason the new covenant cannot fail is because it is between God and God. We simply benefit with no possibility of messing it up.

The scripture says its the New Covenant, Heb 8:8 which we are living in now....

There are terms of the New Covenant

Jer 31:31-34 Hebrews 8:10-12

We are given a New heart- God writes His law on our hearts
We are adopted or grafted into the family of God
God is our personal teacher
He forgives our sins- He is the High Priest and Mediator of the New Covenant Heb 9:15- instead of an animal sacrifice for sins Heb 10:26-22

31 ... I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord:
1. “I will put My law within them and write it on their heart;
2. and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
3. 34 They will not teach again, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord,
4. “for I will forgive their wrongdoing, and their sin I will no longer remember.”

It's why the New Covenant is established on better promises we just need to cooperate with God.
 
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For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second. Hebrews 8:7
Agreed, and God tells us where the fault came from, not the covenant, but the people.

Hebrews 8:8 But God found fault with the people
 

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Agreed, and God tells us where the fault came from, not the covenant, but the people.

Hebrews 8:8 But God found fault with the people
Looks like both to me... and the fault with people had been there since Adam sinned.

For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second.
 
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Looks like both to me... and the fault with people had been there since Adam sinned.

For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second.
Scripture tells us where the fault came from

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
 

Magenta

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Scripture tells us where the fault came from

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
Sure. Men are to blame. No question about that. But the first covenant was NOT without fault. If it had been,
no place would have been sought for a second covenant. It's right there in the text. Why do people deny it?
 

Cameron143

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The scripture says its the New Covenant, Heb 8:8 which we are living in now....

There are terms of the New Covenant

Jer 31:31-34 Hebrews 8:10-12

We are given a New heart- God writes His law on our hearts
We are adopted or grafted into the family of God
God is our personal teacher
He forgives our sins- He is the High Priest and Mediator of the New Covenant Heb 9:15- instead of an animal sacrifice for sins Heb 10:26-22

31 ... I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord:
1. “I will put My law within them and write it on their heart;
2. and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
3. 34 They will not teach again, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord,
4. “for I will forgive their wrongdoing, and their sin I will no longer remember.”

It's why the New Covenant is established on better promises we just need to cooperate with God.
It is based on the perfect sinless life of Christ to provide the necessary righteousness for us, and the blood sacrifice that served to satisfy God's anger. That transpired between God the Father and God the Son.
Israel had no part in securing the blessing of the covenant. Entrance into the covenant isn't by birth as in the first covenant. It is entered into by spiritual birth. There are no stipulations other than faith and even that is given. And that's because Christ already fulfilled the terms of the covenant He and the Father made.
You don't have to accept this, but you can't change it.
 

Magenta

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It is based on the perfect sinless life of Christ to provide the necessary righteousness for us, and the blood sacrifice that served to satisfy God's anger. That transpired between God the Father and God the Son.
Israel had no part in securing the blessing of the covenant. Entrance into the covenant isn't by birth as in the first covenant. It is entered into by spiritual birth. There are no stipulations other than faith and even that is given. And that's because Christ already fulfilled the terms of the covenant He and the Father made.
You don't have to accept this, but you can't change it.

John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2 If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.
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It is based on the perfect sinless life of Christ to provide the necessary righteousness for us, and the blood sacrifice that served to satisfy God's anger. That transpired between God the Father and God the Son.
Israel had no part in securing the blessing of the covenant. Entrance into the covenant isn't by birth as in the first covenant. It is entered into by spiritual birth. There are no stipulations other than faith and even that is given. And that's because Christ already fulfilled the terms of the covenant He and the Father made.
You don't have to accept this, but you can't change it.
We are adopted into the family though faith Gal 3:26-28. God’s New Covenant as the scripture shows is still made with Israel Heb 8:10 which is just a name God gave to identify His people -it is both literal and metaphorical. In the New Covenat- it’s based on faith, not nationality. Rom 9:6 Gal 3:26-28
 
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Sure. Men are to blame. No question about that. But the first covenant was NOT without fault. If it had been,
no place would have been sought for a second covenant. It's right there in the text. Why do people deny it?
I don’t deny it but the scripture said where the fault was, with the people. A covenant is just an agreement, the first covenant/agreement was faulty because of the people, because they did not continue in it. It’s what the scripture states clearly.


Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

The first agreement was based on the people doing, the New Covenant has God doing, which is why the NC is established on better promises Hen 8:6. Had the people not been at fault there would have been no need for a new covenant, This one is better because God is the one doing, we just have to cooperate.

We don’t have to agree, I’m okay with that.
 

Cameron143

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We are adopted into the family though faith Gal 3:26-28. God’s New Covenant as the scripture shows is still made with Israel Heb 8:10 which is just a name God gave to identify His people -it is both literal and metaphorical. In the New Covenat- it’s based on faith, not nationality. Rom 9:6 Gal 3:26-28
You seem to talk in circles.
Grace and peace.