"Reformed" "continuationists" and Gutless Gracers

[zone]

I would like to be the 2nd witness to this; and thank-you very much Deadflesh.

God Bless You

Forever in Christ

hi glowing.
i know you're not a pentecostal, or charismatic.

so i suppose your agreement with DF is actually about your hatred for me, and my disdain for British-Israelism.

but that's okay too.

i don't much care about that.
zone.

 

[zone]

I guess this is one of those topics that gets under some peoples collar it's a hot debate at the best of times it would seem.
I believe that the Holy Spirit works miracles every day through many people some who may not even know it. Might not be in the form of tongues but it's working yes indeed IT'S WORKING
SELAH

Muskokaman
yes He does work everyday in Christ's Church.
selah.

 

[Scotth1960]

you're funny scotty
how are you?

Me. I'm fine. I find it something I shouldn't talk about with people who use words like cult and sect in an indiscriminate, unjustified way. There's little chance of getting through to people who have closed minds. I'll stop by every now and then, and let you know what's new with me. I do need to get back to church. More than debate things. The last time I went to church they (the priest) talked about the Protoevangelion (Protoevangelium) of James.
Whenever I do get back to church, I'll let you know what the priest says. Eastern Orthodoxy is a faith for everybody, as everybody needs the truth (John 16:13), especially people who are wounded by sin, and warped by sin. We all need healing in a spiritual hospital that has the saving, proper correct medicine of the Holy Spirit Who proceeds from the Father. God bless you.

 

[zone]

Me. I'm fine. I find it something I shouldn't talk about with people who use words like cult and sect in an indiscriminate, unjustified way. There's little chance of getting through to people who have closed minds. I'll stop by every now and then, and let you know what's new with me. I do need to get back to church. More than debate things. The last time I went to church they (the priest) talked about the Protoevangelion (Protoevangelium) of James.
Whenever I do get back to church, I'll let you know what the priest says. Eastern Orthodoxy is a faith for everybody, as everybody needs the truth (John 16:13), especially people who are wounded by sin, and warped by sin. We all need healing in a spiritual hospital that has the saving, proper correct medicine of the Holy Spirit Who proceeds from the Father. God bless you.

that sounds like good news for you scotty.
you've been wanting to move forward in your church.

i'm doing the same.

looking for my
Reformed
Covenant
Amillennial
Cessationist
brothers and sisters.

i know that you hold to 2 of those things. so we do have some common ground

take care.
i look forward to hearing about your days ahead.
zone

 

[Grandpa]

zone,

As soon as you said prayer and fasting I immediately thought of the part in the bible when the disciples came back to Jesus and asked Him why they weren't able to cast out some unclean spirit. And the Lord said these only come out with Prayer and Fasting.

Spiritual things are hard to understand and hard to discern, sometimes. The bible says that even the enemy can come to us and appear as an angel of light. I've had some experiences that I am still trying to figure out. I have this book called "Impressions" by Knapp from the turn of the 20th century I think it was published in 1899 or close to that. He was trying to help people discern what sort of spirit they were dealing with.

There is one thing we can always trust and that is the Word of the Lord. Everything else must be tested, imho

God Bless You

 

[zone]

zone,

As soon as you said prayer and fasting I immediately thought of the part in the bible when the disciples came back to Jesus and asked Him why they weren't able to cast out some unclean spirit. And the Lord said these only come out with Prayer and Fasting.

Spiritual things are hard to understand and hard to discern, sometimes. The bible says that even the enemy can come to us and appear as an angel of light. I've had some experiences that I am still trying to figure out. I have this book called "Impressions" by Knapp from the turn of the 20th century I think it was published in 1899 or close to that. He was trying to help people discern what sort of spirit they were dealing with.

There is one thing we can always trust and that is the Word of the Lord. Everything else must be tested, imho

God Bless You

hi Grandpa.
you have rightly discerned exactly what The Lord did in His Mercy as He called me to prayer and fasting and interceded for me.

so, i know of what i speak. from both sides.

the studies He took me through were about the founding of the church, and the laying of that foundation one time.
no more prophets.

i'll go with the Spirit that was praying with me that night. and with what is clearly written, and what is clearly historical.
zone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"Reformed" "continuationists" and Gutless Gracers



by Dan Phillips at: PYROMANIACS

As I was mulling various things over, I hit upon a connection between two seldom-associated doctrinal groups. Perhaps in time this connection I'm making, existing at present only in my head, will prove prescient. I hope not.

On the one hand, we have "Gutless Gracers." This is a term I've used here, denoting a mindset I Biblically deal with at some length in Chapter Ten of... you know, that book. Advocates would call themselves "grace" believers; critics call them "non-Lordship" teachers, I call them "gutless gracers."

As presented by themselves, the position is that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone. So far, so great. However, it is when they go on to define saving faith in such a way as to exclude repentance and submission to Christ's Lordship that these folks run into grave error. To them, such elements involve "works-salvation," and are to be strictly rejected.

The practical result — to put it in terms they would themselves seldom own — is that a man can continue to live like Hell and still go to Heaven. As long as he voices the opinion that Jesus is the Son of God, or assents to the proposition that Jesus died to save him from sin('s penalty), he's okay with God.

Because you see the "reformed" "continuationist" does the exact same thing, in order to prop up his theory.

This guy needs to study up more. He has got it horribly wrong. One can not have faith UNLESS THEY REPENT. For without true repentance there can be no faith. This is why licentious people say a few words. but have no repentnace. They are the ones who show no works. which proves there faith was dead.

Scott you need to stop reading books of men who distort and mislead you and start reading the word of God and Ask the HS for guidance.

Friend, (Friends): Recommended reading on Calvinism, from an Eastern Orthodox perspective.
Amazon.com Alexander Renault. Reconsidering Tulip (TULIP). 10.00 lulu.com Dec. 24, 2010 ISBN -10 05579949890
"A biblical, philosophical and historical response to the Reformed doctrines of predestination. This book is an Eastern Orthodox assessment of TULIP, bringing to the table 1,500 years of theology and thinking which is usually absent in the typical Calvinist vs. Arminian debates."
God save us. Amen. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

And what does this have to do with this thread? Sometimes you don't make sense my friend.

 

[zone]

This guy needs to study up more. He has got it horribly wrong. One can not have faith UNLESS THEY REPENT. For without true repentance there can be no faith. This is why licentious people say a few words. but have no repentnace. They are the ones who show no works. which proves there faith was dead.

Scott you need to stop reading books of men who distort and mislead you and start reading the word of God and Ask the HS for guidance.

EG:
that chunk was from my post (the OP). scotty didn't post it.
you misread it.

the writer agrees with you (and anybody with a halfways reasonable grasp on what saving faith is).
he nevers says no repentence is needed.
first we repent of our unbelief concerning God, and Christ.
then we know what our sin is, and repent in sorrow over that (if we have heard the Law & Gospel properly presented).

then we are baptised, and continue daily in the scriptures and the apostle's doctrine.

salvation is by Grace through Faith alone!

the author is describing those (true antinomians) who likely answered an altar call (or love Osteenite gospels) and never heard the Law, and likely never really repented, since there is no change in their lives at all....he is attempting to show how the lack of evidence to support one's erroneous beliefs either leads to conviction, and repentence from the error or continuing in it, while lowering the bar and widening that needle gate....he's comparing two erroneous beliefs (and showing how in fact they are connected).

scotty didn't post that. (he still doesn't do the "quote" thing very well. he just wanted to throw Calvin under the bus again. poor john.)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG:
that chunk was from my post (the OP). scotty didn't post it.
you misread it.

the writer agrees with you (and anybody with a halfways reasonable grasp on what saving faith is).
he nevers says no repentence is needed.
first we repent of our unbelief concerning God, and Christ.
then we know what our sin is, and repent in sorrow over that (if we have heard the Law & Gospel properly presented).

then we are baptised, and continue daily in the scriptures and the apostle's doctrine.

salvation is by Grace through Faith alone!

the author is describing those (true antinomians) who likely answered an altar call (or love Osteenite gospels) and never heard the Law, and likely never really repented, since there is no change in their lives at all....he is attempting to show how the lack of evidence to support one's erroneous beliefs either leads to conviction, and repentence from the error or continuing in it, while lowering the bar and widening that needle gate....he's comparing two erroneous beliefs (and showing how in fact they are connected).

scotty didn't post that. (he still doesn't do the "quote" thing very well. he just wanted to throw Calvin under the bus again. poor john.)

Scotty scares me sometimes. It makes me wonder what goes on in that boys head!!

I never have time to sit and read lengthy posts.. that was my problem. if I took the time I would have seen this. My bad.

 

[superdave5221]

[
after more than 3 weeks, and 30 pounds lighter, i had jetted ahead in my Bible studies and doctrines, i had learned about charismaticism and what it is, and had been cleansed of the thing that had attached itself to me at that church service a few months prior, that thing that knew just how to make me feel, and all the visions and revelations: and its ASTONISHING ABILITY to make me forget about my Bible, in fact, it made me FEAR IT.

and that's my story.

i ain't looked back.

zone.[/quote]

Thanks Zone for sharing that story. It is interesting the fear that many of the "prophets" in here have of the bible. They are always posting threads about "idolizing the bible", and "the bible can't save you", and "the bible is not the sole authority", and "the bible is not Jesus", as if anyone thought it was, etc. etc. etc.

If the gospel message is what truly chains the devil, and keeps him from deceiving the nations, then it is very possible that we are already in the tribulation period, where Satan has been released. For never in history has there been such an attack on the word of God as we see today. It is banned in the schools, in many Muslim and Communist countries, is being "demytholigized" by groups of scholars, and is being misinterpreted on a daily basis, even by those who call themselves Christians.

Has Satan been released to once again deceive the nations? It might appear so.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

[
after more than 3 weeks, and 30 pounds lighter, i had jetted ahead in my Bible studies and doctrines, i had learned about charismaticism and what it is, and had been cleansed of the thing that had attached itself to me at that church service a few months prior, that thing that knew just how to make me feel, and all the visions and revelations: and its ASTONISHING ABILITY to make me forget about my Bible, in fact, it made me FEAR IT.

and that's my story.

i ain't looked back.

zone.

Thanks Zone for sharing that story. It is interesting the fear that many of the "prophets" in here have of the bible. They are always posting threads about "idolizing the bible", and "the bible can't save you", and "the bible is not the sole authority", and "the bible is not Jesus", as if anyone thought it was, etc. etc. etc.

If the gospel message is what truly chains the devil, and keeps him from deceiving the nations, then it is very possible that we are already in the tribulation period, where Satan has been released. For never in history has there been such an attack on the word of God as we see today. It is banned in the schools, in many Muslim and Communist countries, is being "demytholigized" by groups of scholars, and is being misinterpreted on a daily basis, even by those who call themselves Christians.

Has Satan been released to once again deceive the nations? It might appear so.

Nah, what your seeing is the "falling away" which is prophesied to happen before Satan empowers the man of sin, before tribulation;. As scripture says, A falling away comes first. And this is exactly what we are seeing.

Satan is not bound until after tribulation.

However, I agree. it was awesome that Zone shared her wonderful testimony!

 

[zone]

Thanks Zone for sharing that story. It is interesting the fear that many of the "prophets" in here have of the bible. They are always posting threads about "idolizing the bible", and "the bible can't save you", and "the bible is not the sole authority", and "the bible is not Jesus", as if anyone thought it was, etc. etc. etc.

If the gospel message is what truly chains the devil, and keeps him from deceiving the nations, then it is very possible that we are already in the tribulation period, where Satan has been released. For never in history has there been such an attack on the word of God as we see today. It is banned in the schools, in many Muslim and Communist countries, is being "demytholigized" by groups of scholars, and is being misinterpreted on a daily basis, even by those who call themselves Christians.

Has Satan been released to once again deceive the nations? It might appear so.

hi SuperDave.
eyup...that's what happens when people choose experiences and subjectivity over a renewed mind and the simplicity of the scriptures and the Lord's Table and such.
hopefully that disclosure shed a little light on why i stick around here (for now). i've told that here before.

and yes indeed brother, i do believe we are into satan's little season (9-11 the marker?), and the eschaton is here.
love zone.

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

hi DF
i'm not attacking anything with this thread.
i'm posting to encourage my brothers and sisters out there.

here's a short story about my ASKING GOD ABOUT THESE THINGS:

i attended a church that was founded by folks from "The Toronto Blessing".
after much drumming and calling for FIRE FIRE FIRE, dancing and flag waving, there was much action going on (falling down and so on).

they layed hands on me and imparted a spirit that caused me to stand frozen in place for an unspecified amount of time (Fatima comes to mind) where i saw flashing lights and streams of gold and silver, with a facelss "man", robed, stepping out from the bright lights, holding out a hand to me.

at the time i believed, naturally enough it was Jesus.

later we staggered around feeling drunk, uncontrollably laughing our heads off, linking arms and singing "praises" like sailors on the docks.

i had feelings. intense feelings of warmth and happiness, and favour. it lasted for weeks. i began to play CCM and dance around my house, hopping and skipping and generally savouring the daily visions and messages i "felt" in my spirit. there were so many i felt compelled to start writing them down. oh the ideas i was given!

~

then one day i happened to notice my Bible. on a shelf. covered with dust. and an alarm bell rang in my spirit.

i went to my Bible and actually felt FEAR. and a confusing mix of messages telling me i didn't need to bother with that book anymore: i had "arrived", and my stack of notes about the direct revelations i was receiving should be proof. after all, i had been hearing about how stupid and dead the church was for not arriving as i had.

the more i began to question the whole matter, as i walked to town, i was LITERALLY lifted nearly off the ground so that my body weight was halved. and i walked as though carried by angels. CCM played in my head. this was evidence that what i EXPERIENCED was more important than anything else.
so i went with the experiences a little longer.

~

then one night i woke up and a different "voice" way deep inside said

PRAYER AND FASTING.

that's it.
but i recognized that "voice"(though i had never "heard" it before, haven't since).

~

i knelt at my beside and began to pray.

when i stopped praying, the sun had gone down, my knees were raw from the carpet, and i was COMPLETELY changed. i do not know what the prayers were, really. but they went for hours.
it's without question The Holy Spirit was interceding for me, and i was being filled with Him, and empowered by Him for what was ahead....i didn't know what that was yet.

now i had new imperitives in my spirit. these all were related to more prayer, and study.

the fasting part i had no clue what that was about. but i discovered over the 3 1/2 weeks.

within that time i had been through most of the Bible again with ease and total clarity. we (the Holy Spirit and i) were looking for some things in particular.

i had followed (or more precisely engaged with) an easy leading which took me daily to the Library and the internet, as well as the Bible, and i simply relaxed, followed the progression of the studies. and for the first time in my life when i slept (about 3 hours per night), it was deep, sweet, and restorative.

then we (The Spirit and I) prayed, and prayed, and prayed again. i still don't know what He prayed on my behalf, nor what He organized in my mind. but He did.

i ate a tiny meal (a pice of fruit and water, sometimes a little meat or nuts) at mid-day, and slept perhaps 30 minutes. then started the entire process again.

~

after more than 3 weeks, and 30 pounds lighter, i had jetted ahead in my Bible studies and doctrines, i had learned about charismaticism and what it is, and had been cleansed of the thing that had attached itself to me at that church service a few months prior, that thing that knew just how to make me feel, and all the visions and revelations: and its ASTONISHING ABILITY to make me forget about my Bible, in fact, it made me FEAR IT.

and that's my story.

i ain't looked back.

zone.

am sorry that hear ur story zone,id say id had similar expereince but ina different way,
wen i first came to australia,i got involved in a church which was i think birthed out thru toronto blessing too,
it was really hard for me to grow in that church,cuz everybody would lay hands on and i wouldnt menifest and id be called i have a relegious spirit,ama doubter and so on,i really wanted to menifest but i just wouldnt,sometimes id feel this pressure id just act as if i laughed lyk em just so that id be accepted,sermons were nothingness of God only about how we should get wacked in the holy spirit,the preachers that would come would crow like a rooster some run and some crawl and ppl would bring holyspirit down to the level of drugs,this really frustrated me,
i do beleive in gifts and i ma self speak in tounges but wats the point of all these if chirst is not the centre of the whole message,or all our theology is based in feelings.
i have nothing against menifestation or speakin in tounges,its only when we do all this without of Christ for a show annoys me..i hvehad many gurls come to me telling me God told em to marry me lol say if i did maryy all of em id have 5 wives ba now lol
i beleive in growin in character with charizma,
God bless

 

[zone]

bless you too sam.
thanks for sharing that.
zone.

 

[AnandaHya]

ok I wanted to comment on this before reading everyone elses responses. So if I repeat anything I apologize. I will read comments after this post.

I am a continuationist who holds to a lot of Reformed doctrines. However I do not agree that we should lower the bar in order to hold up my thesis and I vehemently object to the parallel that my position is a mirror image to gutless gracers. I have meet several of those and they told me that my friends did not need to change and be Christian, it was ok for them to be Hindu or a witch and still take communion at their Episcopal church and homosexuality was not a sin. When I expressed my opinion I was told I was being intolerant and judgmental and that I had a right to live my life according to my moral convictions and I should allow them to live their lives according to theirs without my condemnation. For years I thought there was something wrong with ME, but now I realize God does not set a separate special standard for ME but for ALL to obey. We are under the SAME laws of Love and Righteousness before God. the SAME law, the Same Spirit that should lead all that claim to be Christian.

My proposition is that people are brought back to life through prayer, healed and given sight through prayer, fed poison by witches and lived while evangelizing in demon ridden countries. However they don't make the TV shows and don't make youTube videos, or don't waste their time writing mulitseries books.

This people are humble, go by no title except Disciple of Christ, Child of God, Redeemed by Jesus Christ, Servant to All in the work of bring souls to Jesus.

I have meet a lady who was healed through prayer of a Luekemia patient of blindness in the hospital bed. She never even knew the lady's name but she remembered her hospital roomate crawling out of bed and kneeling by her bed and praying all night over her and the next morning she was healed. She still have some problems with her eyes but the doctors has said she would be blind for life and that was the diagnosis for a week before the lady prayed for her.

some might say that the doctors had it wrong and it was not God but that is what the people in the desert said too. they too said that manna from Heaven was tasteless and they wanted God to give them MORE, MORE like the food they were used to in Egypt.

So no matter how many testimonies you hear, it is a matter of faith in two things.

1.if you believe the person who tells you the testimony speaks the truth
2. if you believe God is able to do those things or if you would rather believe YOU are right and limit God to your preconceived notions.

anyway that is my response to the article...

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

ok I wanted to comment on this before reading everyone elses responses. So if I repeat anything I apologize. I will read comments after this post.

I am a continuationist who holds to a lot of Reformed doctrines. However I do not agree that we should lower the bar in order to hold up my thesis and I vehemently object to the parallel that my position is a mirror image to gutless gracers. I have meet several of those and they told me that my friends did not need to change and be Christian, it was ok for them to be Hindu or a witch and still take communion at their Episcopal church and homosexuality was not a sin. When I expressed my opinion I was told I was being intolerant and judgmental and that I had a right to live my life according to my moral convictions and I should allow them to live their lives according to theirs without my condemnation. For years I thought there was something wrong with ME, but now I realize God does not set a separate special standard for ME but for ALL to obey. We are under the SAME laws of Love and Righteousness before God. the SAME law, the Same Spirit that should lead all that claim to be Christian.

My proposition is that people are brought back to life through prayer, healed and given sight through prayer, fed poison by witches and lived while evangelizing in demon ridden countries. However they don't make the TV shows and don't make youTube videos, or don't waste their time writing mulitseries books.

This people are humble, go by no title except Disciple of Christ, Child of God, Redeemed by Jesus Christ, Servant to All in the work of bring souls to Jesus.

I have meet a lady who was healed through prayer of a Luekemia patient of blindness in the hospital bed. She never even knew the lady's name but she remembered her hospital roomate crawling out of bed and kneeling by her bed and praying all night over her and the next morning she was healed. She still have some problems with her eyes but the doctors has said she would be blind for life and that was the diagnosis for a week before the lady prayed for her.

some might say that the doctors had it wrong and it was not God but that is what the people in the desert said too. they too said that manna from Heaven was tasteless and they wanted God to give them MORE, MORE like the food they were used to in Egypt.

So no matter how many testimonies you hear, it is a matter of faith in two things.

1.if you believe the person who tells you the testimony speaks the truth
2. if you believe God is able to do those things or if you would rather believe YOU are right and limit God to your preconceived notions.

anyway that is my response to the article...

da really good ana

 

[AnandaHya]

hi DF
i'm not attacking anything with this thread.
i'm posting to encourage my brothers and sisters out there.

here's a short story about my ASKING GOD ABOUT THESE THINGS:

i attended a church that was founded by folks from "The Toronto Blessing".
after much drumming and calling for FIRE FIRE FIRE, dancing and flag waving, there was much action going on (falling down and so on).

they layed hands on me and imparted a spirit that caused me to stand frozen in place for an unspecified amount of time (Fatima comes to mind) where i saw flashing lights and streams of gold and silver, with a facelss "man", robed, stepping out from the bright lights, holding out a hand to me.

at the time i believed, naturally enough it was Jesus.

later we staggered around feeling drunk, uncontrollably laughing our heads off, linking arms and singing "praises" like sailors on the docks.

i had feelings. intense feelings of warmth and happiness, and favour. it lasted for weeks. i began to play CCM and dance around my house, hopping and skipping and generally savouring the daily visions and messages i "felt" in my spirit. there were so many i felt compelled to start writing them down. oh the ideas i was given!

~

then one day i happened to notice my Bible. on a shelf. covered with dust. and an alarm bell rang in my spirit.

i went to my Bible and actually felt FEAR. and a confusing mix of messages telling me i didn't need to bother with that book anymore: i had "arrived", and my stack of notes about the direct revelations i was receiving should be proof. after all, i had been hearing about how stupid and dead the church was for not arriving as i had.

the more i began to question the whole matter, as i walked to town, i was LITERALLY lifted nearly off the ground so that my body weight was halved. and i walked as though carried by angels. CCM played in my head. this was evidence that what i EXPERIENCED was more important than anything else.
so i went with the experiences a little longer.

~

then one night i woke up and a different "voice" way deep inside said

PRAYER AND FASTING.

that's it.
but i recognized that "voice"(though i had never "heard" it before, haven't since).

~

i knelt at my beside and began to pray.

when i stopped praying, the sun had gone down, my knees were raw from the carpet, and i was COMPLETELY changed. i do not know what the prayers were, really. but they went for hours.
it's without question The Holy Spirit was interceding for me, and i was being filled with Him, and empowered by Him for what was ahead....i didn't know what that was yet.

now i had new imperitives in my spirit. these all were related to more prayer, and study.

the fasting part i had no clue what that was about. but i discovered over the 3 1/2 weeks.

within that time i had been through most of the Bible again with ease and total clarity. we (the Holy Spirit and i) were looking for some things in particular.

i had followed (or more precisely engaged with) an easy leading which took me daily to the Library and the internet, as well as the Bible, and i simply relaxed, followed the progression of the studies. and for the first time in my life when i slept (about 3 hours per night), it was deep, sweet, and restorative.

then we (The Spirit and I) prayed, and prayed, and prayed again. i still don't know what He prayed on my behalf, nor what He organized in my mind. but He did.

i ate a tiny meal (a pice of fruit and water, sometimes a little meat or nuts) at mid-day, and slept perhaps 30 minutes. then started the entire process again.

~

after more than 3 weeks, and 30 pounds lighter, i had jetted ahead in my Bible studies and doctrines, i had learned about charismaticism and what it is, and had been cleansed of the thing that had attached itself to me at that church service a few months prior, that thing that knew just how to make me feel, and all the visions and revelations: and its ASTONISHING ABILITY to make me forget about my Bible, in fact, it made me FEAR IT.

and that's my story.

i ain't looked back.

zone.

thank you for sharing your testimony with us Zone. You know I was thinking about your statement about how your testimony isn't important and I read this passage and thought of you. it tells how JESUS told the man to go and give his testimony to the ten cities.....

Mark 5
18 And when He got into the boat, he who had been demon-possessed begged Him that he might be with Him. 19 However, Jesus did not permit him, but said to him, “Go home to your friends, and tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you.” 20 And he departed and began to proclaim in Decapolis all that Jesus had done for him; and all marveled.


also you know history and sometimes the worst heresies are created in an attempt to combat other heresies. Isn't that how Arianism came about?

Cessationism and Rebellion​

Adapted from

Commentary on 1 & 2 Thessalonians
Vincent Cheung

"Do not put out the Spirit's fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. (1Thessalonians 5:19-20)
Verses 19-22 discuss the apostolic policy toward prophecy.​

Paul writes, "Do not treat prophecies with contempt," but he tells the Christians to "test everything." Cessationism is the false doctrine that the manifestations of miraculous endowments such as those listed in 1 Corinthians 12 have ceased since the days of the apostles and the
completion of the Bible. Although there is no biblical evidence for this position, a main motive for this invention is to secure the sufficiency of Scripture and the finality (completion) of Scripture. However, it has been shown that the continuation of miraculous manifestations does not in fact contradict these two doctrines or put them at risk.​

1. Thus cessationism is both unbiblical and unnecessary.​

May God bless and heal you. love you sis

(lol even when we disagree)​

 

[AnandaHya]

am sorry that hear ur story zone,id say id had similar expereince but ina different way,
wen i first came to australia,i got involved in a church which was i think birthed out thru toronto blessing too,
it was really hard for me to grow in that church,cuz everybody would lay hands on and i wouldnt menifest and id be called i have a relegious spirit,ama doubter and so on,i really wanted to menifest but i just wouldnt,sometimes id feel this pressure id just act as if i laughed lyk em just so that id be accepted,sermons were nothingness of God only about how we should get wacked in the holy spirit,the preachers that would come would crow like a rooster some run and some crawl and ppl would bring holyspirit down to the level of drugs,this really frustrated me,
i do beleive in gifts and i ma self speak in tounges but wats the point of all these if chirst is not the centre of the whole message,or all our theology is based in feelings.
i have nothing against menifestation or speakin in tounges,its only when we do all this without of Christ for a show annoys me..i hvehad many gurls come to me telling me God told em to marry me lol say if i did maryy all of em id have 5 wives ba now lol
i beleive in growin in character with charizma,
God bless

man that is just plain spooky. I've walked in churches like that (at least the people who invited me told me it/ warned me that things like that might happen) but for some reason that night nothing happened.

I asked what was up and they said the spirit wasn't moving that night, the church and the people made me uncomfortable so I didn't go back again.

there was one time one of my best friends from college was involved in a youth group that had "special" home meetings and when I asked if I could come they said I had to speak in tongues first. I felt the urge to say something but it didn't make sense and it felt demonic so I didn't. I don't like fear tactics and manipulations. they wanted my friend to go but she was reluctant because she wasn't feeling well so three of them showed up at her dorm room to "pray healing over her" and I was there studying with her for one of our classes and they spoke in tongues and manifest some things but I had nightmares about them that night where demons glared at me through their eyes. I psycholanalyzed it and reasoned it away but avoided them all the same. My friend told me she got away from them a couple years later and found a better more Bible based church to attend.

so yeah that stuff is just as spooky as my first roommate who claimed to be a "Christian witch" and her warlock boyfriend and their seances and internet spiritual warfare thing.

 

[zone]

thank you for sharing your testimony with us Zone. You know I was thinking about your statement about how your testimony isn't important and I read this passage and thought of you. it tells how JESUS told the man to go and give his testimony to the ten cities.....

Mark 5
18 And when He got into the boat, he who had been demon-possessed begged Him that he might be with Him. 19 However, Jesus did not permit him, but said to him, “Go home to your friends, and tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you.” 20 And he departed and began to proclaim in Decapolis all that Jesus had done for him; and all marveled.

also you know history and sometimes the worst heresies are created in an attempt to combat other heresies. Isn't that how Arianism came about?

May God bless and heal you. love you sis

(lol even when we disagree)

ananda:
cessationism is not heresy. you've had plenty of time to learn. so you make your own choices.
you want prophets and apostles and signs and wonders? go get your fill....plenty more on its way.
what you will find in EVERY SINGLE CASE is a depature from sound doctrine.

that's the whole point, and it was foretold.

i would recommend you be a little more careful about what charismatics post to justify what they do.

Neo-Montanism: Pentecostalism is the ancient heresy of Montanism revived

i was not demon-possessed dear. i was saved long before that happened.
i just had "company".

you know all about that, don't you?

and we only disagree because you haven't accepted the truth of the FOUNDATION LAID ONCE FOR ALL TIME 2000 YEARS AGO.

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

man that is just plain spooky. I've walked in churches like that (at least the people who invited me told me it/ warned me that things like that might happen) but for some reason that night nothing happened.

I asked what was up and they said the spirit wasn't moving that night, the church and the people made me uncomfortable so I didn't go back again.

there was one time one of my best friends from college was involved in a youth group that had "special" home meetings and when I asked if I could come they said I had to speak in tongues first. I felt the urge to say something but it didn't make sense and it felt demonic so I didn't. I don't like fear tactics and manipulations. they wanted my friend to go but she was reluctant because she wasn't feeling well so three of them showed up at her dorm room to "pray healing over her" and I was there studying with her for one of our classes and they spoke in tongues and manifest some things but I had nightmares about them that night where demons glared at me through their eyes. I psycholanalyzed it and reasoned it away but avoided them all the same. My friend told me she got away from them a couple years later and found a better more Bible based church to attend.

so yeah that stuff is just as spooky as my first roommate who claimed to be a "Christian witch" and her warlock boyfriend and their seances and internet spiritual warfare thing.

yeah ppl seriously lack the fear of God,he is not just hey buddy thanks for saving me,he is God almighty,whos got to be honoured and worshipped,its really sad there are some rotten apples da even makes genuine ones looks lyk duhh
lol