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v7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
The manifestation of "the gift of holy spirit" is given to every man "each born again believer" for profit.
We know that in the original manuscripts there are no capitlizations. The translators inserted capitalization where they thought it should be capitalized so to change a capital letter does not change the scripture. "Spirit" here is speaking of the gift given by God - in the A.V. of 1611 it was translated with a small "s" then later changed.
v11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Sprit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit (God) dividing "distributing" to every man "each man" severally as he "pronoun going back to the noun [man]" will -
Now they are in harmony producing no contradictions or confusion. The manifestation of the gift of holy spirit is given to each born again believer for overall profit. v11) But all these are energized by God distributing to each born again believer as each born again believer desires or purposes.
The manifestation of "the gift of holy spirit" is given to every man "each born again believer" for profit.
We know that in the original manuscripts there are no capitlizations. The translators inserted capitalization where they thought it should be capitalized so to change a capital letter does not change the scripture. "Spirit" here is speaking of the gift given by God - in the A.V. of 1611 it was translated with a small "s" then later changed.
v11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Sprit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit (God) dividing "distributing" to every man "each man" severally as he "pronoun going back to the noun [man]" will -
Now they are in harmony producing no contradictions or confusion. The manifestation of the gift of holy spirit is given to each born again believer for overall profit. v11) But all these are energized by God distributing to each born again believer as each born again believer desires or purposes.
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The Glorified Church
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper. It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel. There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west. And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. (Rev. 21:9-14)
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper. It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel. There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west. And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. (Rev. 21:9-14)
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If I may...
Try the KJV.
Correct. A person can be saved and never speak in tongues. Most Christians are in that boat.
Every Christian has the gift of holy spirit, and has the ability to operate the manifestations of that gift, one of which is speaking in tongues. (just to set the record straight...)
God has already given every Christian the ability. Most don't know it. It's not God's fault. He, through Paul, says "I would that ye all spake with tongues".
Try the KJV.
Correct. A person can be saved and never speak in tongues. Most Christians are in that boat.
Every Christian has the gift of holy spirit, and has the ability to operate the manifestations of that gift, one of which is speaking in tongues. (just to set the record straight...
)God has already given every Christian the ability. Most don't know it. It's not God's fault. He, through Paul, says "I would that ye all spake with tongues".
Kjv . Charity=love. Interesting word choice for 'that.' That was not known, shroom2, odd 2-meaning, and I was too lazy to look it up and THAT version is tied with NASB as my most favorite understandable translation. Not anymore !!!
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'Correcta.'
Good, the Lord leads my speech, and, I only want to say what He communicates , even when, thx to my mytouch 4G, my speech starts In Spanish
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Manifestation gifts = described gifts, received from the Holy Spirit when we ASK and it is what He needs to get done His purpose for our life.
'Gift' also = Holy Spirit , our 'helper' God gifted us with to understand how to use manifestation gifts, which are available for all but ONLY as God wills them to you for His purpose to show (manifest) His glory through you.
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Paul: ' I would you spake in tongues, too.' (paraphrse, but gist is same)
Shroom2, this is wishful thinking by Paul, and, LOL, of course, it's not God's fault, He has no faults
Sbroom2: no, not everyone CAN speak in tongues. it MUST be manifest in you by God.through His Holy Spirit.
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No, it isn't. It's your incorrect paraphrase.
No, it isn't. It is scripture.
"I would that ye all spake in tongues".
Every Christian has holy spirit, and therefore the ability to operate the manifestations, one of which is speaking in tongues.
Shroom2, this is wishful thinking by Paul, and, LOL, of course, it's not God's fault, He has no faults
"I would that ye all spake in tongues".
Sbroom2: no, not everyone CAN speak in tongues. it MUST be manifest in you by God.through His Holy Spirit.
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My way of thinking on speaking in tongues is sort of like my way of thinking on alcohol. Many Christians believe it is ok to drink alcohol (but they are not allowed to get drunk). I was raised to believe that you would burn in hell if u touched alcohol. Now that I have my own personal relationship with God, I look at alcohol drinking by Christians is unsure. I have read the Bible and listened to the articles (both sides) and I am not sure if its a sin or not. Since I do not know, and God has not given me conviction or instruction either way, I abstain from drinking alcohol. I figure if I dont know if its a sin or not, then why take the chance?
I feel much the same way about speaking in tongues. Again I have heard both sides of the argument. And again, I do not feel as if God has given me and specific discernment or conviction either way. So, again I take the road of not doing it. Part of that is, I have never felt the spirit choosing me to speak in tongues. But I have heard others speak in tongues and adamently believe in the practice, and I do not disagree with them.
So many times I find myself in the middle of the road because I have no surety of conviction in certain areas. If I do not have a difinitive answer, I am unsure what to do but continue to pray.
Debbie
I feel much the same way about speaking in tongues. Again I have heard both sides of the argument. And again, I do not feel as if God has given me and specific discernment or conviction either way. So, again I take the road of not doing it. Part of that is, I have never felt the spirit choosing me to speak in tongues. But I have heard others speak in tongues and adamently believe in the practice, and I do not disagree with them.
So many times I find myself in the middle of the road because I have no surety of conviction in certain areas. If I do not have a difinitive answer, I am unsure what to do but continue to pray.
Debbie
1 Cor 14:5) I would that ye all spake with tongues,
1 Cor 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also:
1 Cor 14:39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Eph 6:18) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit
Jude 20) But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
1 Cor 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also:
1 Cor 14:39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Eph 6:18) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit
Jude 20) But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
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There are 2 different types of tongues. One refers, as at pentacost, to speaking actual foreign languages. This has happened to me before. I have a friend who found out she was speaking Africaans as she was ministering to a woman. She found out a few minutes after the woman left that she was speaking a language she didn't know and she had no clue.
The 2nd type is a heavenly language. This is what people usually refer to when speaking of tongues. I have experienced both. Both are beneficial.
When I was 13, before I was a Christian, I went to a retreat with an AofG church where they told everyone they had to receive the gift of tongues. I had never heard of tongues before, so it scared me to death. Because I was scared, I there was no way I was going to accept the "gift" which at 13 seemed a little more like demonic possession to me than a communication with God. There is no evidence in the bible that says the gift of tongues is a sign of salvation. You receive the HS at the pt of salvation... The gift of tongues is a different sort of infilling.
The 2nd type is a heavenly language. This is what people usually refer to when speaking of tongues. I have experienced both. Both are beneficial.
When I was 13, before I was a Christian, I went to a retreat with an AofG church where they told everyone they had to receive the gift of tongues. I had never heard of tongues before, so it scared me to death. Because I was scared, I there was no way I was going to accept the "gift" which at 13 seemed a little more like demonic possession to me than a communication with God. There is no evidence in the bible that says the gift of tongues is a sign of salvation. You receive the HS at the pt of salvation... The gift of tongues is a different sort of infilling.
Speaking in tongues is referenced in chapter 13 of 1Corinthians by Paul telling about speaking in tongue himself.
Describing the tongue-speaking is talked about in chapter 14 by Paul.
Chapter 14 tells us that if one speaks in tongues, it should be translated so man can understand it and be truly thankful.
To better understand the Bible, you can use Strong's dictionary (e-sword is what I use for translation) and apprehend what some words mean (for instance, carcass represents satan)
Describing the tongue-speaking is talked about in chapter 14 by Paul.
Chapter 14 tells us that if one speaks in tongues, it should be translated so man can understand it and be truly thankful.
To better understand the Bible, you can use Strong's dictionary (e-sword is what I use for translation) and apprehend what some words mean (for instance, carcass represents satan)
1 Corinthians 14:1-19
1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
1Co 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
1Co 14:7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
1Co 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1Co 14:10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
1Co 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
1Co 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
1Co 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
1Co 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
1Co 14:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
1Co 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Unknown tongue in Strong's = of uncertain affinity; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired): tongue.
<Here is a link to where a great reading on speaking in tongue is given.>
1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
1Co 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
1Co 14:7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
1Co 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1Co 14:10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
1Co 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
1Co 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
1Co 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
1Co 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
1Co 14:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
1Co 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Unknown tongue in Strong's = of uncertain affinity; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired): tongue.
<Here is a link to where a great reading on speaking in tongue is given.>
Speaking in tongue is not now what it used to be.
When they spoke this tongue, everybody understood it, the Scripture lists 18 different languages that understood it AT ONCE! Not like today's so-called tongues where only another possessed person can think that he understands it. The Pentecostal Day (Acts ch. 2) tongues were heard and understood by all languages:
When they spoke this tongue, everybody understood it, the Scripture lists 18 different languages that understood it AT ONCE! Not like today's so-called tongues where only another possessed person can think that he understands it. The Pentecostal Day (Acts ch. 2) tongues were heard and understood by all languages:
Acts 2:4-11
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. (KJV)
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. (KJV)
Bottom line: Talking in Tongues is not of the Holy Spirit, but is rather of evil spirits deceiving the speaker.
1 John 4:1
4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. KJV
4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. KJV
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming [disguising] themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed [disguised] as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. KJV
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming [disguising] themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed [disguised] as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. KJV
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Yes, Paul was an apostle. He met the criteria. Apostles bore witness to the fact that Jesus had risen from the dead. In order to do this, they had to have seen him after he was resurrected.
1 Corinthians 15:7-9
After that, he [JESUS] was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me [PAUL] also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
Who will be inscribed as one of the twelve in the New Jerusalem ? Matthias ? Paul ? I don't know. Can we leave that up to God ? Let's go a step further. Paul calls himself the "least of the apostles". Would you agree with his self-assessment ? I spose we'd have to, right ? Which could only conclude that every subsequent claimant to apostleship would be called greater than Paul. Where are they ? I'd love to meet somebody ..... anybody since Paul that has seen the risen Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:7-9
After that, he [JESUS] was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me [PAUL] also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
Who will be inscribed as one of the twelve in the New Jerusalem ? Matthias ? Paul ? I don't know. Can we leave that up to God ? Let's go a step further. Paul calls himself the "least of the apostles". Would you agree with his self-assessment ? I spose we'd have to, right ? Which could only conclude that every subsequent claimant to apostleship would be called greater than Paul. Where are they ? I'd love to meet somebody ..... anybody since Paul that has seen the risen Christ.
Where in God's word do you get the idea that an apostle had to see the risen Christ?
The ministry of an apostle is one of the gift ministries (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers). Are evangelists gone? Are there no longer any teachers or pastors? Why do you say apostles and prophets are gone?
The ministry of an apostle is one of the gift ministries (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers). Are evangelists gone? Are there no longer any teachers or pastors? Why do you say apostles and prophets are gone?
The primary job and calling of the NT apostles and prophets at the inception of the church was to lay down the foundation, making Jesus Christ the chief corner stone, and communicating the doctrine of the NT testament as it relates to the church, the body and bride of Christ. The word that they preached to establish this doctrine and foundation was confirmed with miracles, signs and wonders. When that was accomplished the office of apostles and prophets were no longer a needed gift for the church. In addition, any spiritual gifts given to the church during that time, that aided in the dispensing of the knowledge and revelation of sound doctrine for the formation of unity in the faith, that was also not needed any longer and done away with.
There are isolated administrations of certain gifts that are giving to the church, from time to time, for the purpose of edifying certain groups of believers that includes confirmation for some that need to be built up and know that certain ministries are of God. This is to given to overcome unbelief and skepticism that is in the heart and to provide certain assurances in the faith that we have been given. These are usually isolated but are from God, but do not characterize the foundational truth of the ministry of the church.
We have been given the written word that is inspired for doctrine, for instruction in righteousness, for reproof and correction and for edification to build up the believer as an individual and as a corporate body believer, to help them mature and grow up in the unity of the faith. This is what every believer is mandated to live by and hide in their heart that it may be cherished and bring forth fruit unto God. Hearing the word preached is the most precious commodity that we have as believers and we are to make ourselves available to it by not forsaking the assembly of ourselves together to hear it.
There are isolated administrations of certain gifts that are giving to the church, from time to time, for the purpose of edifying certain groups of believers that includes confirmation for some that need to be built up and know that certain ministries are of God. This is to given to overcome unbelief and skepticism that is in the heart and to provide certain assurances in the faith that we have been given. These are usually isolated but are from God, but do not characterize the foundational truth of the ministry of the church.
We have been given the written word that is inspired for doctrine, for instruction in righteousness, for reproof and correction and for edification to build up the believer as an individual and as a corporate body believer, to help them mature and grow up in the unity of the faith. This is what every believer is mandated to live by and hide in their heart that it may be cherished and bring forth fruit unto God. Hearing the word preached is the most precious commodity that we have as believers and we are to make ourselves available to it by not forsaking the assembly of ourselves together to hear it.