"Feminism"

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Nattmaran

Banned [Reason: ongoing "gay Christian" agenda and
Mar 31, 2012
291
0
0
#61
Women being treated badly, and beaten by their husbands = bad
Women Submitting to their husbands = good
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Feminism is not a Godly theology, it was a kickback against unfair treatment. It is now all for equal rights and more, however, Males and Females have different roles, it's biblical. Females may not want to submit to their husbands, but maybe the husbands equally do not want to be the breadwinner. I strongly disagree with feminism.

"Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord." -- Ephesians 5:22

For women, please read this -- A Woman's Place
It explains how Jesus in a way, liberated women. :)

God Bless xx
I say it again.
If women had written the bible it would have been a completely other story.
 
J

Jullianna

Guest
#62
Can anyone but God bring about true change, especially in the hearts and minds of men? If morality, respect, common sense and/or common decency could be legislated, we wouldn’t need courts, jails, armies or cops, would we? No matter what we legislate there will still be those who will do as they please regarding a thing regardless of legislation and/or penalties. I see it every hour of every day...all...day...long
 

Matthew4Jesus

Senior Member
May 7, 2011
258
5
18
#63
Sure... and if men submit to the wives and does what the wives tell them to do it would be a lot less headaches.
"Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord." -- Ephesians 5:22
God's clear on this, period.

But... there also many things that the bible got wrong when it got to archeology, history and when things happened (and it they happened). If you want me to I can find you some facts to compare.
Please find some examples, they would be much appreciated. But... how do you know the bible is wrong about history and when it happened? I am sure you would be referring to other historical references, which are fallible and not the infallible word of God?

Yes that is said for every holy book there is. And you know, just because it is written in a book does not mean its true. In that way every religion would be true.
The bible was dictated by God, meaning, there are no mistakes, no lies, and every command he gives us in the bible must be obeyed... God is unchanging, therefore his word is unchanging, meaning ''modern Christianity'' is just - in the words of Leonard Ravenhilll - a shot in the arm for people to get to hell more quickly.

Yes... and that was written more 2000 years ago by talibans.
I have already mentioned that every command must be obeyed, and that God's instructions don't change because people think certain things are okay now. The bible speaks about it becoming like this, we will become hated for his namesake.

Can you be a capitalist and a Christian
In a dream world we would all be truth seeking followers of Christ, a dream world where capitalism would work nicely, since there would be no Greed!

God Bless :) xx
 

Matthew4Jesus

Senior Member
May 7, 2011
258
5
18
#64
say it again. If women had written the bible it would have been a completely other story.
No... because it's God's word, not Paul's, Matthew's, John's, etc.
 

Nattmaran

Banned [Reason: ongoing "gay Christian" agenda and
Mar 31, 2012
291
0
0
#66
Can anyone but God bring about true change, especially in the hearts and minds of men? If morality, respect, common sense and/or common decency could be legislated, we wouldn’t need courts, jails, armies or cops, would we? No matter what we legislate there will still be those who will do as they please regarding a thing regardless of legislation and/or penalties. I see it every hour of every day...all...day...long
True change is hard. But mankind can better themselves by building a safe and equal society (between races, genders, echonomics and so on).

If you look at the age when the bible was written we have come a long way.
 

Nattmaran

Banned [Reason: ongoing "gay Christian" agenda and
Mar 31, 2012
291
0
0
#67
Which could very well be why God didn't allow it :)
Or that the women where "slaves" to their husbands and probably could not even read and write. It was a patriarchal society after all. And that spilled sadly over in bible.
 

Nattmaran

Banned [Reason: ongoing "gay Christian" agenda and
Mar 31, 2012
291
0
0
#68
The bible was dictated by God, meaning, there are no mistakes, no lies, and every command he gives us in the bible must be obeyed... God is unchanging, therefore his word is unchanging, meaning ''modern Christianity'' is just - in the words of Leonard Ravenhilll - a shot in the arm for people to get to hell more quickly.
Well... since I am a protestant christian I do not share that part of your faith. So we are different in this.
 

Matthew4Jesus

Senior Member
May 7, 2011
258
5
18
#69
Okay, your choice is your choice... but if the word of God is changing... then what's not to say he wont send us all to hell anyway... he could have lied to us if his word changes.
 

Nattmaran

Banned [Reason: ongoing "gay Christian" agenda and
Mar 31, 2012
291
0
0
#70
Okay, your choice is your choice... but if the word of God is changing... then what's not to say he wont send us all to hell anyway... he could have lied to us if his word changes.
God would not do that!
Have you not prayed and felt the love of Jesus. He will not send you to hell... he will take you into his arms and want you to be a good person.
 
J

Jullianna

Guest
#71
Can any christian possibly believe that, IF IT HAD BEEN HIS PLAN, the God of all creation couldn’t either have: a) arranged for a woman to dictate her Holy Spirit breathed accounts to a scribe (as the other uneducated male writers of the Bible did); or b) made miraculous arrangements for her advanced education so she could write them herself (as He did for Moses, the child of a hebrew slave)?

Could Almighty God not have done the same for Miriam that He did for Moses IF He had desired to do so?

Doesn’t compute…
 
R

rainacorn

Guest
#72
If you look at the age when the bible was written we have come a long way.
I went to the mall today. There was a woman outside with her butt and boobs hanging out of her clothes wearing ridiculously high heels, smoking a cigarette while holding a toddler.

Are we 'better' now because she wasn't stoned to death for looking like a whore and mistreating her child?
 

Nattmaran

Banned [Reason: ongoing "gay Christian" agenda and
Mar 31, 2012
291
0
0
#73
I went to the mall today. There was a woman outside with her butt and boobs hanging out of her clothes wearing ridiculously high heels, smoking a cigarette while holding a toddler.

Are we 'better' now because she wasn't stoned to death for looking like a whore and mistreating her child?
???

You can be a bad parent in many ways. People where bad parents back then as well.

And to answer your question. NO I don't think that you should stone a woman because she smokes, dresses in skimpy clothes and is a bad mother.

Talk to social service if you think that her child is in that much danger.

In Iran and Afghanistan I think you would find lots of people that would agree with you.
 

Nattmaran

Banned [Reason: ongoing "gay Christian" agenda and
Mar 31, 2012
291
0
0
#74
Can any christian possibly believe that, IF IT HAD BEEN HIS PLAN, the God of all creation couldn’t either have: a) arranged for a woman to dictate her Holy Spirit breathed accounts to a scribe (as the other uneducated male writers of the Bible did);

No no no... As the "uneducated make writers of the Bible" claimed they had experienced.

Just because it is written does not mean it is true.

or b) made miraculous arrangements for her advanced education so she could write them herself (as He did for Moses, the child of a hebrew slave)?
Could Almighty God not have done the same for Miriam that He did for Moses IF He had desired to do so?
In that male world it would not have been tolerated. They would probably stone her or something.

Doesn’t compute…
I know, Patriarchy stinks
 
J

Jullianna

Guest
#75
You don't really expect me to take any further posts from you seriously, do you? If I'm going to engage in a conversation, I would prefer that they remain at at least a young adult level....wow......

peace ..out...
 

Nattmaran

Banned [Reason: ongoing "gay Christian" agenda and
Mar 31, 2012
291
0
0
#76
You don't really expect me to take any further posts from you seriously, do you? If I'm going to engage in a conversation, I would prefer that they remain at at least a young adult level....wow......

peace ..out...
Well... I believe exactly what I said there.
 
U

Ugly

Guest
#77

No no no... As the "uneducated make writers of the Bible" claimed they had experienced.

Just because it is written does not mean it is true.



In that male world it would not have been tolerated. They would probably stone her or something.



I know, Patriarchy stinks
Its rather funny. So much of what you have to say about the bible, who wrote it, how it was written, when it was written.. you have such strong and vehement attitudes against it all... yet every time you stake some claim against it all it starts with 'i think....'.
Such as when Julianna suggests that if God wanted women to dictate the bible, you throw out some unfounded, unsupported GUESS that she PROBABLY would have been stoned if she tried. Yet you treat all these guesses and assumptions as facts. Not only is there no evidence of this claim, it also makes God into a weak and powerless being, unable to enforce His own will.
 
J

Jenesis

Guest
#78
I'd just like to add that since submitting to my husband as Christ would have it, my life has been calmer, more pleasant and full of purpose. I've found my place and it agrees with me and with scripture :) God really knew what he was doing within the marriage model. It works.
 
J

jimmydiggs

Guest
#79
Its rather funny. So much of what you have to say about the bible, who wrote it, how it was written, when it was written.. you have such strong and vehement attitudes against it all... yet every time you stake some claim against it all it starts with 'i think....'.
Such as when Julianna suggests that if God wanted women to dictate the bible, you throw out some unfounded, unsupported GUESS that she PROBABLY would have been stoned if she tried. Yet you treat all these guesses and assumptions as facts. Not only is there no evidence of this claim, it also makes God into a weak and powerless being, unable to enforce His own will.
She is, as it might be metaphorically said, her own god.
 
M

MrsMusic8810

Guest
#80
Ok, people. I have read all of these comments. And I strong believe that part of the division of agreement is not only on how people perceive equality, but also with how to interpret the various verse of the Bible. I'm not saying that my interpretation is ultimately correct, because in reality when i read the scriptures, especially in my bedroom for my quality time with God and His word, the interpretation is more or less designed for me personally to learn because of my situation or current state in life.

Frankly, I'm not surprised that human beings are still discussing and debating this. In the society of humankind, it's still and issue just as much as racisim--subtle, yet still an existing issue. This has taught me one of several things important in my life: that no matter what laws are passed by man, it doesn't ultimately erase the problem. God is the only true being who can cause an influential difference. Since we are his children, it is our job to not only stand physically and spiritually as a united front, but to also pray since we are taught that there is power in prayer.

Here are the scriptures I found which referred to women.

Genesis 2: 18-25
In these scriptures tells how God created all the creatures of the earth and sky, brought them for Adam to see and allowed for whatever Adam called them to be their name. Afterwards, he cause Adam to fall asleep so that he could take a rib from Adam to make Eve--a woman, and his help mate. Verse 24 stood out for me: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

Proverbs 31: 10-31
This scripture tells and describes the virtuous woman for which King Lemmuel was taught by his own mother. A virtuous woman. So both men and women, read this description. Verses 30-31 stand out specifically for me: "Favor is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman who feareth the Lord, she shall be praised. Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates."

1 Corinthians 11: 2-16; 14: 26-40
These scriptures were written by Paul specifically to the church of the Corinthians. The subjects specially discussed and refer to women are: the covering of women's heads and the use of spiritual gifts. For 11: 2-16, verses 8-12 stand out: "For the man is not of woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.For this cause, ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God."
For the scriptures on the subject of the uses of spiritual gifts, verses 27-33 stood out: "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. If any be revealed to another that sitteh by, let the first hold his peace. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. And the spirits of the prophets are subject ot the prophets: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints."

So, After reading these verses lemme see the questions again..


What is your definition of "feminism"?

What is your definition of "feminist theology"

What are your thoughts on the ties between feminism and Lilith/the Kabbalah?

Can a woman be a christian and a "feminist"?
1. My definition of feminism is that women who follow and love Christ and God are treated with respect and love as Christ loved the church. I believe all women of all races, ethnicities, and faith she be treated with respect. Was Eve deceived by the devil? Yes. Were men during the biblical days and in modern days deceived, tricked, and tempted by the devil? Yes.

2. feminist theology: Hm. Well, even when i read about the feminist movement in history class...I found that the one flaw in the "movement" during the 20's was that there was division. Black women, White women, Aisan women, etc were divided. So learning from the past about that I must say that apparently there were differences in the goals of what they wanted to be changed for their own groups.

3. Cannot speak my opinion or interpretation about lilth/the Kabbalah. I don't remember who they are.

4. Can a woman be a christian and a "feminist"? The true question is does the woman love God? Does she want to glorify him and help his kingdom? Does she desire what Christ desired: for all those who wish for salvation, and all positive things God can give to manifest in their lives? If so then it's possible for a woman to be christian and to have spiritual feminism--the desire to work along with man to glorify and work for God's kingdom. If a woman seeks for physical feminism--to be competitive with men in gaining ultimate social, economic, and political power and dominance, then no.