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I was watching the elections like a hawk last night. It really looked like Romney was going to win until the western states reported in. Then Obama really rocketed into the lead, snatching the win from out of nowhere. It was quite the thing to behold.
President Obama rightfully "snatched" the win with the help of the people voting for him and preferring his policies and vision for this country over his opponents! That's what it all boils down to. We have to honor what the majority of American voters have declared with this election and Go Forward from here as the president has always said. There can be no doubt that the president's vision for this country truly resonated with the majority who voted for him and who chose to give him Four More Years! He ran a great campaign and harvested the results of his efforts!
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Let us all now come together in harmony, unity and peace, and stay focused on a salient purpose that will be of great benefit to the American people. -- HeavenlyWarrior
 
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That won't happen. America hates God.

I will not be a part of America's hatred for God.


James 4:4
You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
Lol really? America doesn't hate god. Nearly 80% of Americans are Christian, and a little less than 5% aren't Christian but still worship some kind of god. Only roughly 16% don't consider themselves theists, and they don't HATE god, they have no belief. I genuinely don't understand what people are talking about when they say Americans "hate god", so if you can please educate me on your opinion I'd love to hear more.
 
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Lol really? America doesn't hate god. Nearly 80% of Americans are Christian, and a little less than 5% aren't Christian but still worship some kind of god. Only roughly 16% don't consider themselves theists, and they don't HATE god, they have no belief. I genuinely don't understand what people are talking about when they say Americans "hate god", so if you can please educate me on your opinion I'd love to hear more.

I don't think the majority of America hates God, but there is a small, but growing, minority of people who do. Just locally, I've heard plenty of stories of Atheist being antagonistic toward Christians. Also, while Atheist have no belief, many do show prejudice towards Christians. You have to be blind not to see it, even C.S. Lewis acknowledged it some 60 years ago...

Atheists express their rage against God although in their view He does not exist. --C. S. Lewis
 

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How can those who profess Christ endorse this man who:

'Obama Supports Gay Marriage and Abortion!
Easy by supporting them ourselves. Sure christians might think those are wrong for themselves, but im notgoing to force people to live by a biblical system if they dont want too.
 
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I don't think the majority of America hates God, but there is a small, but growing, minority of people who do. Just locally, I've heard plenty of stories of Atheist being antagonistic toward Christians. Also, while Atheist have no belief, many do show prejudice towards Christians. You have to be blind not to see it, even C.S. Lewis acknowledged it some 60 years ago...

Atheists express their rage against God although in their view He does not exist. --C. S. Lewis
I'm not going to say that there aren't atheists that hate Christians. I've known some. But just as there are atheists that hate Christians, there are going to be Christians that hate atheists. No matter what group of people you have there are always going to be those that hate against them. It's human nature. However, I don't think most atheists have a hatred against Christians, and I think a lot - a lot, not all - Christians take an atheist's lack of belief as hate. That's just not the case.

And as far as atheists expressing rage against god, that's a little ridiculous because they have no belief in a god, how can they possibly hate or dislike one? If you have any emotion towards a god then you are, by definition, not an atheist.
 
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I'm not going to say that there aren't atheists that hate Christians. I've known some. But just as there are atheists that hate Christians, there are going to be Christians that hate atheists. No matter what group of people you have there are always going to be those that hate against them. It's human nature. However, I don't think most atheists have a hatred against Christians, and I think a lot - a lot, not all - Christians take an atheist's lack of belief as hate. That's just not the case.

And as far as atheists expressing rage against god, that's a little ridiculous because they have no belief in a god, how can they possibly hate or dislike one? If you have any emotion towards a god then you are, by definition, not an atheist.

If a Christian "hates" an Atheist, that doesn't make them much of a Christian in my book. I can disagree with someone's beliefs but that doesn't mean I hate them. I don't take the lack of belief as hate, I take their antagonistic communication with Christians as hate.

And Atheist do rage against God, they don't want anything to do with Christian principles and most complain at the drop of a hat with regard to anything relating to Christianity. That's why it seems ridiculous, because in their view he does not exist yet they are so antagonistic toward anything religious.
 
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And Republicans are very much lamenting their loss today and will continue to whine about this but what this just goes to show everyone is that the majority of people of this great country overwhelmingly chose to give our president Four More Years in office, despite how things are or stand, in order for him to finish the work he started and that hopefully he will not have any more obstruction from the House Republicans who have thwarted his wish to help the people of this country as he promised and has been trying to do. [/COLOR][/B]
When I see comments like this I usually translate them to "If it wasn't for those darn Republicans in the House Obama could pass anything he wanted and everything would be great". The problem is that to Democrats "compromise" means "The Republicans capitulate" and when they don't capitulate the Democrats paint them as obstructionists.

I'm sure that Republicans could be persuaded to agree to a slight bump in the upper tax rate in exchange for defense spending not being cut, but what will probably happen is Obama and the Democrats drop a plan that hikes the upper tax rate and cuts defense spending and say "Deal with it".
 
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When I see comments like this I usually translate them to "If it wasn't for those darn Republicans in the House Obama could pass anything he wanted and everything would be great". The problem is that to Democrats "compromise" means "The Republicans capitulate" and when they don't capitulate the Democrats paint them as obstructionists.
Yeah, it's amazing how people see having checks and balances as obstruction. I would never want to have the House, Senate, and Presidency as the same party. There would never be any checks and balances and either agenda would be pushed through without second thought.
 
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If a Christian "hates" an Atheist, that doesn't make them much of a Christian in my book. I can disagree with someone's beliefs but that doesn't mean I hate them. I don't take the lack of belief as hate, I take their antagonistic communication with Christians as hate.

And Atheist do rage against God, they don't want anything to do with Christian principles and most complain at the drop of a hat with regard to anything relating to Christianity. That's why it seems ridiculous, because in their view he does not exist yet they are so antagonistic toward anything religious.
Well I can't necessarily speak for your experience with atheists because I wasn't there. I have seen, though, atheists upset with Christians because they feel like beliefs are being forced on them, and when this happens time and time again I think atheists can become ill-tempered. However, if they're tracking down christians for an argument or being blatantly rude for no reason, then they might have a personal problem with Christians, and at that point it's probably best to just leave the conversation.

And as for atheists raging against god, I think what atheists are actually raging against is Christianity and it's followers. "they don't want anything to do with Christian principals". Well, yeah. They're not Christians so of course they don't want anything to do with Christian principals. That's not a problem with god, that's just a different opinion and value system.
 
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And as for atheists raging against god, I think what atheists are actually raging against is Christianity and it's followers. "they don't want anything to do with Christian principals". Well, yeah. They're not Christians so of course they don't want anything to do with Christian principals. That's not a problem with god, that's just a different opinion and value system.
That is a problem with God though, as God and Christianity are synonymous with each other.
 
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Okay, if you say so, but I think even to an Atheist it's synonymous. Of course, we'd just have to agree to disagree. lol
How could it possibly be? Atheists don't believe in god. Period. They have no problem with god because they don't think there is one. Bad example, but to put it in perspective it's like someone trying to convince you the tooth fairy is real. You tell them you don't believe in the tooth fairy, and they respond by saying you must hate the tooth fairy. Of course you don't hate the tooth fairy. Why would you hate something that's not real? Does that make sense?
 
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How could it possibly be? Atheists don't believe in god. Period. They have no problem with god because they don't think there is one. Bad example, but to put it in perspective it's like someone trying to convince you the tooth fairy is real. You tell them you don't believe in the tooth fairy, and they respond by saying you must hate the tooth fairy. Of course you don't hate the tooth fairy. Why would you hate something that's not real? Does that make sense?
Well, even if they don't believe in God they know that Christianity is based upon a belief in God. Therefore, if they don't agree with Christianity (which they don't) then, in turn, it would be that they don't agree with God as no matter if they believe it or not there is a God.
 
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Well, even if they don't believe in God they know that Christianity is based upon a belief in God. Therefore, if they don't agree with Christianity (which they don't) then, in turn, it would be that they don't agree with God as no matter if they believe it or not there is a God.
Well, most atheists I talk to say their problem lies with Christians, not the religion itself, but I do see your point. I guess it's just important to keep in mind that atheists don't directly have a problem with god, at least in their eyes.
 
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Lol really? America doesn't hate god. Nearly 80% of Americans are Christian, and a little less than 5% aren't Christian but still worship some kind of god. Only roughly 16% don't consider themselves theists, and they don't HATE god, they have no belief. I genuinely don't understand what people are talking about when they say Americans "hate god", so if you can please educate me on your opinion I'd love to hear more.
I am a bucket so therefor on the census I should be listed as a bucket because I claim to be a bucket.
 
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The electoral college was created BY the people of America, like it or not. And that is the LEGAL way we elect our president since it's the Law of the Land therefore, it's done. Please don't cry over spilled milk!
hey monkey pants I wasn't crying over spilled milk I was saying that the electoral college is ultimately what makes the decision not the people. in essence one can when the popular vote and still lose the presidency. So don't get your boxers in a wedgie so fast
 
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Yeah, it's amazing how people see having checks and balances as obstruction. I would never want to have the House, Senate, and Presidency as the same party. There would never be any checks and balances and either agenda would be pushed through without second thought.
I know, and what amazes me is that people (including my parents) will buy into this "Republican Obstruction" argument. When they wouldn't have to be obstructionists if Obama would actually try to meet them somewhere in the middle. Honestly despite Obama's talk he's probably the least flexible president in recent history. Bush and Clinton both worked with a Congress that was completely controlled by the opposing party, and they got things done, so Obama has no excuse in my mind.
 

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hey monkey pants I wasn't crying over spilled milk I was saying that the electoral college is ultimately what makes the decision not the people. in essence one can when the popular vote and still lose the presidency. So don't get your boxers in a wedgie so fast
well this time Obama won both electoral and popular. Face out conservatism is a dying principle, thank God.