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you see they filled in the vowels,they took the line from above it,,,,,,,,that is they drew lines all above it,,
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If this is to me, I totally lost you. Where is it from, what does it relate to (other than the current topic, obviously).
 
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yes arithmos,",,he said no,,,use math,,,,,they took it out when they reduced it to "abrieviations",,,,,,,,,,,,"he argued the same point"....."put arithmos back!!!",,,,look what he said 600,60,6,,,use greek math!,,,,,he didnt like that they did not,
 
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vowels,,,when they took the book of rev. they supplied the whole words,,then reduced them to "abbreviations and put the lines above them",,,,irenaeus said no!,,,dont calculate it and write it down in your copy of the book of revalations,do it exactly the same way john gave it!,,,
 
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I was examining all options. 1. It's a word. 2. It's an abbreviation, 3. It's a number. Lack of arithmos is a problem for options 1 and 2. Not for option 3.

Lines present or absent did not seem to help us decide if it is/is not a number.

So I said:

1. If you think it's a word, please explain what arithmos is doing in the verse.
2. If you think it's an abbreviation, explain what arithmos is doing in the verse.
3 If it's a number, arithmos belongs there. I don't need any explanation.

I think it's a number. I was trying to see if you agreed. If it's a number we can move on to is 666 the right number, or is 616? When you quoted Iranaeus, I thought you agreed it is a number. Your quote from Iranaeus suggests you do, but I am still not sure.
 
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not me and you ken,what were they debating about?,,,,
 
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i have to stop and let you think,,,you are very smart ken,,,,,,,,,,
 
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look close at irenaeus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"if",,,,,,,you are wrong then you will fall to your own wisdom,,,,,,"if",,,616,is wrong,,,,,,,,,
 
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6 6 6 is the 6th seal the 6th vial and the 6th Trump. Now you simple have to understand what happens there. When you read it, It shows how Satan is coming to this earth. And what he will be doing here.
 
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6 6 6 is the 6th seal the 6th vial and the 6th Trump. Now you simple have to understand what happens there. When you read it, It shows how Satan is coming to this earth. And what he will be doing here.
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Nice observation.
You notice they all line up? 1st, 1st, 1st, escalation.
2nd, 2nd, 2nd, escalation.
Etc.

One seal, one trumpet, one plague, one thunder.

"But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."
 
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The beast dwells closer to home!

Let he who looks IN THE RIGHT PLACE keep record of the number of the beasts.

Look within and take hold of the deceptions. Continue to count.

They are abundant.

Kingdom of God = Inside the temple
 
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Notice 6 being the true revelation of the beast and 7 being the last number.

7 seals.

The last to ascend.

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Who is last?
 
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7 = perfection/completion in Gods creation
7-1= 6 falls short by one

Taking away from something perfect dimishes its glory
Hence why God will not diminish himself to our level to be in the presence of sin; we must ourselves meet his standards
...not expect to have God meet ours
Also is why if anyone takes away from his perfect word will be punished
(removing what they dont like to satisfy tickling ears)
One cannot improve upon perfection therefore as well the reason why anyone adding to his word will also be punished
(self exaltation)
We know that anyone who exalts themself will be humbled, as anyone who humbles themself will be exalted

Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to his words,
or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Other instances of the same (Deuteronomy 4:2 Deuteronomy 12:32; Rev 22:18-19)

Can anyone calculate what is the one thing Missing which causes man to fall short of perfection
We have
1.body
2.spirit
3. soul
4. The Father
5. Christ
6. Free will
7............................................

Here are some scriptural hints :) Happy hunting
Matthew 5:48
Matthew 19:21
1 Cor 13:2
Mark 3:29
1 John 4:8
 
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God's standards cannot be met by us sinners.

Adam for Adams, with power over death achieved.

The first to resurrect, the judger of men. Yet forgiver and saviour of men.

First will be last.

All eyes shall see. The resurector followed by the resurrected.

Paul, worst of men becoming a man of the very prophecy of love itself.

A change shall happen.

Irony that complete love be met with complete denial of it.

The blind are not who you may think.

The beast does not dwell were you presume.

The day is coming though.

'Not a raised voice, nor any use of fear'

Bronze burnished feet. Double edged sword.

Who shall be first and who shall be last?

Who is made last by themselves and who is made last by ignorance of themselves.

Eating swine's flesh. No law can cover bad moral.

No sacrifice can cover consequence.

The chance will be had. And the reflection will be cleared.

The blindness will cease.

'Truly, this man is the Son of God'.
 
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Basically, although we have free will ... When every eye sees and every ear hears, we'll all be the same. Awestruck and willing
 
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kenisyes said:
I was examining all options. 1. It's a word. 2. It's an abbreviation, 3. It's a number. Lack of arithmos is a problem for options 1 and 2. Not for option 3.

Lines present or absent did not seem to help us decide if it is/is not a number.

So I said:

1. If you think it's a word, please explain what arithmos is doing in the verse.
2. If you think it's an abbreviation, explain what arithmos is doing in the verse.
3 If it's a number, arithmos belongs there. I don't need any explanation.

I think it's a number. I was trying to see if you agreed. If it's a number we can move on to is 666 the right number, or is 616? When you quoted Iranaeus, I thought you agreed it is a number. Your quote from Iranaeus suggests you do, but I am still not sure.
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sorry it took me till now i had to research to find where i found these. the they i was peaking of is polycarp,irenaeus,and valens(valentinus?) the bishop of alexandria,pollycarpus in the letter to the Philippians said of him "he had fell to Coventry",he went on to say "hold them not as enemy's" but as weaker brothers and then to admonish them as brothers. Polycarp wrote this about ad 165. Irenaeus wrote his ah letters ten or so years later,in book one ch.3;9-10 he states about the same "they used iota,eta, namely iota because the lords name "Ihsuses" began with "iota,eta",they(the followers of valens) used the letters to provide proof as to their own beliefs. they in the beginning believed on Christ then went astray. iota=10,hence "616",,, pull back up "papyrus 115",and look close, "eta" the second letter of the lords name in Greek proceeds chi,iota,stigma and they put lines above them to denote "abbreviation",,,,so,eta,H,,,then 616 "just like Irenaeus was arguing" so it is an copy of the "autograph"(original book of revaluations)but valens was rearranging it to suit himself. and in the early church fathers writings they were addressing it.(notice as you read through irenaeus he states he read several commentaries),,they,(valens)wrote,,,,"this completely removes the manuscripts that state 616",,,now you can not go left or right you can only go "right",,think the way you always do disprove everything i said,,,"i respect it",,,,,,,,notice they(valens)filled in the vowels when they drew a line above it?
 
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sorry it took me till now i had to research to find where i found these. the they i was peaking of is polycarp,irenaeus,and valens(valentinus?) the bishop of alexandria,pollycarpus in the letter to the Philippians said of him "he had fell to Coventry",he went on to say "hold them not as enemy's" but as weaker brothers and then to admonish them as brothers. Polycarp wrote this about ad 165. Irenaeus wrote his ah letters ten or so years later,in book one ch.3;9-10 he states about the same "they used iota,eta, namely iota because the lords name "Ihsuses" began with "iota,eta",they(the followers of valens) used the letters to provide proof as to their own beliefs. they in the beginning believed on Christ then went astray. iota=10,hence "616",,, pull back up "papyrus 115",and look close, "eta" the second letter of the lords name in Greek proceeds chi,iota,stigma and they put lines above them to denote "abbreviation",,,,so,eta,H,,,then 616 "just like Irenaeus was arguing" so it is an copy of the "autograph"(original book of revaluations)but valens was rearranging it to suit himself. and in the early church fathers writings they were addressing it.(notice as you read through irenaeus he states he read several commentaries),,they,(valens)wrote,,,,"this completely removes the manuscripts that state 616",,,now you can not go left or right you can only go "right",,think the way you always do disprove everything i said,,,"i respect it",,,,,,,,notice they(valens)filled in the vowels when they drew a line above it?
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Marvelous piece of research you did. I assumed it was copying error. You certainly have shown that there was a group that did it deliberately. I'm not trying to disprove whatever you say; just trying to get to the truth.
 
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Marvelous piece of research you did. I assumed it was copying error. You certainly have shown that there was a group that did it deliberately. I'm not trying to disprove whatever you say; just trying to get to the truth.
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Irenaeus also stated to them that if it were an scribal error "the lord would forgive",,,but,that if they mistranslated it,,they calculating an improper name would both lead astray,and they(valens followers) would be deceived "receive the mark",,,,"this raises several questions",,that is when the "arithmetic is done" Irenaeus stated "it would cause them to receive it",so it's not only exclusive to mine and you days,,,they were endanger of it also. and remember in an older post "Jesus or yoshuah?",,"iota,eta" he went by the Greek name. and the arithmetic of "Irenaeus",,,add,subtract,multiply? in his own reasoning of the mark he stated "chi=noah was 600,,,the idol was 60 cubits high by six cubits",,,symbols?,,,"the answer is not the problem,the solution is",,,but today "pick apart everything i said",everyone on cc will see it.,,,,,and it will exclude the "left",,,you see it because you've done the homework,,help me pull up the papyrus 115 and "disprove it",,,help me prove it's real and why,,,"i am in the midst of loving you",,,,,
 
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one more thing,,,Joshua 24;3,"other side of the flood",,Joshua 24;14-15,,,,,the head of the beast slain by the sword of the lords mouth,,,"when Noah was 600",,, "on the other side of the flood",,,,
 
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this is confusing to me i ask that someone who was "learned in the common Greek",,,,,,come and help,there were very many who gave it,yet i ask a basic question in Greek. and every man who was a Greek professor does not respond.,,,where are the Greek professors when i ask for help?in all reality i am an infant,or do i stand alone?,,,,,,,,,,i ask for your help,'i needed it",,,,,,,,,,
 
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