Religious Spin Doctors

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What is a spin doctor? A spin doctor is a political press agent or publicist employed to promote a favourable interpretation of events to journalists. Such agents not only promote a certain agenda for people to believe, they will also promote any agenda to persuade others of what NOT to believe. In other words, they will say anything to get you to believe their interpretation of news happening in the world. They will also say anything to condemn a worldview that is not of their choosing. To do this, they will quote other spin doctors who are promoting the same things. When they and their "guest speakers" come to the same conclusion, the public is convinced that it is truth.
This "spinning" process has found its way into the church. When we view some TV "ministries", we find people preaching their agenda to promote wealth for themselves. Their shows are not much different than Fox news. They also invite "guest speakers"on their show who agree with their agenda, convincing their audience that their message is true.
Is this a sin? Absolutely! In 2 Peter 2:1-3, it says "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not." There are those on national TV that make merchandise of deceived people every day. There are also leaders in local congregations that do the same thing on a smaller scale. But regardless of the scale, it is an abomination.
Let's drop the scale another notch. There are also spin doctors in Christian chat rooms, whose purpose is to deceive the people into believing whatever their agenda is. They will make all the big claims, such as "We believe Scripture interprets Scripture", and "There is no private interpretation of Scripture". Yet they will debate with other chatters humiliating them with accusations, twisting their statements, question their motives, insinuating that they are the false teachers! Normally I would think that those promoting wrong views are just doing so ignorantly. But when they go to extremes to belittle the ones they're debating with, it's obvious what they're trying to do.
Do I believe that everyone who does this means to do so for evil purposes? Absolutely not! But when someone uses such tactics, doing whatever is necessary to prove that they are right, what then is the difference? If we use the world's methods, such as those on Fox news, what should we expect people to think? To win debates with evil methods is a sin, plain and simple. To destroy a Christian's character is a sin. To bash a person's belief publicly for the sake of winning is a sin. If we are held in high esteem while we promote such things, we also lead others astray with our example. I will not dare say "What would Jesus do?", but rather "What will God do to those who do such things?"
Religious spin doctors prove by their fruits who they are. They obviously do not fear the Lord. We as Christians should NEVER agree with or be found siding with someone who has no fear of God in their hearts. 1 Corinthians 5:6 says, "Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?"
Every Christian is to "prove all things", starting first with their integrity and motives, not their theology. Our evidence should be a loving heart and a humble spirit. Anything else reveals impure motives, thus corrupting our message. Our best talent in proving the truth is having the image of Christ in us. To prove doctrine without Jesus having the preeminence in your life is like handing a three-year old a machine gun with the safety off. It will only destroy anyone you point it at.
 
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You just described the Pharisees to the letter. If anyone wants a Biblical example just read about the Pharisees.
 
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I'm bringing this back to the top because there were not many responses. Just giving everyone another chance to read it.:)
 
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Stephen there is so many that are taught to teach what they heard on a Sunday.... Like ALL SHOULD BE TEACHERS.... I find there is WAY TO MANY teachers today, that is why 99,9999% of them is this false teachers...

If a false teacher with a congrgation of around 20 000 get them all siked up with a big band rocking Gospel and then getting all slow in "worshipping" playing on feelings and whoozing them off to tears... Then at the end he says.... You are all called to spread the gospel.... Man this is when you hear how the Holy Spirit told Mary, and Jane, and Sue and Jack.... to bla bla bla all jinds of sick twisted gospel to all they come across. And that church grows worldwide....

What did the Bible teach? My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
There are WAY TOO MANY masters appointed by people and false teachers (masters themselves) Way too many! And how should we deal with them? Are they Christians? Or are they the ones that brings the stumbling blocks, with their teachers that is soft on the itching ears. It is Ok if you sin, you are only human, we cannot be perfect, nobody is perfect... AHHHH!! Great news, soft on my sinning itching ears... Like water to a thirsty throut... Did not taste the POISON though.

How should these people be handled? God says we should not even greet them. And if they insist on conversation... should we... Tit_1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
Stephen I have always asked this question.... God said there would be many false teachers and they will mislead many.... MANY people.... Who are these teachers and who are these many people? They have one thing in common.... FALSE!!!! If I can only know the Truth, shall I know the FALSE? YES! At least it looks like the Truth does not need reprove, or rebuke. looks like they are Spotless and PURE and Holy... ALL the others like myself should maybe NOT TEACH and keep our mouths shut and let the MASTERS teach God's Truth to us!

You are a MASTER are you not? What do you say about my input on this subject?
 

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I believe in God.

Dinosaurs did exist and the evolution of earth withape like creatures becoming mankind today did happen.

Any other opinion could only be that of a "Religious Spin Doctor"

Matt
 
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I believe in God.

Dinosaurs did exist and the evolution of earth withape like creatures becoming mankind today did happen.

Any other opinion could only be that of a "Religious Spin Doctor"

Matt
You would be far better off to say... "I believe in God, and I BELIEVE dinosaurs existed and man developed from apelike creatures"

By making an absolute statement that, "evolution from apelike creatures DID happen". You present your belief as a matter of historical FACT, alluding to if anyone doesn't know this or agree... they are in error.
There is no archeological evidence to demonstrate this, the bible reads otherwise "god created man in his image" not "God created man in a rudementary image". To be completely candid, it took many years in the "renewing your mind" process to dispose of the philosphy of evolution and cavemen in the light of scripture.It can be emotionally and intellectually traumatizing when the Holy Spirit points to a life-long value of belief and says "dig that root out".

Ultimately it is my opinion that being unwilling to be a lifelong "learner" in the renewing process will cause a believer to steer off course. You can spend your years defending "what you THINK" with considerable conjecture on your part... or pray the Holy Spirit's help and accept what the scripture says.
 
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The Bible declares that we should rebuke and expose false teachers.​
Ephesians 5:11 NASB Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;
Titus 1:10-14 For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain. 12 One of themselves, a prophet of their own, said, "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons." 13 This testimony is true. For this reason reprove them severely so that they may be sound in the faith, 14 not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth.


Dealing with false teachers isn't it is easy as it looks. Notice the next Scripture:​
2 Corinthians 11:12-15 12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

In Paul's day, there were those who had abilities to fool the churches by the use of demonic power. In the Corinthian church, these false teachers and apostles were so bad that they almost had the entire congregation believing that Paul wasn't a true apostle. They did so by taking advantage of Paul's lack of eloquence, using it against him.
An important part of teaching and preaching is to reveal this truth to the congregation. But be prepared. Many will not hear you because they are already deceived. They do not see the spiritual side of this issue.​
1 Corinthians 2:12-14 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 

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You would be far better off to say... "I believe in God, and I BELIEVE dinosaurs existed and man developed from apelike creatures"

By making an absolute statement that, "evolution from apelike creatures DID happen". You present your belief as a matter of historical FACT, alluding to if anyone doesn't know this or agree... they are in error.
There is no archeological evidence to demonstrate this, the bible reads otherwise "god created man in his image" not "God created man in a rudementary image". To be completely candid, it took many years in the "renewing your mind" process to dispose of the philosphy of evolution and cavemen in the light of scripture.It can be emotionally and intellectually traumatizing when the Holy Spirit points to a life-long value of belief and says "dig that root out".

Ultimately it is my opinion that being unwilling to be a lifelong "learner" in the renewing process will cause a believer to steer off course. You can spend your years defending "what you THINK" with considerable conjecture on your part... or pray the Holy Spirit's help and accept what the scripture says.
Lol, please don't try and reinterpret my original comment with naive banter.

I question how well your children could perform at a Harvard, Cambridge, mit, Princeton or Yale with the lack lustre evolution you provided above,

I pray for modern Christians like you that just don't seem to get what god is about.

Matt
 
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Steven this seems all too vague to me. The chat rooms have
way more than 2 opinions cutting down the other. All think they are right.

The verses you are displaying ive seen used as personaly gratifying
weapons of comfort by all sides, to use against the other.

Can you simplify possibly by telling how you really feel.
And possibly tell what positions you think is false and why?
 
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Steven this seems all too vague to me. The chat rooms have
way more than 2 opinions cutting down the other. All think they are right.

The verses you are displaying ive seen used as personaly gratifying
weapons of comfort by all sides, to use against the other.

Can you simplify possibly by telling how you really feel.
And possibly tell what positions you think is false and why?
when you say "positions", do you mean offices? Please explain.
 
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Lol, please don't try and reinterpret my original comment with naive banter.

I question how well your children could perform at a Harvard, Cambridge, mit, Princeton or Yale with the lack lustre evolution you provided above,

I pray for modern Christians like you that just don't seem to get what god is about.

Matt

I'm sorry...that was uncalled for...
 
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when you say "positions", do you mean offices? Please explain.

Seems to me what you said in the op is true.

My point is all sides of each doctrinal position will
make this claim of the opposing position, its like politics.

So the bottom line has to be the doctrine..or you wouldnt care.
so im asking: what is it at stake here? what doctrinal positions
do you hold that you feel are being attacked by the spin doctors?
 
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What is a spin doctor?
What awesome timing for your thread OP.
Here is a video I saw just last night. I had no idea it was this bad, though I should have.
I guess I did, I just never thought about it as vividly as the video suggests.
The video touches on how a certain religious "leader" took part in the spin.

Documentary on how the media lies to manipulate us - YouTube
 
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Stephen the decietful acts in Paul's time continue today... Look at the evil power of people swiping hands or jackets over crowds and they fall to the floor, or out their chairs. Man that is so fake as it comes, yet many does it. I saw a footwashing on a stage where the acting was real bad and yet many people hung on every word and action these clowns performed.

I went to the front of a service.. and alter-call one day where a South American preacher preached here in Africa, He laid hands on the people and they fell backwards, and the "ushers" would catch them and lay them down softly. I prayed to the Lord and said... Lord if it is thou will let me also fall down, if not, I will not be moved..... Then the fella laid his hand on my forehead and I stood, he pressed a bit harder but only my neck only got thicker as I pressed back. There was NO Godly power in the hands. So he passed by and went to the next man. This one also took a dive backwards... I did a Bible study and found one place where a king fell backwards, he broke his neck and died!

I also found a place when the people came to arrest Jesus, and they STEPPED back and FELL to the ground. They were all the evil men that wanted to kill Jesus, but they still fell down, and that was to proof that NO PERSON took the life of our Lord, but that HE GAVE His life.

This falling today is clowning and from an evil source, because it is not Biblical. When the people could not remain standing when the cloud came over the tabernackle, they ALL could not remain standing and NOBODY caught them. They did not fall backwards but went to their knees, as the Word says... EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW!

But that is just one action of MANY false power these people has, did God not ay they would perform or show many signs and wonders ....and they will decieve many, EVEN IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, to decieve the elect. I saw a false minister heal a docter's hip in the Alpha coarse. Does the wonders they do and the power God gave them make them righteouss? Nope, they are as evil as they were before the works were done.

Fortunately they CANNOT decieve the elect, for the elect KNOW the Truth and the Truth set them free from deciet AS WELL!
 
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Seems to me what you said in the op is true.

My point is all sides of each doctrinal position will
make this claim of the opposing position, its like politics.

So the bottom line has to be the doctrine..or you wouldnt care.
so im asking: what is it at stake here? what doctrinal positions
do you hold that you feel are being attacked by the spin doctors?
Actually, my intent is not to harp on any one particular doctrine, but to open the eyes of readers who may not understand how this is happening in the church. Using the Scriptures, I point out the how the apostle Paul was dealing with it in the Corinthian church, then relate to how this is still happening in the modern church. There are many false doctrines that spin doctors use, but to name them in the forum would probably just open up a can of worms.
 
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Red Wiggler – the Cadillac of Worms
With God as my witness...i thought turkeys could fly!
 
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If a poll was taken, I wonder just how many Christians really don't know how bad the false teacher problem is.
 
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Just how bad is the false teacher problem in the modern day church? In CC?
 
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He says not different than Fox news while leaving MSNBC out. Looks to me like a Democrat spinning his own way while accusing others of doing the same thing he is doing. There's a word for that. It starts with an H.