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Dear friends,
One of the more obscure concepts found in Scripture is the fact that God acknowledges that before children reach a certain age, they are unable to differentiate between what is good and what is not. In Deuteronomy, He told the Israelites, "And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad—they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it." (Deuteronomy 1:39, emphasis added) And in Isaiah, He said, "He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste." (Isaiah 7:16, emphasis added)
By definition, since God is a loving and merciful God, we must believe that He would never punish a child who did not know that he was comitting a sin. Therefore, I believe that the answer to the original question posed in this thread is a resounding "No". Children will not go to hell for playing.
God bless you all.
One of the more obscure concepts found in Scripture is the fact that God acknowledges that before children reach a certain age, they are unable to differentiate between what is good and what is not. In Deuteronomy, He told the Israelites, "And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad—they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it." (Deuteronomy 1:39, emphasis added) And in Isaiah, He said, "He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste." (Isaiah 7:16, emphasis added)
By definition, since God is a loving and merciful God, we must believe that He would never punish a child who did not know that he was comitting a sin. Therefore, I believe that the answer to the original question posed in this thread is a resounding "No". Children will not go to hell for playing.
God bless you all.
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wow... those scriptures are about making an IDOL and IDOL worship...
a Christmas tree is just a tree, no one bows down and worship or prays to it.
No more then they bow down and worshiped a Jewish menorah.
"What "profits" taught of the OT?"
lol you got jokes. I was going to answer it but then read the statement and realized what you were commenting on.
I was going to say: Prophets taught the OT and its important to learn because it tells of prophecy and the shadows that Jesus fulfilled in His life.
a Christmas tree is just a tree, no one bows down and worship or prays to it.
No more then they bow down and worshiped a Jewish menorah.
"What "profits" taught of the OT?"
lol you got jokes. I was going to answer it but then read the statement and realized what you were commenting on.
I was going to say: Prophets taught the OT and its important to learn because it tells of prophecy and the shadows that Jesus fulfilled in His life.
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A good man I know was acting as tutorial.
If his charachter christian and messy but in truth he is christian but he is not messy.
He smoked even his body was smoking but in reality he does not smoke.
Agree kids tying up unconcented is not ok.
This has occurred where meat is tied up on only one of the children even using advanced methods so cant be seen and then other children taking advantage of situation.
But teaching children to "play good" when "adults" the "parents" dont and parents are bullies ..........
Thats when other more professional and mature adults need step in and take over the supervising so bullying does not occur.
Sometimes the adults may bully with there children to promote there children and the bullied ones are seen as lazy or mad and if they complain to authorities they are told they are delusional.
Untill other adults witness it fully and see they are not delusional.
Lie detector....some pass them.
Seen that tv series " lie to me".
I only saw it twice but was good.
A man can see when someone lies.
They can pass lie detectors but not him.
He knows and hen works as some typ detective.
Not sure if still showing it.
Perhaps stay up past my bedtime to see it if was.
If his charachter christian and messy but in truth he is christian but he is not messy.
He smoked even his body was smoking but in reality he does not smoke.
Agree kids tying up unconcented is not ok.
This has occurred where meat is tied up on only one of the children even using advanced methods so cant be seen and then other children taking advantage of situation.
But teaching children to "play good" when "adults" the "parents" dont and parents are bullies ..........
Thats when other more professional and mature adults need step in and take over the supervising so bullying does not occur.
Sometimes the adults may bully with there children to promote there children and the bullied ones are seen as lazy or mad and if they complain to authorities they are told they are delusional.
Untill other adults witness it fully and see they are not delusional.
Lie detector....some pass them.
Seen that tv series " lie to me".
I only saw it twice but was good.
A man can see when someone lies.
They can pass lie detectors but not him.
He knows and hen works as some typ detective.
Not sure if still showing it.
Perhaps stay up past my bedtime to see it if was.
Feels good to get that off my chest
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simply "no" children are not going to hell for pretending to be you or a nurse or a teacher .....as long as you have taught your children not to ever lie when they know the truth ...and you enforce the game as being practice for life career choices in your own mind . Trust God with Your children please ...dedicate them to Jesus He can be with them from that point on ...always . you are responsible for what they get exposed to ...tv/movies/ games ......"bad in bad out "reading books and real life documentary's " build their foundation on truth not fantasy. there is a implication here that we as adults using user names that are not our legal given names are lying........just how far do we want to take this ?
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I completely agree. Using screen names is bad. But sadly, if you use real names or other truths, then you're labelled as evil. For example, my niece asked me if her kitty that died was in Heaven. Normally, people say "yes" but cats don't have souls. Yet when I say that I explained to her that animals don't have souls because God doesn't love them like he does people and because of that the animal is just decomposing into the ground and nothing else, people view that as "mean". Why? Is it better to be nice and a liar than to be right according to God's law?
One tiny point I noticed nobody haven't yet said about pretending. When children play and pretending to be whatever they say they DO know they are not that in rea, they don't expect anyone believe they are really what they sayl and everyone around them knows it's theater and roleplay, and that is not lying.
But if they would tell that they really are something they are not and try make people to believe it. That is lie.
ps. And I don't recommend certain "misleading actions" either that makes some people believe you are serious even you are / were not.
But if they would tell that they really are something they are not and try make people to believe it. That is lie.
ps. And I don't recommend certain "misleading actions" either that makes some people believe you are serious even you are / were not.
This truly seems to be accurately reporting God’s ways. Yet, our entire universe is operated by divine laws, and if children break them I don’t think God says they don’t count because of the age of the person breaking the law.
I think it is silly to say a little child is breaking a divine law when he is play acting. God gives a child the ability to play act as a help in maturing. I think it could be that a little child is going against how our world operates if he wants to harm another person, or carries resentment toward a person.
I didn’t like anything about my mother when I met her when I was five. She didn’t like me, either, but we had to live together. We both paid dearly for being so critical of each other even though we are both forgiven.
I think it is silly to say a little child is breaking a divine law when he is play acting. God gives a child the ability to play act as a help in maturing. I think it could be that a little child is going against how our world operates if he wants to harm another person, or carries resentment toward a person.
I didn’t like anything about my mother when I met her when I was five. She didn’t like me, either, but we had to live together. We both paid dearly for being so critical of each other even though we are both forgiven.
K
It is not for us to imagine that we can prove the truth of Christianity by our own arguments; nobody can prove the truth of Christianity except the Holy Spirit, by his own almighty work of renewing the blinded heart.
It is the sovereign prerogative of Christ’s Spirit to convince men’s consciences of the truth of Christ’s gospel; and Christ’s human witnesses must learn to ground their hopes of success not on clever presentation of the truth by man, but on powerful demonstration of the truth by the Spirit ( Packer JI )
It is the sovereign prerogative of Christ’s Spirit to convince men’s consciences of the truth of Christ’s gospel; and Christ’s human witnesses must learn to ground their hopes of success not on clever presentation of the truth by man, but on powerful demonstration of the truth by the Spirit ( Packer JI )
Smithbr8: I've read through all of the post in this thread, and I've noticed that you're only listening to what you want to hear. Only taking the pieces of the conversation that will add to your point... How is that right? How is that honest even?
If you seriously believe that pretending or role playing is lying, then I'm going to tell you that borrowing something from your neighbor (even if you asked) is stealing. It makes just as much sense.
Honestly, I don't know how on earth you could come up with such a ridiculous idea.
No one is asking you to worship them, no one is trying to tell you to follow them, no one is telling you half of the things you've come up with.
My 12 year old brother fights like this, this discussion is never going to reach a conclusion if you don't listen. Lawyers fight like this, and it's flawed... Very flawed.
You can't learn if you're not listening. Seriously. I don't think I'd ever want to argue like a 12 year old, or a lawyer, but that's just me.
Children are allowed to pretend, and play, and build their imaginations, it's good, and even healthy for them.
I don't expect that for playing, when you were younger, you'll get sent to hell, that's absolutely ridiculous. I used to pretend, am I going to hell? I'm failing to see the logic in any reason you or I should.
Telling your children there is a Santa, is completely different, you're a grown person, you know better. You may be "pretending" that there is one, but they don't understand it like that. They know that when they tell you, "I'm the mommy", you know they aren't. But they don't know that there is no Santa.
I've never been told there was a Santa, I didn't grow up with that, I was never told there was an Easter Bunny, or a Tooth Fairy, or a Sandman. I don't know what that would do to children, and I'm not about to try it on my children.
You are probably going to only take half of what I said, and use what ever I said to your advantage, and that's fine, what I've said still stands. If you only listened to half of it, then I'll know to quit trying to get you to be logical about this. I hope that if that happens, others will save themselves the trouble, and do the same.
If you seriously believe that pretending or role playing is lying, then I'm going to tell you that borrowing something from your neighbor (even if you asked) is stealing. It makes just as much sense.
Honestly, I don't know how on earth you could come up with such a ridiculous idea.
No one is asking you to worship them, no one is trying to tell you to follow them, no one is telling you half of the things you've come up with.
My 12 year old brother fights like this, this discussion is never going to reach a conclusion if you don't listen. Lawyers fight like this, and it's flawed... Very flawed.
You can't learn if you're not listening. Seriously. I don't think I'd ever want to argue like a 12 year old, or a lawyer, but that's just me.
Children are allowed to pretend, and play, and build their imaginations, it's good, and even healthy for them.
I don't expect that for playing, when you were younger, you'll get sent to hell, that's absolutely ridiculous. I used to pretend, am I going to hell? I'm failing to see the logic in any reason you or I should.
Telling your children there is a Santa, is completely different, you're a grown person, you know better. You may be "pretending" that there is one, but they don't understand it like that. They know that when they tell you, "I'm the mommy", you know they aren't. But they don't know that there is no Santa.
I've never been told there was a Santa, I didn't grow up with that, I was never told there was an Easter Bunny, or a Tooth Fairy, or a Sandman. I don't know what that would do to children, and I'm not about to try it on my children.
You are probably going to only take half of what I said, and use what ever I said to your advantage, and that's fine, what I've said still stands. If you only listened to half of it, then I'll know to quit trying to get you to be logical about this. I hope that if that happens, others will save themselves the trouble, and do the same.
S
Nice to know yet another person decides I'm not worth their time.
Attempting to continue a conversation utilizing all parts of your conversation, however to simply say "You opinion doesn't matter at all, I'm right you're wrong" then....there's no room for discussion. I'm not saying I'm right. Hence, the questions. It's a discussion. Your move if you wish to continue the discussion, go ahead.
Attempting to continue a conversation utilizing all parts of your conversation, however to simply say "You opinion doesn't matter at all, I'm right you're wrong" then....there's no room for discussion. I'm not saying I'm right. Hence, the questions. It's a discussion. Your move if you wish to continue the discussion, go ahead.
K
lie
1 /laɪ/ Show Spelled [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
4. the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object) 5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
6. to express what is false; convey a false impression.
1 /laɪ/ Show Spelled [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
4. the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object) 5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
6. to express what is false; convey a false impression.
No, they won't.
The results of the chaff being burned are eternal. the smoke rises for eternity. The fire isn't quenched. The worm dieth not. All references to the fire's eternal nature. The punishment happens, all sin is burned up, and the results are a smoke that rises for eternity. Ie. The person never sins again.
Nobody's going to fire for eternity. We're (most of us) going to AN ETERNAL FIRE, but not for eternity.
God is as a consuming fire. Ever heard that script?
Nobody is sinless in life. and all people need to be made clean. Cause God can't look in the direction of sin.
If even Christians are gonna be with him, we all need to be purged of sin, completely.
Simple and plain. I'm sick of beating round the bush.
Jesus died for sins. Holds the keys to hades. And will be the one burning it all up.
'Death and victory have been defeated'.
'Every knee will bow'.
'And I heard every creature in the earth and in the sea singing 'Praise and Glory be unto the Lamb forever and ever'.
'the restitution of all things', is what revelation is about.
The results of the chaff being burned are eternal. the smoke rises for eternity. The fire isn't quenched. The worm dieth not. All references to the fire's eternal nature. The punishment happens, all sin is burned up, and the results are a smoke that rises for eternity. Ie. The person never sins again.
Nobody's going to fire for eternity. We're (most of us) going to AN ETERNAL FIRE, but not for eternity.
God is as a consuming fire. Ever heard that script?
Nobody is sinless in life. and all people need to be made clean. Cause God can't look in the direction of sin.
If even Christians are gonna be with him, we all need to be purged of sin, completely.
Simple and plain. I'm sick of beating round the bush.
Jesus died for sins. Holds the keys to hades. And will be the one burning it all up.
'Death and victory have been defeated'.
'Every knee will bow'.
'And I heard every creature in the earth and in the sea singing 'Praise and Glory be unto the Lamb forever and ever'.
'the restitution of all things', is what revelation is about.