Luther & Calvin's Catholic Connection

[Crossfire]

Was going to attach a video here. Having trouble getting it to show up. Here's the link to the video:

Dave Hunt - What Love is This? - YouTube

 

[Crossfire]

[video=youtube;jV1dn3o6eOQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV1dn3o6eOQ[/video]

In this video Dave Hunt is discussing what he believes to be the many pitfalls of Calvinism. At 28 minutes and 42 seconds he begins to discuss the origins of Calvinism, it's connection to Lutheranism and how both rely heavily on the writing of Saint Augustine who was a highly celebrated and devote Catholic.

 

[Abiding]

tulip is a flower silly wabbit

 

[rauleetoe]

[video=youtube;jV1dn3o6eOQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV1dn3o6eOQ[/video]

In this video Dave Hunt is discussing what he believes to be the many pitfalls of Calvinism. At 28 minutes and 42 seconds he begins to discuss the origins of Calvinism, it's connection to Lutheranism and how both rely heavily on the writing of Saint Augustine who was a highly celebrated and devote Catholic.

I am glad you made this post/thread..as many who are calvinist are ironically also very, if not extremely anti catholic themselves. Yet the fact that Calvin was pretty much pushing the issue of baby baptism(i call it baby dunking) and pointed to it as the source of his salvation says much as to how much of his catholicism he held onto..
I honestly think it would be more sincere of those that hold to reform theology to be honest about these truths of the catholic roots in revision cough! I mean reform theology..

 

[Abiding]

For some reason i wanted to be a calvinist but after studying
tulip and ending up a 0 point calvinist i figured they wouldnt
let me in the club.

 

[rauleetoe]

For some reason i wanted to be a calvinist but after studying
tulip and ending up a 0 point calvinist i figured they wouldnt
let me in the club.

Good one..

 

[zone]

Dave Hunt is unorthodox (i will be kind).
the H word comes to mind.
but some groups love him....for obvious reasons.
apparently they've never actually understood the scriptures themselves.
the fact they rely on Hunt is proof.
he's out to lunch on nearly everything.
sad.
embarrassing that's he's even posted as reputable, actually.
his scholarship and understanding has been debunked repeatedly.

oh well.
he sells books.
some denominations even have them for sale in their in-house-bookstores.

 

[jimmydiggs]

He said once, that he has no traditions.

In one sense, I think he might just be right.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

well luther was a big fan of augustine...but he knew when to disagree with augustine also...

 

[tribesman]

Dave Hunt is unorthodox (i will be kind).
the H word comes to mind.
but some groups love him....for obvious reasons.
apparently they've never actually understood the scriptures themselves.
the fact they rely on Hunt is proof.
he's out to lunch on nearly everything.
sad.
embarrassing that's he's even posted as reputable, actually.
his scholarship and understanding has been debunked repeatedly.

oh well.
he sells books.
some denominations even have them for sale in their in-house-bookstores.

During my charismatic period years back I received his newsletters and other materials, which had interesting titles, but not much more than so. Even then I found it quiet frankly boring, not becoming more intriguing with his ever ongoing pre-trib/dispy/anti-calvinist chants.

OnT: It's true though that the reformation was not about starting a "new church".

 

[zone]

He said once, that he has no traditions.

In one sense, I think he might just be right.

he said once he'd received Wesley's Second Blessing.
then [quietly] recanted....left the country for a spell.
then recanted his recant.

he's all over the map.

 

[zone]

OnT: It's true though that the reformation was not about starting a "new church".

ya. i am amused by the ppl who flail around and moan about RC....< OH! didn't you know Luther was a catholic monk LOLOLOL.
*gasp* Luther's [secret] Catholic connection.

*cough*

but the others veered off into certain method of their own.
ironically, they're heading back to Rome.

 

[tribesman]

ya. i am amused by the ppl who flail around and moan about RC....< OH! didn't you know Luther was a catholic monk LOLOLOL.
*gasp* Luther's [secret] Catholic connection.

*cough*

but the others veered off into certain method of their own.
ironically, they're heading back to Rome.

Well, same or similar view of justification.

The papists were quiet happy about Wesley's take on that one.

The anabaptists never made it (seeing justification in scripture) as well.

 

[FORHISGLORY]

I am not ashamed to be called a " Calvinist ". The Protestant Reformation was a time when people rediscovered the biblical gospel. The Tulip are doctrines of grace that are biblically sound. The calvinist is defending the glory of God. Luther did have flaws in his personal theology(such as infant baptism).However, He believed that people are only saved by the grace of God. Catholic's believe that a person is saved by the work of Christ plus the sacraments. Luther disagreed with their stance. You will be challenged to find someone that has been used to the extent that Luther was used by God to expand the kingdom of God.

 

[rauleetoe]

Dave Hunt is unorthodox (i will be kind).
the H word comes to mind.
but some groups love him....for obvious reasons.
apparently they've never actually understood the scriptures themselves.
the fact they rely on Hunt is proof.
he's out to lunch on nearly everything.
sad.
embarrassing that's he's even posted as reputable, actually.
his scholarship and understanding has been debunked repeatedly.

oh well.
he sells books.
some denominations even have them for sale in their in-house-bookstores.

So i guess if he was a five point calvinist, Lutheran or anti semite you'd be buying?

 

[rauleetoe]

I am not ashamed to be called a " Calvinist ". The Protestant Reformation was a time when people rediscovered the biblical gospel. The Tulip are doctrines of grace that are biblically sound. The calvinist is defending the glory of God. Luther did have flaws in his personal theology(such as infant baptism).However, He believed that people are only saved by the grace of God. Catholic's believe that a person is saved by the work of Christ plus the sacraments. Luther disagreed with their stance. You will be challenged to find someone that has been used to the extent that Luther was used by God to expand the kingdom of God.

You will be hard pressed to find a true classical arminian that does not appeal to God's grace either actually. We appeal to his grace, we say he is sovereign too(we differ in this sovereignty mainly because we reject absolute divine determinism as necessary for God to be sovereign) and we appeal to God's goodness, mainly we say that those who reject Christ's free gift actually do reject it on their own accord,and God is not to blame..men will truly have no excuse.

That is why I am an Arminian.

 

[rauleetoe]

ya. i am amused by the ppl who flail around and moan about RC....< OH! didn't you know Luther was a catholic monk LOLOLOL.
*gasp* Luther's [secret] Catholic connection.

*cough*

but the others veered off into certain method of their own.
ironically, they're heading back to Rome.

Seeing as Lutheranism is merely a 2 percent milk version of Catholicism..i find that amusing.

Arminius was accused of being a Jesuit secretly, but history proves that was a lie, and if you ever read anything about Arminianism and did so without a bias,you'd see how protestant Classical Arminianism truly is.

 

[crossnote]

For some reason i wanted to be a calvinist but after studying
tulip and ending up a 0 point calvinist i figured they wouldnt
let me in the club.

no, they would just say you were predestined to be a 0 point Calvinist.

 

[zone]

So i guess if he was a .....anti semite you'd be buying?

what's this rubbish?

 

[zone]

Seeing as Lutheranism is merely a 2 percent milk version of Catholicism..i find that amusing.

Arminius was accused of being a Jesuit secretly, but history proves that was a lie, and if you ever read anything about Arminianism and did so without a bias,you'd see how protestant Classical Arminianism truly is.

you know very little < i will be kind.