Basic Christian Doctrine

[Hornet689]

There is only one God - Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; John 17:3; 1 Cor. 8:5-6; Gal. 4:8-9
God is a Trinity - 2 Cor. 13:14; 1 Pet. 1:2
There are no Gods before or after God - Isaiah 43:10
God knows all things - 1 John 3:20
God is all powerful - Psalm 115:3
God is everywhere - Jer. 23:23,24
God is sovereign - Zech. 9:14; 1 Tim. 6:15-16
God is spirit - John 4:24
God created all that exists - Gen. 1:1; Isaiah 44:24
Spirit does not have a body of flesh and bones - Luke 24:39
God has always been God - Psalm 90:2
Jesus is God - John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8
Jesus became a man - Phil. 2:5-8
Jesus has two natures: divine and human - Col. 2:9; 1 Tim. 2:5
Jesus was sinless - 1 Pet. 2:22
Jesus is the only way to God the Father - John 14:6; Matt. 11:27; Luke 10:22
The Holy Spirit is God - Acts 5:3-4
The Holy Spirit is not a force. He is alive - Acts 13:2
The Bible is inspired by God - 2 Tim. 3:16
All people have sinned - Rom. 3:23, 5:12
Man did not evolve, he was created - Gen. 1:26
Adam and Eve were real people - Gen. 3:20; 5:1; 1 Tim. 2:13
Death entered the world because of Adam's sin - Rom. 5:12-15
Sin separates us from God - Isaiah 59:2
Jesus died for all our sins - 1 John 2:2; 2 Cor. 5:14; 1 Pet. 2:24
Jesus' sacrifice was a substitution, for us - 1 Pet. 2:24
Jesus rose from the dead in His physical body - John 2:19-21
Those who reject Jesus will go to Hell - Rev. 20:11-15
Hell is a place of fiery punishment - Matt. 25:41; Rev. 19:20
Hell is eternal - Matt. 25:46
The unsaved go to hell forever - Rev. 21:8
Salvation is a free gift of God - Rom. 4:5; 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9
The Bible is the Word of God - 2 Tim. 3:16
Jesus will return visibly to earth - Acts 1:11
Christians will be raised from the dead when Jesus returns - 1 Thess. 4:14-17
There will be a rapture (being caught up into the clouds with Jesus) - 1 Thess. 4:14-17
There will be a final judgment - 2 Pet. 3:7
The damned will be thrown into a lake of fire - Rev. 20:15
Satan will be cast into the lake of fire - Rev. 20:10
There will be a new heavens and a new earth - 2 Pet. 3:13; Rev. 21:1​

 

[Geometar]

Hell isn't a place but rather a state of soul.
Rapture isn't the teaching of Holy Fathers.

 

[Tintin]

Not sure about the rapture belief but we will find ourselves before Jesus at his Second Coming.

 

[shawntc]

I think the Apostles' Creed is a good guide to the main Christian doctrines:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth.

And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
and born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell.
On the third day He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

 

[Rock022]

I think the Apostles' Creed is a good guide to the main Christian doctrines:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth.

And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
and born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell.
On the third day He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

How come you have change the creed?
The holy christian church? When did this changed from: The holy catholic church
I am not arguing this, I just have never heard this version.

 

[Tintin]

The creed was slightly modified because the term 'catholic' is nowadays often misunderstood as the 'Catholic' church. It gives possible rise to the belief that only Christians are true Christians.

 

[Rock022]

But this creed did come from the catholic church. Are catholics not christian any more?

 

[Tintin]

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that the term 'catholic' refers to all Christians, whereas the term 'Catholic' seems to exclude all other Christian denominations. 'Holy Christian church' makes it much more obvious that the creed is referring to all Christians. There's no anti-Catholic agenda here.

 

[Nautilus]

yeah its mostly a response to changing times. a lot of people dont realize that catholic with a little c refers to the universal church made up of all believers.

 

[Rock022]

Typing does not transfer emotions, I was not making an angry statement. I was curious of this.

I am a catholic this means I belong to the universal church, because catholic means universal. I am believe you may know this already. Don't you think that changing a simple word changes the truth?

 

[shawntc]

How come you have change the creed?
The holy christian church? When did this changed from: The holy catholic church
I am not arguing this, I just have never heard this version.

I am Lutheran, this is the Lutheran version of the Apostles' Creed. "Catholic" is replaced with "Christian" because although catholic with a little "c" can simply mean "universal," the word itself could cause confusion.

 

[Tintin]

Don't you think that changing a simple word changes the truth?

No, I don't. Not if that word has the same meaning but isn't understood by many today so it needs clarification.

 

[Rock022]

Please do not read this as if I have an attitude, I just can not understand this.

The word catholic was specifically added to the creed because it had not been said yet.
The last portion of the creed brings about certain words that are not mention or stated as a believe trough the creed. If we do not understand that we believe in Christ through the creed and need to added again at the end, defeats the purpose of the creed. There were many false teachings happening and still happen today, the creed was very specific on what the church believes.

 

[Tintin]

Amending one word that has the same meaning isn't promoting false teachings. I'm struggling to understand the rest of your post.

 

[Rock022]

To my understanding Christian and catholic [universal] do not mean the same thing.

I believe in God,
The Father almighty...
...and in Jesus Christ
[We had already stated we are christians]

I did some research on the greeting from the angel Gabriel when he said: Hail, Full of grace.
I found so many variations, here is what The Message bible says:
Good morning! You are beautiful with God's beauty.
Beautiful inside and out! God be with you.

The point I am trying to make is that you may see no harm in changing one word, but when you add all the little words people change because they have some similarity you can get sidetrack very fast.

You see the bible makes sense now to us because we can see the same language trough the bible showing us all this books were inspired by God. They all have the same message. But when people change the words this inspirations we see trough the books of the bible disappear creating a false sense of faith.

I hope I explained my point, I find it hard to explain in what I feel.

 

[Tintin]

You haven't explained your point well because we're discussing one word in the creed and you're talking about The Message Bible, a paraphrase which is very liberal with its writing style. There's no connection.

That said, to be 'beautiful with God's beauty, inside and out' that's the same as being 'full of God's grace'. Different wording, same meaning.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Gospel = basic Christian doctrine, must we say much more to this concept? Or should we break it down from genesis to revelations?

Old Testament is the New Testament Concealed
New Testament is the Old Testament Revealed

God said it, that settles it.....

 

[BishopSEH]

I understand both sides of the issue of catholic vs Christian in the Apostles Creed. If we were back in the Apostolic era the word catholic in the biblical or Koine Greek is "katholikos" which simply means universal. This word katholikos as an adjective which means it is descriptive and not prescriptive in the manner the Roman Church uses it in their name which changes the adjective into a noun.

Further, this creed was developed in or about 390 ad which makes it a product of the fledgling early Roman Church at this point merely a decade old. Though it is called the Apostles Creed, the Apostles had absolutely nothing to do with it as they were all long since dead in the flesh. This was an early attempt to define what the Apostles believed though it is sorely lacking in many theological details.

Now Christian, first used as an insult, means "one like Christ". The change from catholic to Christian is actually a more positive and more accurate way to put the message of the Apostles Creed. The holy Christian Church can be written as, the holy Church is Christ's likeness. Its a mouthful but it is accurate. The holy catholic Church can be written as, the holy universal church. I do find it curious that when the Latin of the Creed was translated, that the word catholic was left alone. Why was it not translated into the correct English, universal? The reasoning is simple. If the Roman Church had correctly translated the Apostles Creed the Roman Church would be forced to admit that the Body of Christ (the Church) consists of all believers and not just Roman believers. It took several hundred years after the Council of Trent for the Roman Church to admit that one does not need to be part of the Roman Church to be saved by the blood of Christ.

Leaving the word catholic untranslated into English was their way of reminding believers that refuse the pope of their claim on the faith. Let's face it, when the Roman Church as formed under the authority of Emperor Theodosius I, the infant Roman Church had the secular power to drive all believer in Christ either into their ranks or underground. Many succumbed to the newly formed Roman Church's rule mostly to be relieved of the persecution offered by them and Rome. Many died at the hands of the Roman government for refusing openly to submit to this new Church. A greatly reduced number simply went underground and continued to teach the truth of Christ in the way they always had though more carefully. It may be of some interest to some that The Way has our own version of the Apostles Creed which was altered and fleshed out by The Way from the Roman Apostles Creed. The line in question reads, The Holy Way of Christ. Which unlike catholic which was not used till after all the Apostles had died, is found in the New Testament Scriptures.

All that aside, whether a person writes it as catholic (adjective), Christian or in the manner of the the Church called by name in the Scriptures, all three are correct in that they all call people to belief in Christ as a single body.

In Christ,

Bishop SEH

 

[777Yeshua777]

The triune God concept is a creation of the Council of Nicea. All Roman and Greek deities were triune in nature, so it was an easy way to woo the masses into the new government sanctioned religion of Christianity. The brutality of the leadership of the Roman church, and its government authority insured that much of its doctrine would be "the law of the land."

However, not a single Jewish Christian was on the Council. A bunch of white, European guys who NEVER LIVED according to Torah were now in charge of its interpretation. While I grew up being taught these same doctrines, I eventually discovered the fallacy. Only by rejecting the Council's doctrine can one eliminate the seemingly contradictory parts of the Bible.

Isaiah 28:9-11 tells us we must build our understanding of the Word upon previous statements. Too many people start their study at Matthew. They decide on a meaning of a verse in the NT and search the OT for a verse that supports their opinion. The proper way to interpret the Bible is to understand the beginning, and then build understanding "line upon line," not the other way around.

In EVERY letter he writes Paul says "grace and peace to you from God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ." Never is the "holy spirit" mentioned as a "3rd person." God is a spirit, and he is holy. He is the holy spirit. The manifestation, or "Word" (Aramaic - "miltha") of him is the physical body Yeshua. The pillar of cloud, the man with whom Jacob wrestled, "the word of the LORD" that appeared in dreams and visions to the patriarchs were ALL the Messiah.

Yeshua said, "These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." The Law, the prophets and the psalms NEVER suggest that God is triune. The ALL teach that YHVH is one, and he is a spirit, and his manifestation is Messiah.

I am a father, grandfather, teacher, director, care-giver, and student. But, I am just one person. Mark 12:29, Deuteronomy 6:4. Zech 14:9
No mention of a 3rd person here. 1 Cor 8:6

Outside the physical universe YHVH is a Spirit. Inside the physical universe YHVH is Yeshua.

 

[shawntc]

Oh dear, what have I done.