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[homwardbound]

So, I don't get what point you all are trying to make. Are you suggesting (like most of the proponents of the 'House Church Movement') that we should abolish church leadership? Im sure that having designated leaders is more scriptural than not - having a few guys hang around in case things get too heretical. I know church leadership today is way too empowered. I also know this leads to the suppression of the spiritual gifts if the lives of the laity, but I don't see mutiny as a correct responce or saying that the church is NOTHING like its supposed to be. God is sovereign, remember "I will build my church and the gates of hell will not triumph against it". Surely the church in America has way more liberty financially and freedom that the church in the nt didnt. We are an extremely different circumstances, OF COURSE things are different.

Not trying to cause any mutiny, just being aware and sometimes it is just semantics and other it is not. each one here decides for themselves all things are permissable just not all are beneficial. Each person in their walk grows in god this way and does get fooled along the way but if they are God's God will be ablew to make anyonne God has received to stand Roms 14

 

[homwardbound]

Just what Bible version are you using?

Old King James

 

[homwardbound]

is this another "Ihategoingtochurchbutwant to justify it in righteous sound language" thread?

It says do NOT forsake the gathering of believers.

there is a divine purpose to having people gather together and worship God and build one another up. God did NOT create us to be alone and isolated.

the Leaders of the church I heed do not try to insert themselves between me and Christ but help me to mature in Christ and encourage me to grow and bear fruits of the Spirit and overcome the world and its fleshy temptations.

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So do you check out scripture read for you to know God and trust God to help you grow or the Church gathering? the Bereans did, and today if one does not checkout scripture in context and see and learn the meaning from God who lives in them then this is how one gets deceived into things like My Church and only the ones we recognize are going to heaven. No where in the Bible are we called to be any denomination or non-denomination we are the called out assembly (EKKLESIA) and we are to be ready in season and out of season to give an account to our joy in the lord Even in 1 Corinthians 3 Paul admoniushes them about having divisions I am of Appollos or i am of Paul. Today it is I am a Baptist, a presprterian, a catholic, these are divisions you all. I personally am only a planter while another is a waterer and sometimes I am a waterer depending on the leading of Who or what? the Holy Ghost or one's denomination
All this is brothers and sisters is just food for thought, each of you check it out in your own hidden man of the heart that always serves God
Homwardbound

 

[homwardbound]

. God did NOT create us to be alone and isolated.

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That is right God created us to worship God and being in God you the believer can never be alone. For I (God) will never leave you nor forsake you

 

[homwardbound]

Yes I knoiw there a lot of good Churches, this is just to be aware that we do not mistakenly make a pastor, a deacon, afriend a wife or any other person ones object of faith. According to the word God the Father is one's teacher that lie in yoiu the believer

please I hope youdo not mis understasnd me Ariel, I agree to get together with others but if and when it takes the place of worshipping God in truth and Spirit then our own flesh has deceived us from dying to it, one of the many traps of the devil

 

[Elin]

But they did not change Ecclesia in the greek in acts in two places to church, making a mockery of Ecclesia used as assembly today a disorderly one at that Acts 19

Why would it be a mockery if the meaning of ekklesia is assembly?

The assembly in Acts was not a religious assembly, so it was not translated "church."

What problem are you trying to present?

 

[homwardbound]

Why would it be a mockery if the meaning of ekklesia is assembly?

The assembly in Acts was not a religious assembly, so it was not translated "church."

What problem are you trying to present?

My point in using Church is the true meaning of Church is buildiing and Gopd does not live in buildings God does not even live in assemblies, it is all man and man's idea
Hebrews 8:1-2 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.

So where is the true tabernacle? in heaven not here on earth, God does not reside in buildings as Stephen was stoned to death for saying this, Man the religous leaders of that day had to stop him from this talk for no one will come to their assembly, gathering, place of worship, Church, I do not care which way anyone slices,dices or cubes the meaning Ecclesia has been taken out of the word which takes out God living on you and we must go to Church to learn from others as prescribed by and of this world When God says: he is our teacher therefore the Church can't teach me nor can I teach anyone I or you can be a water or a planter but it God that gives the increase. And finally whodid Christ go against in that day? Why it was the religous leaders.
11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more."
So man through the years has secretly snuck in Heresis to the faith that is in God, through psycological ploys as Church which means building and draws people to a building unaware of God residesin the one that believes.
Deception is of the flesh period life is of the Spirit period. We the believers are the called ones
Holpethis helps in what you are asking, I am not after to start any fights. Fights are of the flesh only.

 

[Stephen63]

It sounds like what you're saying is man put together the church system as we know it just like the Jews did with the synagogues, which was never the will of God.

 

[Elin]

My point in using Church is the true meaning of Church is buildiing

Not in my dictionary.

and Gopd does not live in buildings God does not even live in assemblies, it is all man and man's idea

The use of ekklesia (assembly) over 50 times in the NT is not the word of God in the revelation of Jesus Christ (Heb1;1-2)?

Gads!

 

[Ariel82]

no one I know worships the church building.... most will say the church is made up of the people not the physical building.

why would getting together to WORSHIP GOD take the place of WORSHIPPING GOD?

"So do you check out scripture read for you to know God and trust God to help you grow or the Church gathering?"

I trust God to help me grow and He uses the Church gathering and other methods to do so. it takes more than cking out scriptures, it takes prayer and fellowship with other believers as well. God wants us to learn to get along with our brothers and sisters. we don't worship the assembly/church, we praise God for giving us a spiritual family to mentor, be mentored, learn and grow with.

 

[homwardbound]

It sounds like what you're saying is man put together the church system as we know it just like the Jews did with the synagogues, which was never the will of God.

In the majority of the cases, Church has become an entertainment center,not all and this has been used to bring in the sheep. Personally Ilike going to Bible Studies share and hear the sharing it is awesome to do this,but Ihave learned to suiftall things through myheart and wait to hear from the Lord to grow from any and all

 

[homwardbound]

Not in my dictionary.


The use of ekklesia (assembly) over 50 times in the NT is not the word of God in the revelation of Jesus Christ (Heb1;1-2)?

Gads!

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
And where is he ? in the church, building, assenbly or heaven? What is he doing in Heaven? Yes resting for it is finished John 19:30
Now who pitched the Church, assembly, get together? Man or God? What did God pitch and where at?

Hebrews 8 New King James Version (NKJV)


The New Priestly Service

8 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.

3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”[a] 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

A New Covenant

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

 

[homwardbound]

no one I know worships the church building.... most will say the church is made up of the people not the physical building.

why would getting together to WORSHIP GOD take the place of WORSHIPPING GOD?

"So do you check out scripture read for you to know God and trust God to help you grow or the Church gathering?"

I trust God to help me grow and He uses the Church gathering and other methods to do so. it takes more than cking out scriptures, it takes prayer and fellowship with other believers as well. God wants us to learn to get along with our brothers and sisters. we don't worship the assembly/church, we praise God for giving us a spiritual family to mentor, be mentored, learn and grow with.

This is what it is all about true worship not tripping over the chief corner stone as is what evil (flesh) is after to trip the believer up and as long as we listen for God the father through the Holy Ghost in our inward hidden man one will not stay tricked if they get tricked, and thus the understanding comes

 

[Elin]

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
And where is he ? in the church, building, assenbly or heaven? What is he doing in Heaven? Yes resting for it is finished John 19:30
Now who pitched the Church, assembly, get together? Man or God? What did God pitch and where at?

Hebrews 8 New King James Version (NKJV)


The New Priestly Service

8 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.

3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”[a] 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

A New Covenant

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Do not set yourself above Jesus' NT revelation (Heb 1:1-2) in its use of the word ekklesia (assembly) over 50 times.

 

[homwardbound]

Do not set yourself above Jesus' NT revelation (Heb 1:1-2) in its use of the word ekklesia (assembly) over 50 times.

I apologize that you think that I am setting myself up above God, WOW! but Okay Elin I am not here to argue or get anyone to see things my way, all Iam doing is pointin out what I see and am not a judge, if you see what I see then you do and if you do not okay
in Love homwrdbound

 

[Elin]

Ekklesia is the usual word for church. It means the Body of Christ, or the Body of Christ in a specific city. There is no other usage. What we call church is not in the NT at all.

The closest thing is "Sunagoge", a meeting attended by various Christians to praise and worship God, etc.

Ekklesia is literally "called-out assembly."

Sunagoge is literally "assembly," used of Jewish religious gatherings.

You can see why sunagoge was not used for the Christian assemblies.

 

[Elin]

I apologize that you think that I am setting myself up above God, WOW! but Okay Elin I am not here to argue or get anyone to see things my way, all Iam doing is pointin out what I see and am not a judge, if you see what I see then you do and if you do not okay
in Love homwrdbound

Can you explain why the Greek word ekklesia, whose meaning is "called-out assembly" and is translated into English as "church," is a problem when the meaning of ekklesia in the Greek is clear?

This seems like much theological ado about nothing theological.

 

[homwardbound]

Can you explain why the Greek word ekklesia, whose meaning is "called-out assembly" and is translated into English as "church," is a problem when the meaning of ekklesia in the Greek is clear?

This seems like much theological ado about nothing theological.

it is more psycological than theological if want more info about it go to wickedshepards.com

 

[kenisyes]

You can see why sunagoge was not used for the Christian assemblies.

No, maybe you could explain it to me. Please cover why there is no command to attend the ekklesia in all scripture, but Heb. 10:25 says to attend the sungoge. Or maybe you could tell me why Paul tells the Corinthians to follow sunagoge behavior (augmented by the gifts, and the eucharist) in I Cor. 12-14. Or maybe you could tell me why there are many churches in one city today (that disagree with each other) when Scripture allows multiple sunagoge, but not multiple chruches per city.

It's ek- meaning out, and klesia meaning called, right? Where is the word "assembly"

In practice, 99% of Christians have never even seen a New Testament modelled weekend service. What we go to on Sunday is a leftover from a Medieval model, based on the assumption that no one can afford enough schooling to learn to read. That's the reason for the OP. It's also the reason that most Christians (by actual surveys) have stopped going to church.

 

[Elin]

it is more psycological than theological if want more info about it go to wickedshepards.com

Thanks.

So what bearing does "psychological" have on the truth of God?