You are right, we should forgive them, but that doesn't me we automatically hand over the teaching duties to them, much more the pulpit. This decision should come from the elders or leaders in the church in which base their decision on the person's words and actions, how they now live, and upon the discernment skills given to them through the Holy Spirit.
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I would not be okay with a convicted child molester teaching my children in an unsupervised area. Ever. Why? Because we can never know the true condition of another person's heart. That's what I think. [/QUOTE]
I was just thinking... why should any parent EVER let ANYONE be teaching "our" children in an unsupervised area. I mean according do the bible... parents are responsible for instructing and raising children. I ca tell you that in my life time... I see unproven "believers" put into children's ministry positions. I notice when a new believer wants to serve, they get put in the childrens ministry... kids can't say... Hey mom/dad they person has bad theology. The bible is pretty clear about WHO gets to be an overseer but I hardly ever see that is the case with children's ministry... why does christiandom sacrifice the tender minds of children to those who are unproven and biblically unqualified??? Kinda like the title of this thread... says "what does the bible say"... but the answers are mostly opinions.
I was just thinking... why should any parent EVER let ANYONE be teaching "our" children in an unsupervised area. I mean according do the bible... parents are responsible for instructing and raising children. I ca tell you that in my life time... I see unproven "believers" put into children's ministry positions. I notice when a new believer wants to serve, they get put in the childrens ministry... kids can't say... Hey mom/dad they person has bad theology. The bible is pretty clear about WHO gets to be an overseer but I hardly ever see that is the case with children's ministry... why does christiandom sacrifice the tender minds of children to those who are unproven and biblically unqualified??? Kinda like the title of this thread... says "what does the bible say"... but the answers are mostly opinions.
By all means let him/her teach, but make sure they on a firm foundation, and I think this all what Tintin is trying to say...
I myself would probably have reservations if a former child molester was the teach of my 3 or 9 year old, unless someone else was there with him. I've seen in my church before where a few people needed to be watched because of their previous conduct. One guy was actually asked to keep his distance from children (not to cut him off completely) because he gravitated toward them and touched them and talked to them in non-appropriate ways. Needless to say we haven't seen him since.
I myself would probably have reservations if a former child molester was the teach of my 3 or 9 year old, unless someone else was there with him. I've seen in my church before where a few people needed to be watched because of their previous conduct. One guy was actually asked to keep his distance from children (not to cut him off completely) because he gravitated toward them and touched them and talked to them in non-appropriate ways. Needless to say we haven't seen him since.
Paul was a murderer, and Christ himself came to Paul and called Paul to ministry. Paul was a persecuter of Christians! yet paul preached. Many in the bible committed sins and God used them. Moses murdered and God used him too, to lead and set the isrealites free and look where we all are now due to it. We need to rid ourselves from all pride and arrogance as it damages the truth and our walk with the Lord... Humbling ourselves is the only way!!
That is why Paul said oh what a wretched man am i! Who will save me .. God Will!! He knew His past and He also said he was the worst of them all meaning sinners... yet Jesus chose Him right there on the road to Damascas to change His life and used forgiveness towards him with mercy, grace and love. But most of all, respect in love...
God used paul and trusted him to minister his word and Paul did a good job too... Where would we be without Paul? For much of the New Testament is written by him... All i can say is if God trusted someone who sinned so much to use him to help others to find the Lord, then praise God for that means thier is hope for people like you and me... Amen... If not. Then Jesus lied when he said what He does for one, He'll do for all for He doesnt play favorites...
Just a note.. almost every person God used in the bible greatly sinned.. and God on purposely used them anyway! Just to prove that its not them doing it, its HIM!
James 2: 9-11 [SUP]9 [/SUP]But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[SUP][b][/SUP] also said, “You shall not murder.”[SUP][c][/SUP] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
So all sins are equal in Gods eyes and should be dealt with accordingly... Brings a new prespective to it when you start to think about what we each have done huh? For then we are all in the same boat as each other.. WE ARE ALL SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE! We cant get to heaven not even if we have 1 sin in us for we are imperfect!! Jesus is our only answer! This is why grace is so important!
That is why Paul said oh what a wretched man am i! Who will save me .. God Will!! He knew His past and He also said he was the worst of them all meaning sinners... yet Jesus chose Him right there on the road to Damascas to change His life and used forgiveness towards him with mercy, grace and love. But most of all, respect in love...
God used paul and trusted him to minister his word and Paul did a good job too... Where would we be without Paul? For much of the New Testament is written by him... All i can say is if God trusted someone who sinned so much to use him to help others to find the Lord, then praise God for that means thier is hope for people like you and me... Amen... If not. Then Jesus lied when he said what He does for one, He'll do for all for He doesnt play favorites...
Just a note.. almost every person God used in the bible greatly sinned.. and God on purposely used them anyway! Just to prove that its not them doing it, its HIM!
James 2: 9-11 [SUP]9 [/SUP]But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[SUP][b][/SUP] also said, “You shall not murder.”[SUP][c][/SUP] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
So all sins are equal in Gods eyes and should be dealt with accordingly... Brings a new prespective to it when you start to think about what we each have done huh? For then we are all in the same boat as each other.. WE ARE ALL SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE! We cant get to heaven not even if we have 1 sin in us for we are imperfect!! Jesus is our only answer! This is why grace is so important!
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one.
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Ananias Baptizes Saul
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and to him the Lord said in a vision, “Ananias.”
And he said, “Here I am, Lord.”
[SUP]11 [/SUP]So the Lord said to him, “Arise and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus, for behold, he is praying. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias coming in and putting his hand on him, so that he might receive his sight.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he has done to Your saints in Jerusalem. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake.”
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bit of both. there was a person who got upset that they were told they weren't really qualified to work with kids for those reasons and tried to guilt others into thinking they were being unChristian for denying him.
I just wanted to see why someone people allowed the guy to do such a thing and mess with their mind in such a way.
I just wanted to see why someone people allowed the guy to do such a thing and mess with their mind in such a way.
Maybe just have your kids tell you what is going on in there and have others thatyou know are trustworthy as back up. I knopw of a child that went to church with us and had never been in church she was 11 and the teacher of that group scared the daylights out of her that God was going to zap her dead and this little girl did not need to hear that God is a tyranbt becausae he is not. We found this out from her telling us as we could see the fear in her. And this teacher was the Deacons wife. Which she got repremanded for this, and this little went on to understasnd the Love of God and to respond to this love to not focus on sin bercause that is what brings forth sin
I pray to God that the Church is not so far gone that Pauls basic requirements for decons is no longer possible...
I also beleive it is not that far gone. It is actually not very hard to find Christians who qualify in my area at least.
Some do put on false acts. Such people need to be taken out of positions of authority and possible out of the Church itself.
I do not believe this is the norm in churches at all.
It's pointless to be any different. I am who I am, just as many other people are. Despite televisions constant affirmations to the contrary I don't believe most people actively live a double life.
Anger is not a sin, or else God has sinned many times Lust of the flesh wanting material goods you should not have, our culture is bad for that, but even then contented people do exist.
When does he say to restore those that where purged? A reference for this would be nice. He just says to purge those that did those things.
Umm, What?
I also beleive it is not that far gone. It is actually not very hard to find Christians who qualify in my area at least.
Some do put on false acts. Such people need to be taken out of positions of authority and possible out of the Church itself.
I do not believe this is the norm in churches at all.
It's pointless to be any different. I am who I am, just as many other people are. Despite televisions constant affirmations to the contrary I don't believe most people actively live a double life.
Anger is not a sin, or else God has sinned many times
Lust of the flesh wanting material goods you should not have, our culture is bad for that, but even then contented people do exist. When does he say to restore those that where purged? A reference for this would be nice. He just says to purge those that did those things.
Umm, What?