Why are humans god's favorite?

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clarkthompson

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I don't know but Him giving us freewill only showed us that we are His favorites
 
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I don't know but Him giving us freewill only showed us that we are His favorites
Don't all animals Posses Free Will as well?

Also where in the bible does it even mention that "Angels" don't have "Free will"
Obviously if Angels have Apparently decided to Disobey God then that is Free will.

The God of the Bible apparently "Predestines" everything so nothing could Truly posses Free Will.(that is, if you believe the bible is infallible)




I am now going to listen to "Free will" by Rush c:

Freewill - Rush - YouTube
 

Blain

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Even it doesn't work the way you think it does, ppl are not destined for wrath, its free will that decides our fate. And you say talking about having a relationship with an invisible god is pointless? well i mean you are allowed to have your own opinion, but unless you know him like i do you will not understand why i talk about a relationship with him.
 
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Even it doesn't work the way you think it does, ppl are not destined for wrath, its free will that decides our fate. And you say talking about having a relationship with an invisible god is pointless? well i mean you are allowed to have your own opinion, but unless you know him like i do you will not understand why i talk about a relationship with him.
The Bible is quite Clear in that God has made a 'Purpose for everything, and that everything is Predestined.'

I would have said the same thing about "God" when I was a Teenager...

Ive been studying and reading the bible quite thoroughly since I was 13...I used to think I was better than other people because of my Understanding, and that I was "Special" and that I "KNEW GOD" and other people did not...

I grew out of thinking like that though...Millions of people will say that they have a "Relationship with God" but what does that really mean? I find most of those claims very Arrogant and Disingenuous.

Bold Claims demand Bold Evidence.
 
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Blain,

2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
2Ti 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
 

Blain

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The Bible is quite Clear in that God has made a 'Purpose for everything, and that everything is Predestined.'

I would have said the same thing about "God" when I was a Teenager...

Ive been studying and reading the bible quite thoroughly since I was 13...I used to think I was better than other people because of my Understanding, and that I was "Special" and that I "KNEW GOD" and other people did not...

I grew out of thinking like that though...Millions of people will say that they have a "Relationship with God" but what does that really mean? I find most of those claims very Arrogant and Disingenuous.

Bold Claims demand Bold Evidence.
What does mean to have a relationship with god? To me it's having a deep love. A love that god the creator and human the created share together on a very deep and personal level. I am no different than anyone else, i only know god like i do because he chose to reveal himself to me. And as for understanding well.. i am still a babe so i do not have that much, but i know his heart and he knows mine, Bold claims do demand bold evidence but i do not see what evidence i could give you that my relationship with him is true.
 
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Blain,

2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
2Ti 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

AH Timothy Yes...One of the Many books in the Bible that Approves and Demands of Slavery.


Let us read 1Timothy 2:11-12

If any Women are reading you'll LOVE this one!

"A Woman should learn in Silence and Full submission. I do not suffer a Woman to Teach or Assume Authority over a Man, she must remain Silent."

LOL...So if you are a Woman...Just shut up and be a slave basically...

Is this Holy?

Women in the Bible are equal to Possessions. In the 'Old Testament' Times a Woman was Equal to an Ox. Women are still treated that way in the Land where these Primitive Scriptures Originated.

Ever Wonder why Women were just given basic rights, like Rights to Vote not even a Century ago? (rather had to FIGHT for the right)
 
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crossnote

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Our worth and value is a transferred worth, transferred only because of God's grace imputed to us on account of Christ's worth. Apart from Christ we are as good as crispy critters.
 
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"Crispy Critters" heh

Doesn't all life have Inherent "Worth?"

Are you going to go up to a Tree and ask if it is "With Christ?" Or a Random Animal in a Forest I guess is "apart from Christ."

I would venture to say that Human beings indeed had "Worth" before sweet baby Jesus was born 2000 years ago...
If we had no Worth then why even send Jesus in the first place?
 

crossnote

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"Crispy Critters" heh

Doesn't all life have Inherent "Worth?"

Are you going to go up to a Tree and ask if it is "With Christ?" Or a Random Animal in a Forest I guess is "apart from Christ."

I would venture to say that Human beings indeed had "Worth" before sweet baby Jesus was born 2000 years ago...
If we had no Worth then why even send Jesus in the first place?
That's the meaning of Grace. Mankind had fallen in Adam and from that point God was under no obligation to send His Son to die for mankind. By all rights He could have turned us over to eternal perdition. But despite our unworthiness God took rebellious sinners and made them His sons all on account of Christ's righteousness and not ours.This also covers the believers wbo looked forward to their Messiah before the Cross.
 

crossnote

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Oh yes animals. Well if the greater had not inherent worth has much less had the lesser of the two. Besides the animals were put under Adam's dominion.If the king fell so did his kingdom.
 
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Oh yes animals. Well if the greater had not inherent worth has much less had the lesser of the two. Besides the animals were put under Adam's dominion.If the king fell so did his kingdom.
You should consider that "Elohim" or "God" in the bible is actually Plural. And can refer to God and also SONS of God...or the 'Gods'


"Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." ~ Genesis 1:26


Apparently it is not a Singular "God" that is telling Man to rule over everything...But rather "God's"

Why would a Creator that Created all Life... Favor only One Creation?...

Doesn't make sense when you take into Fact that many Organisms have much longer life spans and preferable qualities...

There are Trees that can live for 10,000 years...A species of Jellyfish that is Immortal...Tortoises that can live for almost 400 years...Plants have Complete Regeneration capabilities...

If the Creator made Man as his Favored and Ultimate Creation...Then why not give him properties like a 10,000 year life span, and the ability to Regenerate Lost limbs? Why do so many other Organisms posses superior Qualities?
For example many Species like Elephants are too Massive to be "Ruled" by man. (elephants being very Intelligent animals)
And also other Predatory species certainly would make short Work of a Human.
 
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we are GOD'S favorite because he created and loves us, we as humankind sadden him id imagine but he loves us same as his angels.
 
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That's the meaning of Grace. Mankind had fallen in Adam and from that point God was under no obligation to send His Son to die for mankind. By all rights He could have turned us over to eternal perdition. But despite our unworthiness God took rebellious sinners and made them His sons all on account of Christ's righteousness and not ours.This also covers the believers wbo looked forward to their Messiah before the Cross.
Humans were obviously still Worthy to "God"
Continuously thinking yourself as "Unworthy" and "Disgusting" isn't healthy By the Way.

You should read the the Parable of the Prodigal Son.
Surely a Loving Father still sees his son as worthy even after he has disappointed him.


Why would you look Forward to your own Messiah on an Instrument of Torture and Death?
Seems Quite Satanic to me...The whole veneration of the suffering of the Messiah...
 

Blain

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Evan, when god said let us make man in our own image he was speaking of the father, spirit, son. There is only one god
 
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Evan, when god said let us make man in our own image he was speaking of the father, spirit, son. There is only one god
The scripture itself reads, "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR Likeness."

The word "God" in the Old testament in Hebrew is ELOHIM...Which can mean GODS in the Plural.
This is why it says "Let US make man" and not "Let ME make man" or "I will make man"


This is simply what is in the Bible...
 

Bookends

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Did you ever see or hear a Dog praise God?
 
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Did you ever see or hear a Dog praise God?
Have you ever seen a Baby "Give Praise to God?"

No. Not unless the Baby was Indoctrinated into Christianity.

Yet a Child is still Blessed.

Giving "Praise" to God is quite meaningless anyways...Surely The Creator of Life doesn't need Praise from his own Creation.
 

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Have you ever seen a Baby "Give Praise to God?"

No. Not unless the Baby was Indoctrinated into Christianity.

Yet a Child is still Blessed.

Giving "Praise" to God is quite meaningless anyways...Surely The Creator of Life doesn't need Praise from his own Creation.
Are you saying that God does not want, or demand worship?
 
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Are you saying that God does not want, or demand worship?
I'm rather Asking, Why Would an "All Powerful and All Loving" Creator Demand or need Worship from Human Beings?
Isn't this what Narcissistic Human rulers like Caesar sought? To be worshiped?

You should take note what is said regarding Worship in the Gospels, "You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth." ~John 4:22

You should also Realize that the only Being that Demands worship in the Gospels...Is Satan.

"The devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.“All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”~Matthew 4


So is Tim Tebow really bowing to the Creator when he Kneels down in front of Millions of people and thanks his "God" for Wordly Success?
I would say obviously Not.


I take more of a "Deist" approach to the Idea of a Creator. Though Labels aren't important.
 
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