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at a quick glance.
I think Jesus mentioned this in his words of the time of great tribulation. "he who endures to the end will be saved" would be the same as "blessed is he which waiteth and comes to the end.
and it all starts when? when the abomination of desolation is set up.. if it happened in 70 AD.. what happened at the end of these days?? and who was blessed by it? did anyone endure to the end to be saved in that day? Saved from what?
I can study it more though when I get home.
I think Jesus mentioned this in his words of the time of great tribulation. "he who endures to the end will be saved" would be the same as "blessed is he which waiteth and comes to the end.
and it all starts when? when the abomination of desolation is set up.. if it happened in 70 AD.. what happened at the end of these days?? and who was blessed by it? did anyone endure to the end to be saved in that day? Saved from what?
I can study it more though when I get home.
4. Theology of Apocalyptic Dispensationalism
There are two common approaches by which Christian Zionists usually justify support for ‘Eretz Yisrael’ (Land of Israel) and its ‘people’. First is the belief found in the Book of Genesis 12:3, which states, ‘I will bless those who bless you, whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you’. Based on this verse, many non-dispensationalist Christians feel compelled to embrace Israel as a premise of faith and as an assurance that blessings will be bestowed on those who ideologically and financially bless the ‘chosen people’. This argument has produced much
disagreement from both Christians and non-Christians.
Some Christian scholars argue that Jews have arrogantly misinterpreted the context of this verse and Christian Zionists have ignorantly accepted it.
Old Testament scholars express grave concern with the misinterpretations of the Bible by Christians and Jews alike (Domb 1989; Beck 1991).
The second approach to the subscription of Zionist ideology is ‘based on dispensationalist theology’, which states that we are living in the last dispensation of the Book of Revelation, which essentially means that we are in the end-times. Within this theology, the return of the Messiah is contingent upon a set of events transpiring, and among these, a Jewish State
of Israel must be in existence.
The dispensationalist theology is the guiding ideology for the Christian Zionist movement. According to Tony Campolo, the creation of dispensationalist theology can be credited to a nineteenth-century Anglican priest from Plymouth, England, named John Nelson Darby. Though Darby remains a little known historical theologian, his theology has permeated much of the Christian-Right movement of today. As Campolo writes, ‘without understanding dispensationalism, however, it is almost impossible to understand how Christian Zionism has come to dominate American Evangelicalism and been so influential on the course of US Middle East policy’ (Campolo 2005: 19).
While it was Darby who is credited with the creation of dispensationalist theology, it was another man, Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, who is credited with spreading dispensationalist theology in the nineteenth century. In 1909, Scofield published a study Bible, Scofield Reference Bible, and this is the source that was used by early dispensationalists to promote dispensationalist theology (Scofield 1909). In fact it was that Bible which, according to Campolo, became ‘by far the most popular study Bible ever published’ (Campolo 2005: 19).
The study of dispensationalist theology is often referred to as Scofieldism, and many scholars argue that Scofieldism
is incorrectly described as a biblical theology when rather it should be thought of as a political theology. ‘[Scofieldism] is highly political and it gets so that it controls what goes on in the White House and controls what goes on in Congress. It’s a vast number of Christians who are influencing Congress and the President’ (Halsell 2000).
http://www.christianzionism.org/article/haija01.pdf < click
even unbelievers have figured out this POLITICAL SCAM.
There are two common approaches by which Christian Zionists usually justify support for ‘Eretz Yisrael’ (Land of Israel) and its ‘people’. First is the belief found in the Book of Genesis 12:3, which states, ‘I will bless those who bless you, whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you’. Based on this verse, many non-dispensationalist Christians feel compelled to embrace Israel as a premise of faith and as an assurance that blessings will be bestowed on those who ideologically and financially bless the ‘chosen people’. This argument has produced much
disagreement from both Christians and non-Christians.
Some Christian scholars argue that Jews have arrogantly misinterpreted the context of this verse and Christian Zionists have ignorantly accepted it.
Old Testament scholars express grave concern with the misinterpretations of the Bible by Christians and Jews alike (Domb 1989; Beck 1991).
The second approach to the subscription of Zionist ideology is ‘based on dispensationalist theology’, which states that we are living in the last dispensation of the Book of Revelation, which essentially means that we are in the end-times. Within this theology, the return of the Messiah is contingent upon a set of events transpiring, and among these, a Jewish State
of Israel must be in existence.
The dispensationalist theology is the guiding ideology for the Christian Zionist movement. According to Tony Campolo, the creation of dispensationalist theology can be credited to a nineteenth-century Anglican priest from Plymouth, England, named John Nelson Darby. Though Darby remains a little known historical theologian, his theology has permeated much of the Christian-Right movement of today. As Campolo writes, ‘without understanding dispensationalism, however, it is almost impossible to understand how Christian Zionism has come to dominate American Evangelicalism and been so influential on the course of US Middle East policy’ (Campolo 2005: 19).
While it was Darby who is credited with the creation of dispensationalist theology, it was another man, Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, who is credited with spreading dispensationalist theology in the nineteenth century. In 1909, Scofield published a study Bible, Scofield Reference Bible, and this is the source that was used by early dispensationalists to promote dispensationalist theology (Scofield 1909). In fact it was that Bible which, according to Campolo, became ‘by far the most popular study Bible ever published’ (Campolo 2005: 19).
The study of dispensationalist theology is often referred to as Scofieldism, and many scholars argue that Scofieldism
is incorrectly described as a biblical theology when rather it should be thought of as a political theology. ‘[Scofieldism] is highly political and it gets so that it controls what goes on in the White House and controls what goes on in Congress. It’s a vast number of Christians who are influencing Congress and the President’ (Halsell 2000).
http://www.christianzionism.org/article/haija01.pdf < click
even unbelievers have figured out this POLITICAL SCAM.
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Girl. I have lost most of my respect for you this past month. and losing any I do have.
Stop your false accusations and bearing false witness against me and other people. I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN ZIONIST. Jews are my enemy.
I am done with your childish games. Keep spreading lies about people. You will have to answer to God, for I have placed you in his hands.
Stop your false accusations and bearing false witness against me and other people. I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN ZIONIST. Jews are my enemy.
I am done with your childish games. Keep spreading lies about people. You will have to answer to God, for I have placed you in his hands.
it means what it says....daniel wasn't going to see it happen.
i don't care how ppl play with the numbers or what decree or dates they come up with.
Daniel's prophecy is about JESUS CHRIST and nothing else.
nothing else matters...AT ALL.
The Cross comes in the middle of the 70th week. THAT'S THE MARKER.
it's CLEAR. recorded FOREVER.
in the middle of the week He was cut off....not at the end of the 69th, not 7 days later.
3 and 1/2 YEARS later.
Jesus arrives 1290 days before His crucifiction.
1335 days after His baptism comes Pentecost
The Promise TO Israel is poured out. The Power from on High.
The New Covenant KNOWN to ALL ISRAEL now to be in place....the Promise is Fulfilled.
OLD COVENANT OVER....no salvation AT ALL FOR ANYONE without the NEW....no Old Wine Skins preserved, no fake merciful 2000 year blinding...none of that JUNK.
ACTS 2
but oh no....along with that 70th week being dragged into the future to make it all about satan, the same is done with Pentecost....to justify Waves of sorcery.
and since millions of jews just like millions of other unbelievers don't believe and ARE IN SIN means none of those Wonderful Works of God really happened
it's sickening. a complete DISGRACE.
i don't care how ppl play with the numbers or what decree or dates they come up with.
Daniel's prophecy is about JESUS CHRIST and nothing else.
nothing else matters...AT ALL.
The Cross comes in the middle of the 70th week. THAT'S THE MARKER.
it's CLEAR. recorded FOREVER.
in the middle of the week He was cut off....not at the end of the 69th, not 7 days later.
3 and 1/2 YEARS later.
Jesus arrives 1290 days before His crucifiction.
1335 days after His baptism comes Pentecost
The Promise TO Israel is poured out. The Power from on High.
The New Covenant KNOWN to ALL ISRAEL now to be in place....the Promise is Fulfilled.
OLD COVENANT OVER....no salvation AT ALL FOR ANYONE without the NEW....no Old Wine Skins preserved, no fake merciful 2000 year blinding...none of that JUNK.
ACTS 2
but oh no....along with that 70th week being dragged into the future to make it all about satan, the same is done with Pentecost....to justify Waves of sorcery.
and since millions of jews just like millions of other unbelievers don't believe and ARE IN SIN means none of those Wonderful Works of God really happened
it's sickening. a complete DISGRACE.
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No it does not. history PROVES that jesus entered jerusalem to close out the 69th week as prophesied.
if he died in the middle of the 70th week. he died 3 1/2 years to early! not to mention. IF THE CROSS was the :make an end of sin" then he would have died at the END of the 70th week to make an end, not in the middle
He did not die at the end, because IT WAS NOT ABOUT HIM. he was used as a reference point, thats all.
if he died in the middle of the 70th week. he died 3 1/2 years to early! not to mention. IF THE CROSS was the :make an end of sin" then he would have died at the END of the 70th week to make an end, not in the middle
He did not die at the end, because IT WAS NOT ABOUT HIM. he was used as a reference point, thats all.
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Jesus said when he entered jerusalem as prophesied!
Luke 19:42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.
They should have known. this is the end of the 69th week. But they did not get it. thus it was hidden from them. and the rest of Dan 9 was, and is being fulfilled to this day. As paul says in romans 11. the mystery has been hidden from then in their blindness.
Luke 19:42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.
They should have known. this is the end of the 69th week. But they did not get it. thus it was hidden from them. and the rest of Dan 9 was, and is being fulfilled to this day. As paul says in romans 11. the mystery has been hidden from then in their blindness.
in the part you bolded, He is saying satan has found no occassion of sin in Him, has nothing to accuse Him of.
what's with the verse by verse?
i don't know what you're asking.
read this and tell me all things were not fulfilled....for the JEWS (and everybody else).
see what He says they (the jews) are to do...GO WAIT for the Promise - Pentecost.
44Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things. 49And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
Luke 24
On the Road to Emmaus
13That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven milesa from Jerusalem, 14and they were talking with each other about all these things that had happened. 15While they were talking and discussing together, Jesus himself drew near and went with them. 16But their eyes were kept from recognizing him. 17And he said to them, “What is this conversation that you are holding with each other as you walk?” And they stood still, looking sad. 18Then one of them, named Cleopas, answered him, “Are you the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?” 19And he said to them, “What things?” And they said to him, “Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, a man who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20and how our chief priests and rulers delivered him up to be condemned to death, and crucified him. 21But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened. 22Moreover, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning, 23and when they did not find his body, they came back saying that they had even seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive. 24Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see.” 25And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” 27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
28So they drew near to the village to which they were going. He acted as if he were going farther, 29but they urged him strongly, saying, “Stay with us, for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent.” So he went in to stay with them. 30When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed and broke it and gave it to them. 31And their eyes were opened, and they recognized him. And he vanished from their sight. 32They said to each other, “Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the Scriptures?” 33And they rose that same hour and returned to Jerusalem. And they found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together, 34saying, “The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!” 35Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he was known to them in the breaking of the bread.
Jesus Appears to His Disciples
36As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” 37But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. 38And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. 41And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42They gave him a piece of broiled fish,b 43and he took it and ate before them.
44Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things. 49And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
The Ascension
50Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them. 51While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. 52And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, 53and were continually in the temple blessing God.
what's with the verse by verse?
i don't know what you're asking.
read this and tell me all things were not fulfilled....for the JEWS (and everybody else).
see what He says they (the jews) are to do...GO WAIT for the Promise - Pentecost.
44Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things. 49And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
Luke 24
On the Road to Emmaus
13That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven milesa from Jerusalem, 14and they were talking with each other about all these things that had happened. 15While they were talking and discussing together, Jesus himself drew near and went with them. 16But their eyes were kept from recognizing him. 17And he said to them, “What is this conversation that you are holding with each other as you walk?” And they stood still, looking sad. 18Then one of them, named Cleopas, answered him, “Are you the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?” 19And he said to them, “What things?” And they said to him, “Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, a man who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20and how our chief priests and rulers delivered him up to be condemned to death, and crucified him. 21But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened. 22Moreover, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning, 23and when they did not find his body, they came back saying that they had even seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive. 24Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see.” 25And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” 27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
28So they drew near to the village to which they were going. He acted as if he were going farther, 29but they urged him strongly, saying, “Stay with us, for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent.” So he went in to stay with them. 30When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed and broke it and gave it to them. 31And their eyes were opened, and they recognized him. And he vanished from their sight. 32They said to each other, “Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the Scriptures?” 33And they rose that same hour and returned to Jerusalem. And they found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together, 34saying, “The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!” 35Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he was known to them in the breaking of the bread.
Jesus Appears to His Disciples
36As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” 37But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. 38And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. 41And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42They gave him a piece of broiled fish,b 43and he took it and ate before them.
44Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things. 49And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
The Ascension
50Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them. 51While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. 52And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, 53and were continually in the temple blessing God.
ya i know.
Jesus just used all that about the 70th WEEK as a 'reference point'.
that's all.
it wasn't about Him.
it's about some stupid pope or politician and The State of Israel is about some unresolved Land Issue.
which doesn't have anything to do with SALVATION EITHER.
apparently none of it does.
Jesus isn't King now, nothing.
all that stuff never REALLY happened....oh no.
and we have taught this other stuff for so long, WE ARE BLIND just like the JEWS.
because we believe exactly what they do.
Jesus just used all that about the 70th WEEK as a 'reference point'.
that's all.
it wasn't about Him.
it's about some stupid pope or politician and The State of Israel is about some unresolved Land Issue.
which doesn't have anything to do with SALVATION EITHER.
apparently none of it does.
Jesus isn't King now, nothing.
all that stuff never REALLY happened....oh no.
and we have taught this other stuff for so long, WE ARE BLIND just like the JEWS.
because we believe exactly what they do.
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blah blah blah.. I am done with this.
Jesus said when you see the abomination
the abomination is commited by the prince who makes the covenant.
seems Jesus did not think it was about him either.
but believe what you want. I am finished with this.. I don't know if you are scared or what. But whatever has you in this unchristian like panic and hateful dialogue I pray leaves you soon.
Jesus said when you see the abomination
the abomination is commited by the prince who makes the covenant.
seems Jesus did not think it was about him either.
but believe what you want. I am finished with this.. I don't know if you are scared or what. But whatever has you in this unchristian like panic and hateful dialogue I pray leaves you soon.
i doubt it.
Jesus did not think it was about him either.
i'll believe what's written.
if you ever snap out of this, be sure to come back and apologize to me for all this EG.
this shows how thoroughly blind you have become.
partaking of addictive false doctrine does that to people.
especially when they have taught it to God knows how many.
imagine the serious repentance that's going to be coming when and if they ever submit to the Holy Spirit on this matter.
i don't know why they're not being convicted.
it's they who ought to be scared. i wonder why they aren't.
not being convicted of this after so long being shown the heresy that is actually at the heart of it?
that's scary.
i feel sorry for you EG.
and for everyone you are teaching this to.
false prophets and false teachers everywhere.
Jesus did not think it was about him either.
i'll believe what's written.
if you ever snap out of this, be sure to come back and apologize to me for all this EG.
this shows how thoroughly blind you have become.
partaking of addictive false doctrine does that to people.
especially when they have taught it to God knows how many.
imagine the serious repentance that's going to be coming when and if they ever submit to the Holy Spirit on this matter.
i don't know why they're not being convicted.
it's they who ought to be scared. i wonder why they aren't.
not being convicted of this after so long being shown the heresy that is actually at the heart of it?
that's scary.
i feel sorry for you EG.
and for everyone you are teaching this to.
false prophets and false teachers everywhere.
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