Does Hell exist?

[jmlidea]

I believe that it does not.
I must believe that even the most wicked, the most hated, the most hateful, the most vile and corrupt, murderous, satanic, and SINFUL are forgiven of their sins when they die and will see God and God will welcome them home.
I believe that Hitler is in heaven, with my grandpa who fought in the war.

I posted another thread 'is God good?' and got a ton of feedback. Here's where I'm at on that topic: No matter what God does or doesn't do in THIS life, it doesn't compare to what he will do in the next. God is GOOD, but that doesn't mean he does good things for us in this life, in fact, he may even do some pretty horrid things to us, like kill thousands, murder children, curse or bring grief, or things of that nature. I must interpret the bible as a History book, not as literal truth. People may have said 'God granted us victory' but I'm sure God wasn't cheering for the fallen armies.

Some of you will disagree, and that's fine. I didn't mean to sound so argumentative in my other post, but I am angry, so it's hard not to sound that way.

So, what do you think? How far will you go to accept God's love? Can you believe that Hitler is in heaven too? I urge you to begin thinking this way!!

Peace!

 

[tribesman]

...I must interpret the bible as a History book, not as literal truth....

What is particularly historical about your interpretations? Seems more like you put your own opinion, or some sort of wishful thinking into the Bible.

 

[jmlidea]

What is particularly historical about your interpretations?

The old testament is a story of the history of God's people

 

[Universal_Man]

Hell is real

 

[tribesman]

If you see the OT as nothing more than that then I guess it's hard for you to learn something else from it than its strictly historical record.

 

[FromTheBible]

Hello Jmlidea , When we evaluate the bible we can clearly see hell in a fiery torment doesn't exist that the term "hell" can be misunderstood by many, let me explain why.

According to the Bible, God created the first human pair perfect. (Genesis 1:27; Deuteronomy 32:4) He placed them in a paradise garden and gave them the opportunity to live forever. However, the first humans, Adam and Eve, had one restriction. God warned them: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.”—Genesis 2:16, 17.

Sadly, our first parents failed that simple test of loyalty and obedience. The Creator was obliged to sentence them to death. “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”—Genesis 3:19.

Had Adam and Eve been in danger of burning in hell, would not God have warned them about such a punishment? The fact is that he mentioned nothing about suffering after death. How could they suffer? They did not have immortal souls that would survive after death. The Bible makes this very clear: “The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.”—Ezekiel 18:4.*

As the Giver of life, our Creator knows all there is to know about life and death. He tells us in his Word that “the dead . . . are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) That is why Adam and Eve could not suffer in a fiery hell after their death. They simply returned to the dust and ceased to exist. They were “conscious of nothing at all.”

Can We Suffer After Death?

The Bible says at Romans 5:12: “Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men.” Really, then, is it reasonable to believe that people suffer in hellfire for their sins, when Adam, the one who brought death upon the entire human race, simply became dust after dying?—1 Corinthians 15:22.

We all come under the same law that Adam was under. “The wages sin pays is death.” Moreover, once a person dies, he is “acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7, 23) If both good and bad people die and nobody experiences suffering after death, where is God’s justice?

If hell were a place of fiery torment, would anyone ever ask to be sent there? Yet, the patriarch Job, wishing to escape his plight, made this request: “Who will grant me this, that thou mayest protect me in hell, and hide me till thy wrath pass?” (Job 14:13, Douay Version) Clearly, Job did not believe that hell is a place of torment. Rather, he sought protection there. Death is a state of nonexistence, and the Bible hell is the common grave of mankind.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hitler may be in heaven, If he accepted Christ, if not. he will suffer the fate as anyone who reject Gods love, eternal separation from God. Call it Hell, or whatever you want. but to me, that would be hell!!

 

[MissCris]

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths some people will go to stuff God into a little box that makes Him more "comfortable" for them.

Being angry at God isn't going to change how He works.

 

[crossnote]

If there is no hell why did Christ have to suffer hell? Judgement becomes meaningless without punishment.

Also I didn't vote, the poll has little to do with the Title of the thread.

 

[Universal_Man]

If Hell were not real:

- why enemys try to make us fall and break the holy spiritual commandments of our holy Father YHWH? Is it just that we learn on earth and repent and learn from the mistakes and make then the good as long till we we get in good status?
- Or do they do this because they know of the exist and what to bring you in the "Kingdom of Hell" to suffer with them?
- Or is the talking about Hell just a lie to make us fear from God that we can not Love him?

 

[JGPS]

Hell is real

It amuses me that I've seen people in other threads think you are a universalist because of your name, when you're obviously not. Knee jerk reactions to words always interest me.

 

[FromTheBible]

John 3:16 -"For God loved+ the world* so much that he gave his only-begotten Son,+ in order that everyone exercising faith+ in him might not be destroyed+ but have everlasting life ... Crossnote that is the reason Jesus suffered , Jesus died for us so that we may live , Jesus wasn't getting punished...And the bible does show there will be punishment for the wicked , Romans6:23 -"For the wages* sin pays is death" , not Hell but Death.

 

[Universal_Man]

@JGPS Hi there. I am not an universalist . The name is not the topic here! What you say, is Hell real or not?

 

[Dekote]

If Hell were not real:

- why enemys try to make us fall and break the holy spiritual commandments of our holy Father YHWH? Is it just that we learn on earth and repent and learn from the mistakes and make then the good as long till we we get in good status?
- Or do they do this because they know of the exist and what to bring you in the "Kingdom of Hell" to suffer with them?
- Or is the talking about Hell just a lie to make us fear from God that we can not Love him?

I could be three. Do you even know how many people don't want to just not exist? I'm not one of them but there are a lot.

 

[Domenic]

I believe that it does not.
I must believe that even the most wicked, the most hated, the most hateful, the most vile and corrupt, murderous, satanic, and SINFUL are forgiven of their sins when they die and will see God and God will welcome them home.
I believe that Hitler is in heaven, with my grandpa who fought in the war.

I posted another thread 'is God good?' and got a ton of feedback. Here's where I'm at on that topic: No matter what God does or doesn't do in THIS life, it doesn't compare to what he will do in the next. God is GOOD, but that doesn't mean he does good things for us in this life, in fact, he may even do some pretty horrid things to us, like kill thousands, murder children, curse or bring grief, or things of that nature. I must interpret the bible as a History book, not as literal truth. People may have said 'God granted us victory' but I'm sure God wasn't cheering for the fallen armies.

Some of you will disagree, and that's fine. I didn't mean to sound so argumentative in my other post, but I am angry, so it's hard not to sound that way.

So, what do you think? How far will you go to accept God's love? Can you believe that Hitler is in heaven too? I urge you to begin thinking this way!!

Peace!

Hitler in Heaven? Hitler is dead. I don't think he has a special pass to life over everybody else waiting for Jesus to bring the dead back to life.
As to hell being real? Hell in the Bible is the comman grave of mankind. I have been to graveyards. Dead people are asleep there waiting for Jesus to bring them back to life. grav yards are the common grave. Of course even the ocean is the common grave to many.

 

[Professor]

Just want to add some personal experiences. Hell is super real. When my grandmother, a staunch atheist, was about to die, she was being grabbed by a bunch of demons. She screamed in terror. I thought she was hallucinating. Now I know otherwise. Before I was saved, God rescued me from a spiritual battle with a demon. It was incredibly real. I have absolutely no doubt that hell is real. But I also know that God is loving and merciful. Therefore Hitler, if he cried out to God before his death, is in heaven.

 

[Meshullam]

Jesus went to shoel/hades/death/the grave/the resting place of the dead.

And people who are 'sinful' *cough* to 'Gehinnom'. the 'righteous' go straight to 'Gan Eden' with their state of mind being 'elevated' or 'heaven'. 'hell' isn't a word that was ever in Jesus' vocabulary, nor the Jews'.

And if you go ask an old Jew or read an article that isn't inherently biased to the KJV .. you'll find out what 'gehinnom' is.

It's the word that was ACTUALLY spoken every time the bible reads 'hell'.

Then your concept of 'eternal punishment' becomes something different. Very much, a punishment that is eternal in the result it yield, but temporary in the time it takes for said result to be yielded.

Ask an old Jew

 

[JesusChica1991]

Jesus went to shoel/hades/death/the grave/the resting place of the dead.

And people who are 'sinful' *cough* to 'Gehinnom'. the 'righteous' go straight to 'Gan Eden' with their state of mind being 'elevated' or 'heaven'. 'hell' isn't a word that was ever in Jesus' vocabulary, nor the Jews'.

And if you go ask an old Jew or read an article that isn't inherently biased to the KJV .. you'll find out what 'gehinnom' is.

It's the word that was ACTUALLY spoken every time the bible reads 'hell'.

Then your concept of 'eternal punishment' becomes something different. Very much, a punishment that is eternal in the result it yield, but temporary in the time it takes for said result to be yielded.

Ask an old Jew

It does indeed exist...but not in terms of the context most Americans think of it. I've understood it to be this way: God's presence is absent. Basically, you will be lonely and you will suffer. We don't honestly too much about it though just as much as we don't know too much of heaven. Some of the descriptions in the Bible are comparisons but in our small minds, these places are not easily understood by man. We do know Heaven contains the presence of God whereas Hell does not. We do know that in Hell, there is gnashing of teeth. In Heaven, there is not. Just know that Heaven exists and "Hell" exists. And I quote it because that's not exactly the correct term for it. The correct term is Gehenna, Sheol, or in Greek "Hades". Hell is just the modern translation for most Christians although I prefer the terms provided in the Bible.

 

[xFuSioN]

he is the one in charge he says eternal torment if you die with out repenting so its real

 

[Meshullam]

It does indeed exist...but not in terms of the context most Americans think of it. I've understood it to be this way: God's presence is absent. Basically, you will be lonely and you will suffer. We don't honestly too much about it though just as much as we don't know too much of heaven. Some of the descriptions in the Bible are comparisons but in our small minds, these places are not easily understood by man. We do know Heaven contains the presence of God whereas Hell does not. We do know that in Hell, there is gnashing of teeth. In Heaven, there is not. Just know that Heaven exists and "Hell" exists. And I quote it because that's not exactly the correct term for it. The correct term is Gehenna, Sheol, or in Greek "Hades". Hell is just the modern translation for most Christians although I prefer the terms provided in the Bible.

But until I knew the significance of 'teeth' or the story of the breeding worm, or indeed of the 'fire of God', or what the difference between 'God-justice' and 'human justice' is, I might as well have been a baby suckling on milk and reading Aramaic ..