Jesus Is God and is I AM

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Blain

Blain

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This has been on my mind of late, people are divided about many things of Jesus and the bible. One that i don't understand why they remain divided is the trinity. I am going to say what is true regardless of opinions, Jesus is god. The father the son and the spirit are one and the same yet also at the same time the father, son and spirit. I will post scripture that proves this, yet knowing that even with proof of scripture some people will not accept it as truth or proof. this will be the only scripture of proof he is god i will post because it is all that is needed.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Truly, Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.

 
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iTOREtheSKY

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I don't understand why this would really be an issue for any Christian,given that to accept Christ you need to have faith & believe...so it would go for any aspect within the faith.
Example...
If I were married I'd be a husband
If I had children I'd be a father
If I was a pastor of a church I'd be a minister
That's 3 things I am...in ONE!
so not sure why or how even without scripture people find this concept hard to grasp.
I think of God as the Grat Almighty Multi-Tasker!
...come to him as little children
We complicate the simplicity of the gospel & Jesus too much
You either put your faith out there in HIM or you don't.
 
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kenisyes

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I don't think that any Christian disagrees the Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God. There are linguistic difficulties with saying that in Hebrew, since Hebrew lacks a general word for "God", and has only words that mean "God the Father" or a pagan "god". Jesus is neither of those, of course. That's also why it is hard to find a Scripture to support the statements, since the entire Bible was written by Jews, who, except for Paul and Luke, thought mainly in Hebrew.

There are some who do not like to talk about it also, because the doctrine of the "trinity", as a word, was put in place historically by the Catholic Church.
 
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Powemm

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Father
Son
Holy Sprit

I am from He who has sent me
 
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iTOREtheSKY

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iTOREtheSKY said:
I don't understand why this would really be an issue for any Christian,given that to accept Christ you need to have faith & believe...so it would go for any aspect within the faith.
Example...
If I were married I'd be a husband
If I had children I'd be a father
If I was a pastor of a church I'd be a minister
That's 3 things I am...in ONE!
so not sure why or how even without scripture people find this concept hard to grasp.
I think of God as the Grat Almighty Multi-Tasker!
...come to him as little children
We complicate the simplicity of the gospel & Jesus too much
You either put your faith out there in HIM or you don't.
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I would like to clarify...I meant "GREAT" ALMIGHTY (that would have driven me nuts if I didn't fix that) lol
 
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iTOREtheSKY

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kenisyes said:
I don't think that any Christian disagrees the Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God. There are linguistic difficulties with saying that in Hebrew, since Hebrew lacks a general word for "God", and has only words that mean "God the Father" or a pagan "god". Jesus is neither of those, of course. That's also why it is hard to find a Scripture to support the statements, since the entire Bible was written by Jews, who, except for Paul and Luke, thought mainly in Hebrew.

There are some who do not like to talk about it also, because the doctrine of the "trinity", as a word, was put in place historically by the Catholic Church.
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Pesky Catholics messing things up. lol j/k So what do you think Prof??? Is it worth debating...does God care one way or the other? Is our salvation hinging on the "trinity"? Is it another foolish debate that Christians are suckered into arguing about while the devil laughs & laughs at us as we chase our tails?
 
ANIOHEVTORAH

ANIOHEVTORAH

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Deut. 6:4
Sh'ma Yisrael YHVH Elohenu, YHVH echad.
Here O' Israel Lord our God, God is one.
 
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kenisyes

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Worth debating? Run a search for "trinity" in CC. It brings up almost 100 threads with over 6000 posts. Somebody thinks it's worth debating. I'm not one of them, which is why I gave a compact answer. But the last time I gave it, it caused a week's debate.

You may remember the Pentecostals of Dover church. They do not teach the trinity, since they are afraid someone might some day come up with a fourth Person.
 
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iTOREtheSKY

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kenisyes said:
Worth debating? Run a search for "trinity" in CC. It brings up almost 100 threads with over 6000 posts. Somebody thinks it's worth debating. I'm not one of them, which is why I gave a compact answer. But the last time I gave it, it caused a week's debate.

You may remember the Pentecostals of Dover church. They do not teach the trinity, since they are afraid someone might some day come up with a fourth Person.
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LOL..oh I didn't know. I wasn't being sarcastic about the "worth debating" I was just curious as to is it something people feel is that much of an issue..I guess it is from what you say. I do vaguely remember the Dover church,well Pentecostals have a lot of different views on stuff in the bible don't they. I remember growing up as a kid & people always mocking them. That was because of the whole speaking in tongues thing though,I think. I can't remember. I was like 5 when we were going to Calvary Gospel..it's all a blur. LOL
 
Blain

Blain

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Sadly there many people do not believe in the trinity, Even I do not grasp how the trinity is one. But I choose to believe it anyways because god said so in his word. That is what it takes to have radical faith, moses had radical faith. He did not understand at all why god chose him and when God said this will happen and i will do this, do this and then do this.... If he didn't trust what god said the jews would have failed. I don't understand most of what happens to me in my spiritual walk but whenever that happens I just tell my self( God knows what he is doing)
 
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iTOREtheSKY

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Blain said:
Sadly there many people do not believe in the trinity, Even I do not grasp how the trinity is one. But I choose to believe it anyways because god said so in his word. That is what it takes to have radical faith, moses had radical faith. He did not understand at all why god chose him and when God said this will happen and i will do this, do this and then do this.... If he didn't trust what god said the jews would have failed. I don't understand most of what happens to me in my spiritual walk but whenever that happens I just tell my self( God knows what he is doing)
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I feel the same way! If I were wrapped up in 100% understanding & having a perfect explanation for every single thing in my walk with Jesus & the bible then why would I need any sort of faith? I'm not saying be a zombie or drink the Kool-Aid...definitely seek God's truth & delve into the meat of his word,just go nuts if you find yourself not being able to comprehend it all.
 
Blain

Blain

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Today is a perfect example for me. for no reason at all i feel sad and gloomy, i cannot feel god at all and because of the rain that is coming it feels all mucky as the rain sometimes makes us feel. Do I understand why i feel this way or even if it is going to stay all day? No but i think god is doing something, he is up there hatching up a plan. You know what i have noticed about god/He is very sneaky. Like a good or playful kinda sneaky. Hence me saying he is hatching a plan. I tell of what to day is and he is up there sqying: Ha! wait until you see what i am going to do for you bwa hahahaha!
 
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Laodicea

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Blain said:
This has been on my mind of late, people are divided about many things of Jesus and the bible. One that i don't understand why they remain divided is the trinity. I am going to say what is true regardless of opinions, Jesus is god. The father the son and the spirit are one and the same yet also at the same time the father, son and spirit. I will post scripture that proves this, yet knowing that even with proof of scripture some people will not accept it as truth or proof. this will be the only scripture of proof he is god i will post because it is all that is needed.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Truly, Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.

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Yes Jesus is the I AM, He is God eternal, He is the one who gave the 10 Commandments on Mt Sinai. So when He said "If you love me keep my commandments" He is referring to the 10 commandments which He gave. Jesus did not come to destroy the Law.
 
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Laodicea

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ANIOHEVTORAH said:
Deut. 6:4
Sh'ma Yisrael YHVH Elohenu, YHVH echad.
Here O' Israel Lord our God, God is one.
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The word one in this verse means one as in united not one as in singular. Those who teach one singular God and use this verse as proof make the mistake by misinterpreting the word one. The Lord our God is united as one.
 
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CDavid

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Blain said:
This has been on my mind of late, people are divided about many things of Jesus and the bible. One that i don't understand why they remain divided is the trinity. I am going to say what is true regardless of opinions, Jesus is god. The father the son and the spirit are one and the same yet also at the same time the father, son and spirit. I will post scripture that proves this, yet knowing that even with proof of scripture some people will not accept it as truth or proof. this will be the only scripture of proof he is god i will post because it is all that is needed.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Truly, Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.

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You are correct. Jesus and God are one.
Many think the conception of Issac, John the Baptist, and baby Jesus were the only miracle conceptions.
Jesus was the first miraculous conception, and that conception took place before creation.
Unlike all the sons of God mentioned in Genesis, Jesus was the only begotten Son of God.
All the other sons of God (the angels) were created beings.
Christ was born of God before creation began; not a created being. This gave Him the God gene.
This is the most miraculous conception of all.
Completely without a female present God the Father begat the Son.
Using modern scientific terminology, God cloned Himself.
Therefore when Jesus said "I and my Father are one" He was completely accurate.
John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:3

All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

It is very clear that the Son was already in existence before creation began.
It is also clear that all things were created through Him.
One way to think of the creation story is: When God said let there be light, Jesus put the sun in the sky. Then God said it was good.
 
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livingepistle

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I respond with the greatest respect for your statement but have a question for you based upon your explanation: Please explain further and include an answer to this question; "If they are united in one, then how many Gods are there?" My question is to Laodicea
 
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livingepistle

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Blain, much respect for your belief but help my understanding by please explaining the "Trinity" and when did the "Trinitarian" doctrine become canonized and by what religious sect? I am just a student and researcher of the Bible as written by the Cambridge edition of the King James Bible. Again, my questions are in the utmost of respect for you as a believer in God. Thank you for your patience.
 
Blain

Blain

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livingepistle said:
Blain, much respect for your belief but help my understanding by please explaining the "Trinity" and when did the "Trinitarian" doctrine become canonized and by what religious sect? I am just a student and researcher of the Bible as written by the Cambridge edition of the King James Bible. Again, my questions are in the utmost of respect for you as a believer in God. Thank you for your patience.
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The trinity is also known as the God head three in one. Meaning that there is but one god but three parts of him. each part serves a different purpose. Jesus is known by many names. in Genesis he is the word. The word as Jesus is often depicted as the bible dipped in blood. He also the lamb, the savior many names indeed. The holy spirit is not a physical being, he is as the name depicts a spirit. I see him ans a combination of wind, fire and power. When god commands something the holy spirit makes it happen. Then there is god the father. He is a kind and caring father, He showed me his heart ( which is who is, his heart is him himself) All that is in there is Love. He could not show me even.000000000001 of his heart for it would be far to much for my body to handle. I mean even with the little he showed me I begged and begged to go home. I am afraid the trinity is all i can answer as i do not know what you are talking about with the other two questions
 
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livingepistle

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AMEN TO JESUS BEING THE GREAT "I AM"
 
ANIOHEVTORAH

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Laodicea said:
The word one in this verse means one as in united not one as in singular. Those who teach one singular God and use this verse as proof make the mistake by misinterpreting the word one. The Lord our God is united as one.
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No arguement that YAH is multi faceted. But He is One. I don't believe in the trinity that the church teaches.
 
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