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In chat tonight (or this morning, depending on time zone) we were talking about food substitutions. Thought I'd open a thread for a place of reference for new (and experienced) cooks to make suggestions.

My qualifications? I've been a home cook, and an excellent one for 36 years, and I've parlayed that interest into a full time food business. I'm all about making it work and maybe not doing everything 'technically' correct or following a recipe EXACTLY, but how to make things work for my palate and the ease of daily cooking.

So... have any questions?
 
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I'll start off: Did you know that if you are short an egg in a cake, quick bread or brownie recipe, you can use a 1/4 cup of mayo (not miracle whip/salad dressing).
 
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I use olive oil (mild) instead of butter for my bechamel sauce. Tastier and healthier.
 

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So much to ask really, not sub at the moment, but like if ppl dont like yogurt, how to hide it in other recipes w/o cooking. I mean yogurt ice cream is available and fine, but some ppl just dont, wont eat when they know u put in some in ice cream. There are so many recipes when ppl say just sub almond milk for something, but in fact most of what we have here is milk and coconut milk, as most others are imported, and hence a bit expensive. You know, both olive oil and butter are too..
 
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What is the purpose of the substitution? For expense reasons?

I'm not sure what items you are trying to substitute out. That might help me (us) to come up with solutions.
 
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hubby and I substitute 'organic yogurt' for so many things,
for thickening, for dressings, for sour cream, it's really
great in scrambled eggs, it tastes so good and it
also makes them very fluffy and light.

it's an extremely in-expensive way to get the beneficial
intestinal bacteria that we have to have in order
for good digestion.

always read the label for how many of the bacteria
are actually in the yogurt, it varies from
1 to six, the more the better.

remember, prescription drugs, especially anti-biotics 'kill'
the natural bacteria in the bowel, so we MUST put-back
the essential bacteria for normal and healthy digestion.
:)
 
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mar09

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Finally... internet so slow its just now i could rush a post.
Unlike many, some ppl perhaps take for granted many ingredients abundant where you live. Years ago, I read dairy production in the country is a mere 3% of its needs, and now sad to say, I saw 95% of our dairy needs are still being met by foreign companies or imported.
Tho we sometimes had butter when small, we grew up w/ margarine for most baking needs, altho I now see how much better butter is for stir-frying veggies and fish fillets, wc don’t sizzle too much and scald like most local oils for cooking so common here.
When I run out of butter or marg, peanut butter also for pie crust, I’d sub some honey, wc mind you is diluted many times also=( so runny. We used to be able to buy from the wet market honey with the comb, but the last time I did, you know it hadn’t the tang of pure honey. Never mind the crumbly consistency of graham crumbs, as long as theres a crust for egg pie or some other, but with plain flour what else can be used aside from lard also. There was that recipe of dates used as base for some cake-or pie-like recipes but lacking a food processor, we cannot always make the simple crusts or bases that seem so easy for some to make.
Oldnnew, yes milk and yogurt in eggs are nice. I was thinking also, yogurt when cooked would lack most its live bacteria content, wont it? Do you know how much heat/cooking or how long it could tolerate to be still live?
 

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PS.
Btw, cheese is a delightful dairy product we sometimes cant get enough of! Other substitutes? I once found this simpler recipe for the easist cheese to make, and unlike what most of us have been used to for example, spaghetti neednt always have meat and cheese so popular here. But ppl are always looking for the cheese when spag is served. And/but having other not so common types like grated parmesan however, those at home kind of ignore that, liking some less strong cheese brands=)=(. (Wasnt sure whether to smile or pout)
 

mar09

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Here, found there are options after all, like chickpeas, tofu... while soy is gmo free here yet?!
[h=1]Cheese Spreads[/h]4. Baked Almond Feta: Try it with or without the dill to simulate Greek feta cheese. This recipe is fantastically simple, with just almonds, oil, lemon juice and garlic.
5. Cashew Chive Spread: Great for bagels, this simple yet flavorful vegan cheese spread is a great starter cheese.
6. Vegan Cashew Cheese: This one’s blended in the VitaMix with a simple cashew-based recipe. It’s a great cream cheese substitute. The recipe is a little different than your standard cream cheese substitute, boasting a hint of hummus.
7. Nut Cheese Log Rolled in Chives: This cashew-based beauty is great for a party platter. Easy to make and it’s flashy on a cheese tray.
8. Chickpea Cheese: Created by a mom with nut-allergic kids, this is a unique cheese substitute made with pureed chickpeas.
[h=1]Nutmilk or Non-dairy Milk Cheeses[/h]9. Vegan Cottage Cheese: I love to pair this with fruit, or add it to lasagna layers. This one’s a simple dairy-free milk-based cottage cheese substitute.
10. Raw Vegan Almond Cheese: A great cream cheese substitute, raw vegan almond cheese is made from five simple ingredients, including almonds, nutritional yeast, lemon juice and salt.

16 DIY Whole Food Dairy Free Cheese Substitutes - Organic Authority
 
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Finally... internet so slow its just now i could rush a post.
Unlike many, some ppl perhaps take for granted many ingredients abundant where you live. Years ago, I read dairy production in the country is a mere 3% of its needs, and now sad to say, I saw 95% of our dairy needs are still being met by foreign companies or imported.
Tho we sometimes had butter when small, we grew up w/ margarine for most baking needs, altho I now see how much better butter is for stir-frying veggies and fish fillets, wc don’t sizzle too much and scald like most local oils for cooking so common here.
When I run out of butter or marg, peanut butter also for pie crust, I’d sub some honey, wc mind you is diluted many times also=( so runny. We used to be able to buy from the wet market honey with the comb, but the last time I did, you know it hadn’t the tang of pure honey. Never mind the crumbly consistency of graham crumbs, as long as theres a crust for egg pie or some other, but with plain flour what else can be used aside from lard also. There was that recipe of dates used as base for some cake-or pie-like recipes but lacking a food processor, we cannot always make the simple crusts or bases that seem so easy for some to make.
Oldnnew, yes milk and yogurt in eggs are nice. I was thinking also, yogurt when cooked would lack most its live bacteria content, wont it? Do you know how much heat/cooking or how long it could tolerate to be still live?
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mar,

we have found that it is best to add the yogurt at the end so that it doesn't take away from
its benefits.

we are great cheese lovers, but are very picky about the whole-ness of it -
the Sargento claims to be 'all cheese' and we do like to use this -
one day we will make our own cheeses, something to look forward to...:)

thanks for the receipes!!!
 
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Finally... internet so slow its just now i could rush a post.
Unlike many, some ppl perhaps take for granted many ingredients abundant where you live. Years ago, I read dairy production in the country is a mere 3% of its needs, and now sad to say, I saw 95% of our dairy needs are still being met by foreign companies or imported.
Tho we sometimes had butter when small, we grew up w/ margarine for most baking needs, altho I now see how much better butter is for stir-frying veggies and fish fillets, wc don’t sizzle too much and scald like most local oils for cooking so common here.
When I run out of butter or marg, peanut butter also for pie crust, I’d sub some honey, wc mind you is diluted many times also=( so runny. We used to be able to buy from the wet market honey with the comb, but the last time I did, you know it hadn’t the tang of pure honey. Never mind the crumbly consistency of graham crumbs, as long as theres a crust for egg pie or some other, but with plain flour what else can be used aside from lard also. There was that recipe of dates used as base for some cake-or pie-like recipes but lacking a food processor, we cannot always make the simple crusts or bases that seem so easy for some to make.
Oldnnew, yes milk and yogurt in eggs are nice. I was thinking also, yogurt when cooked would lack most its live bacteria content, wont it? Do you know how much heat/cooking or how long it could tolerate to be still live?
It may be the lack of sleep, but I am having problems following you here. If the honey has a crumbly texture, it just means it's sugared.... and that's a good thing. It means the honey is raw. Just put the jar or container, sealed tightly, in to a bath of hot water and the crystals will melt and your honey will run smooth. If it's the sort with the comb... I think you will have to google how to separate the comb/wax from the honey.
 
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In chat tonight (or this morning, depending on time zone) we were talking about food substitutions. Thought I'd open a thread for a place of reference for new (and experienced) cooks to make suggestions.

My qualifications? I've been a home cook, and an excellent one for 36 years, and I've parlayed that interest into a full time food business. I'm all about making it work and maybe not doing everything 'technically' correct or following a recipe EXACTLY, but how to make things work for my palate and the ease of daily cooking.

So... have any questions?
I'm minus my gall bladder, so I can't take a lot of oil, but I so love my desserts. I make brownies with applesauce, but I haven't caught the right ratio yet. Any help on how much applesauce to use when the original recipe says oil? It's definitely more, but I don't know how much more yet.
 
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Lynn - I'm so sorry I missed this!

I understand that the ratio is a 1:1 UNSWEETENED apple sauce for oil substitution in cakes - but it'll give you a moister, denser cake. In the case of brownies? They will come out cakey. You actually need fat to make some of the crispy edges. Another suggestion, if you want a fudgier brownie is reduce the egg by one, unless your recipe only has one.

BUT? You can also use mashed black beans (unseasoned refried black beans works, just get the fat free ones so you don't have any added fat there), or pumpkin puree, or prune puree (you can use baby food for that last one), and other people use banana. Some people were using mashed avocado, but it's fatty - though a good fat.

All of those solutions are 1:1 substitutions.
 
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atwhatcost

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Lynn - I'm so sorry I missed this!

I understand that the ratio is a 1:1 UNSWEETENED apple sauce for oil substitution in cakes - but it'll give you a moister, denser cake. In the case of brownies? They will come out cakey. You actually need fat to make some of the crispy edges. Another suggestion, if you want a fudgier brownie is reduce the egg by one, unless your recipe only has one.

BUT? You can also use mashed black beans (unseasoned refried black beans works, just get the fat free ones so you don't have any added fat there), or pumpkin puree, or prune puree (you can use baby food for that last one), and other people use banana. Some people were using mashed avocado, but it's fatty - though a good fat.

All of those solutions are 1:1 substitutions.
Beans are out, since we both have sensitive digestive systems. (And, yes, I know if you drink the same amount of water as beans it helps the pain of beans passing through, but we're even more sensitive than that.)

I have given up crispy sided brownies, just to have something resembling a brownie. (Actually, they taste closer to the offspring of an apple fritter and a brownie for the amount of applesauce I usually use. lol)
 
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Lynn...you are too cute! You tickle me! AND...you're real too...not phony! Which I must say I love about you! God does too sister! You have a wonderful day love! :)
 
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Apparently, the prune puree works better for chocolate things. Give it a try and report back, Lt Lynn. ;)
 

mar09

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Never mind the crumbly consistency of graham crumbs, as long as theres a crust for egg pie or some other, but with plain flour what else can be used aside from lard also? There was that recipe of dates used as base for some cake-or pie-like recipes but lacking a food processor, we cannot always make the simple crusts or bases that seem so easy for some to make.

It may be the lack of sleep, but I am having problems following you here. If the honey has a crumbly texture, it just means it's sugared.... and that's a good thing. It means the honey is raw. Just put the jar or container, sealed tightly, in to a bath of hot water and the crystals will melt and your honey will run smooth. If it's the sort with the comb... I think you will have to google how to separate the comb/wax from the honey.


Ole, There's a question i put in bold above wc i thought still wanted an answer for pie crusts. And since we're on cooking, let me ask this current one i was thinking about. Here it gets hot now its summer. And its common practice to make fried rice from leftover rice the night before. REcently i sometimes find even rice the night before when not refrigerated doesnt seem nice to cook again in the morning. This maybe due to really hot weather... or the variety?? To others (filipinos here?) cooking rice, what else do u do with cooked rice which is nice for breakfast?
 
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Maybe a cold rice pudding? Or add a bit of milk or cream, sugar or honey, raisins and cinnamon? It would maybe be a bit of a sweet cereal. That said? Americans don't use rice like they do where you are, and we always refrigerate leftovers...

As as for the pie crust, again I don't understand the question... Are you looking for a fat to use for pie crust, aside from lard? Butter makes a really nice crust.
 

mar09

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Yes, thanks. We make something usually with glutinous rice w/ cocoa, either coconut milk and some sugar, or add milk after it's cooked, called champorado. In cooler weather, we could leave cooked rice the night before unrefrigerated to make into fried rice usually in the morning. Now its often just hot, you'd like to refrigerate the rice overnight too.
Yes, butter is best, just that its double or so the price of margarines here. I finally just made the pineapples left last time into shake. thats the simplest i could do... but there was this small chinese pineapple pie i tasted before i think from taiwan. Its kind of like the fruit was first dried or cooked in sugar/syrup and the consistency was just like different than when u bake it directly in upside down cake, for ex. Did u ever try that. I like some of the dried but not too sweet stuff they sometimes have from vietnam i think like that taro and some other stuff.
 
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I really don't appreciate to cook!
And even to bake or to cut vegetables etc...
I'm serious about that,
It stresses me out,
I'm always afraid to burn something,
it's not my favorite hobby at all,,