Women Pastors: Is it Biblical? - By Pastor Lordson Roch
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There inthe Spirit of God where there is no other way to worship God is in Spirit and truth
therefore there is no male, no female, no Jew, no greek
For we all that beleive are
1 Corinthians 12:13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit
So why does man need to be a tyrant? and not love others as God has so graciously loved him through Christ. Giving each equal access to each other
therefore there is no male, no female, no Jew, no greek
For we all that beleive are
1 Corinthians 12:13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit
So why does man need to be a tyrant? and not love others as God has so graciously loved him through Christ. Giving each equal access to each other
Well Homewardbound, that verse of Scripture you referenced (1 Cor. 12:13) is talking about our positional standing in terms of Salvation. In terms of Salvation, we all have an equal ground.
But the roles and responsibilities of the man are still different from the roles and responsibilities of the women.
And who said that man needed to be a tyrant?
All brother Lordson Roch is doing is teaching from the Bible that women are not called to be preachers or pastors. Women have a different role in the churches.
They can serve in the church and ministry in many ways, but they are not called to be pastors, preachers, or bishops.
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not
a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. - 1 Timothy 2:7-15 (King James Bible)
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order. - 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 (King James Bible)
But the roles and responsibilities of the man are still different from the roles and responsibilities of the women.
And who said that man needed to be a tyrant?
All brother Lordson Roch is doing is teaching from the Bible that women are not called to be preachers or pastors. Women have a different role in the churches.
They can serve in the church and ministry in many ways, but they are not called to be pastors, preachers, or bishops.
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not
a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. - 1 Timothy 2:7-15 (King James Bible)
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order. - 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 (King James Bible)
Well Homewardbound, that verse of Scripture you referenced (1 Cor. 12:13) is talking about our positional standing in terms of Salvation. In terms of Salvation, we all have an equal ground.
But the roles and responsibilities of the man are still different from the roles and responsibilities of the women.
And who said that man needed to be a tyrant?
All brother Lordson Roch is doing is teaching from the Bible that women are not called to be preachers or pastors. Women have a different role in the churches.
They can serve in the church and ministry in many ways, but they are not called to be pastors, preachers, or bishops.
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. - 1 Timothy 2:7-15 (King James Bible)
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order. - 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 (King James Bible)
But the roles and responsibilities of the man are still different from the roles and responsibilities of the women.
And who said that man needed to be a tyrant?
All brother Lordson Roch is doing is teaching from the Bible that women are not called to be preachers or pastors. Women have a different role in the churches.
They can serve in the church and ministry in many ways, but they are not called to be pastors, preachers, or bishops.
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not
a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. - 1 Timothy 2:7-15 (King James Bible)
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order. - 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 (King James Bible)
John 4:23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 14:17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
So you go ahead and play man's game here on earth for our true hight priest is Christ and our worship place is in heaven here and now being dead to flesh daily and alive to God daily, so yes you are right we are all equal in heaven by God through Christ and this is where I personally live by god in the Spirit of God having my mind renewed to God forsaking all others as in beiing married to God by Christ
Now the true place of worship and where we are made citizens of: this is just what I see and you are free to be over others if you to, I am not I am equal made right to God in the prersence of God by God's Son Jesus Christ
[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)
8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Philippians 1:27
[ Live as Citizens of Heaven ] Above all, you must live as citizens of heaven, conducting yourselves in a manner worthy of the Good News about Christ. Then, whether I come and see you again or only hear about you, I will know that you are standing together with one spirit and one purpose, fighting together for the faith, which is the Good News.
Philippians 3:20But we are citizens of heaven, where the Lord Jesus Christ lives. And we are eagerly waiting for him to return as our Savior
We are not citizens of this world let alone earthly Churches that hebrews 8:1-4 clearly state about
We are as belkievers no longer belong to the flesh and or this world we belong to God as new creations in the resurrection of Christ, whereby God himnself alsoraises us from dead flesh after we die with Christ at the cross, God by the operation of raises us back to new life here and now as he did Christ his only begotten Son, and we the believers are included in this.
Now earthly fleshly worship is pleasing to God,no flesh in god's sight shall ever please God. the only flesh that ever did was Christ Jesus and we can't even come close to that for he was born of a virgin, being a life-giving Spirit.
Hope you see the differance between Flesh, this world and the Spirit of God
Ephesians 6:12For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.
And please do not think that these evil rulers are not in the world churches acting as angels of light doing their very best for us the laymen to work in the energy of our own flesh's and become divided and conquered, not serving God as God is tobe worshipped in Spirit and truth. No we got to have wars and rumors of wars, and not be equal, Man in control actinf as if he is doing God's work. Being good little Toby's and yet behind closed doors completely differant that what they profess, and not posses, yet doing a good Job acting, women do the same.
We need new life Brothers and Sisters, Life's here and noe in the Spirtit of God being born again to the kiingdom of heaven
Anyway, you all go right ahead and just look good in front of this world as if you got something.
The battle is flesh and Spirit of God through Christ, one controls the other. So you decide are you born of the Spirit of God or the same the Spirit of the flesh?
Yes Sister it goes a lot deeper than that, as well the women with shaven heads were from the temple above the Corinthian Church they were workers of the flesh, the temple they were from was a Broithel. And they infiltrated the Corinthians who knew they were forgiven but did not understand what this meant and these women got in the pulpit, decieved these men and women that were not of them, Gossiping started and even in 1 cor 5 Paul speaks of the one that wants his Fathers wife.
Heresy was had abounded, I mean since sin abounded grace much more so why not just grab what you want headed to be a Sodom and Gommorrah over not understanding the truth of what being 100% forgiven actually does by God's grace. So Paul had to get leagalistic and control them by the Flesh as they were still fleshly and not seeing that God through Christ has given then a new loife in God's Spirit by the resurrection
Where he said are you not still carnal
1 Corinthians 3:1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
When are we all that believe ever going to grow up? Letthose with ears hear
[h=3]Hebrews 5:11-6:6[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)
[h=3]A Call to Spiritual Growth[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]There is much more we would like to say about this, but it is difficult to explain, especially since you are spiritually dull and don’t seem to listen. [SUP]12 [/SUP]You have been believers so long now that you ought to be teaching others. Instead, you need someone to teach you again the basic things about God’s word. You are like babies who need milk and cannot eat solid food. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For someone who lives on milk is still an infant and doesn’t know how to do what is right. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong.
6 So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don’t need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deeds and placing our faith in God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]You don’t need further instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And so, God willing, we will move forward to further understanding.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened—those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, [SUP]5 [/SUP]who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come— [SUP]6 [/SUP]and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame.
Heresy was had abounded, I mean since sin abounded grace much more so why not just grab what you want headed to be a Sodom and Gommorrah over not understanding the truth of what being 100% forgiven actually does by God's grace. So Paul had to get leagalistic and control them by the Flesh as they were still fleshly and not seeing that God through Christ has given then a new loife in God's Spirit by the resurrection
Where he said are you not still carnal
1 Corinthians 3:1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
When are we all that believe ever going to grow up? Letthose with ears hear
[h=3]Hebrews 5:11-6:6[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)
[h=3]A Call to Spiritual Growth[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]There is much more we would like to say about this, but it is difficult to explain, especially since you are spiritually dull and don’t seem to listen. [SUP]12 [/SUP]You have been believers so long now that you ought to be teaching others. Instead, you need someone to teach you again the basic things about God’s word. You are like babies who need milk and cannot eat solid food. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For someone who lives on milk is still an infant and doesn’t know how to do what is right. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong.
6 So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don’t need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deeds and placing our faith in God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]You don’t need further instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And so, God willing, we will move forward to further understanding.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened—those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, [SUP]5 [/SUP]who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come— [SUP]6 [/SUP]and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame.
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Jesus treated women with respect.....He spoke to women in public at a time when that was a shocking thing to do.....women followed Him and saw to his needs and supported His ministry. as part of His ministry He taught that women are valuable. worthy of love and respect. at that time in history women had no opportunity to preach but supported the ministry and died for their faith. although more men are called to that office than women women are not exempt from that call. and it is His call not ours. we don't get to decide who God calls and who He doesn't. the message of this preacher on the video uses an argument not found in scripture. it cannot be validated as he presents it' childbearing can nowhere be found as any basis for exempting women from the pastoring role. neither can it be found that men not bearing children gives them the qualification for the task. this is an earthly rationalization for making his point
John 4:4-26
New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now he had to go through Samaria. [SUP]5 [/SUP]So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about noon.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” [SUP]8 [/SUP](His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? [SUP]12 [/SUP]Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, [SUP]14 [/SUP]but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“I have no husband,” she replied.
Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. [SUP]18 [/SUP]The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. [SUP]22 [/SUP]You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. [SUP]24 [/SUP]God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
[SUP]25 [/SUP]The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”
New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now he had to go through Samaria. [SUP]5 [/SUP]So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about noon.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” [SUP]8 [/SUP](His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? [SUP]12 [/SUP]Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, [SUP]14 [/SUP]but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“I have no husband,” she replied.
Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. [SUP]18 [/SUP]The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. [SUP]22 [/SUP]You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. [SUP]24 [/SUP]God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
[SUP]25 [/SUP]The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”
Jerusalem, yes women ought to be respected and loved, but they are not called to be preachers or pastors. God already made that clear in His holy word. Therefore, women are not called to be pastors or preachers. Now women do have a special role in child rearing and in guiding the house. That is a tremendous responsibility given to women, but again, women are not to usurp authority over the man but they are to be in subjection.
1 Timothy 2:9-15 KJV
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; [10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. [11] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. [12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. [13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve. [14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. [15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1 Corinthians 14:34-40 KJV
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. [36] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? [37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. [38] But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. [39] Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. [40] Let all things be done decently and in order.
1 Timothy 3:1-16 KJV
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. [2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; [3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; [4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; [5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) [6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. [7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. [8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; [9] Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. [10] And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. [11] Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. [12] Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. [13] For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. [14] These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly: [15] But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. [16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Timothy 2:9-15 KJV
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; [10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. [11] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. [12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. [13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve. [14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. [15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1 Corinthians 14:34-40 KJV
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. [36] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? [37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. [38] But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. [39] Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. [40] Let all things be done decently and in order.
1 Timothy 3:1-16 KJV
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. [2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; [3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; [4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; [5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) [6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. [7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. [8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; [9] Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. [10] And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. [11] Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. [12] Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. [13] For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. [14] These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly: [15] But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. [16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
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you mean you don't remember Anna?
Luke 2
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And there was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old, having lived with her husband seven years from her maidenhood,
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And as a widow even for eighty-four years. She did not go out from the temple [SUP][l][/SUP]enclosure, but was worshiping night and day with fasting and prayer.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And she too came up at that same hour, and she returned thanks to God and talked of [Jesus] to all who were looking for the redemption (deliverance) of Jerusalem.
Luke 2
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And there was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old, having lived with her husband seven years from her maidenhood,
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And as a widow even for eighty-four years. She did not go out from the temple [SUP][l][/SUP]enclosure, but was worshiping night and day with fasting and prayer.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And she too came up at that same hour, and she returned thanks to God and talked of [Jesus] to all who were looking for the redemption (deliverance) of Jerusalem.
And everyone seems to forget this. How is God worshipped? And how does God view us? seeing this after the cross and seeing the context of 1 Cor. why Paul wrote to them, what was the problem that he had to enforce order on them. When in truth we are free, yet not to take this grace for granted. Did Paul nit say that they were still carnal and he could only give them milk, not solid food, So he had to bring order to an out of line congregation, if we do not understand and take the grace of God for granted, we are in need of Law still. In the Cor. Church there was all sorts of things going on that was not considering others, was taking others for granted and not caring about their welfare So in light of all this, maybe one will see what and why Paul wrote as Paul wrote.
Now in 2 Cor. 7, Paul talks about them coming to a Godly sorrow over the Worldly one they had, and they changed to loving their neighbor as God loves them. By Love we all have been forgiven, so by Love God's we love and forgive back, and grow in God's grace, and stop this stereo typing garbage
Because Now that God can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth, God does not see male and female, nor Jew, or Greek. We are all one in God, baptized by the same Spirit all in one, for all of us that believe
1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Does this include females? HMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder
Now in 2 Cor. 7, Paul talks about them coming to a Godly sorrow over the Worldly one they had, and they changed to loving their neighbor as God loves them. By Love we all have been forgiven, so by Love God's we love and forgive back, and grow in God's grace, and stop this stereo typing garbage
Because Now that God can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth, God does not see male and female, nor Jew, or Greek. We are all one in God, baptized by the same Spirit all in one, for all of us that believe
1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Does this include females? HMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder
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Ive written on a simular question in another post somewhere ..
God is neither male nor female , He is not a respecter of persons..
Therefore saying He would respect a male pastor over a female pastor is a lie .
God speaks by the Holy spirit "to Christ" living in us .. therefore "His truth" abolishes the lie that Christ only lives in males and would only speak to christ in males .. Since our "auhority" is given to us "by God and not man " any word He gives to a vessel yielding to God "in Christ" in "His authority" is permitted as a yielding vessel submitted to God and God alone "is" permitted to speak "and" teach gods word under His authority . Submitting to mans authority who says we cant? "Who" then , if we believe man over God, becomes our Lord and Master?
Surely i tell you, by the authority of He who is in me has paid the price so i can.. God bless ")
God is neither male nor female , He is not a respecter of persons..
Therefore saying He would respect a male pastor over a female pastor is a lie .
God speaks by the Holy spirit "to Christ" living in us .. therefore "His truth" abolishes the lie that Christ only lives in males and would only speak to christ in males .. Since our "auhority" is given to us "by God and not man " any word He gives to a vessel yielding to God "in Christ" in "His authority" is permitted as a yielding vessel submitted to God and God alone "is" permitted to speak "and" teach gods word under His authority . Submitting to mans authority who says we cant? "Who" then , if we believe man over God, becomes our Lord and Master?
Surely i tell you, by the authority of He who is in me has paid the price so i can.. God bless ")
Powemm,
If God the Father is called the "father" (male),
Jesus Christ, the son, was clearly born as a man (male),
and the Holy Spirit is referred to as "he" (male)...
then how exactly is God neither male nor female?
I'm not bashing women, or anything like that, I'm just pointing out that all 3 parts of the godhead, in the scripture, are referred to as male, and never as female.
I think women are just great, and I didn't write the bible... so don't get mad at me.
: )
Powemm, you have to remember that God has given us His Doctrine and Revelation in His word. Read the Scriptures and study them. God does not call females to be pastors or preachers. God cannot contradict His word, and He already made it clear what the roles in a local New Testament church are and who qualifies for each role.
Women can do a lot of things to serve in the ministry. It's just that preaching and pastoring are not one of them. Only men are called to be pastors, bishops, and preachers. And if you have an issue with that Powemm, then you simply have an issue with the word of God in regard to this matter.
1 Timothy 2:9-15 KJV
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; [10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. [11] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. [12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. [13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve. [14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. [15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Women can do a lot of things to serve in the ministry. It's just that preaching and pastoring are not one of them. Only men are called to be pastors, bishops, and preachers. And if you have an issue with that Powemm, then you simply have an issue with the word of God in regard to this matter.
1 Timothy 2:9-15 KJV
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; [10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. [11] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. [12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. [13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve. [14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. [15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
God can do anything God chooses, I would be careful, if I were you, remember the Pharisees and what did John say to them, being holier than thou
[h=3]Matthew 3:8-9[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
So are we to see from the flesh or the Spirit of God? How is the only way to worship God? Does any flesh other than Christ's please God?
Born again in the Spirit of God by the resurrected Christ how does God view us?
maybe you might need to re-think your truth, you are in error and I consider you in Love of God and used KJV to prove the point
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
In the Spirit of God there is no male, female, Jew, Greek and or Gentile. Circumcision is of the heart not of the flesh.
As a person of flesh if we sow flesh, whether we want to think about it or not we thus do flesh and get all trapped up in and there is thus no freedom, none. So as you are talking stereotyping and using the word as this is the way it is to be, has no Mercy in it and is thinking sacrifice when God prefers Mercy over sacrifice. God has through the cross given this Mercy to all, yet not all have believed it and have to have rules and regulation, traditions in the way.
Again Chosen by him there is a lot to learn from God forsaking man and man's traditional ways. For instance where is the true Tabernacle, place of worship at, do you know? I am not attacking you, I am showing you that we all are the same from God's vantage point. Man's vantage is to control the masses. The difference between flesh and the Spirit of God
All in Love to you, you have in many posts come across as you want to know nothing but the truth.
So are you of God in the Spirit? I know anyone can believe and God is there for them. So what is the way to walk by Flesh or by the Spirit of God?
[h=3]Matthew 3:8-9[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
So are we to see from the flesh or the Spirit of God? How is the only way to worship God? Does any flesh other than Christ's please God?
Born again in the Spirit of God by the resurrected Christ how does God view us?
maybe you might need to re-think your truth, you are in error and I consider you in Love of God and used KJV to prove the point
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
In the Spirit of God there is no male, female, Jew, Greek and or Gentile. Circumcision is of the heart not of the flesh.
As a person of flesh if we sow flesh, whether we want to think about it or not we thus do flesh and get all trapped up in and there is thus no freedom, none. So as you are talking stereotyping and using the word as this is the way it is to be, has no Mercy in it and is thinking sacrifice when God prefers Mercy over sacrifice. God has through the cross given this Mercy to all, yet not all have believed it and have to have rules and regulation, traditions in the way.
Again Chosen by him there is a lot to learn from God forsaking man and man's traditional ways. For instance where is the true Tabernacle, place of worship at, do you know? I am not attacking you, I am showing you that we all are the same from God's vantage point. Man's vantage is to control the masses. The difference between flesh and the Spirit of God
All in Love to you, you have in many posts come across as you want to know nothing but the truth.
So are you of God in the Spirit? I know anyone can believe and God is there for them. So what is the way to walk by Flesh or by the Spirit of God?
You hang in there, and know truth between God and you, we all are equal, by God's grace made one
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit
Can't be a priest in Moses, Yep, that is truth, and therefore Christ being our high Priest that lives forever, in the order of Melchizadek, we are participants, representatives for God, whether male or female. God has by Christ's burial, resurrection and ascension, has delivered us his life-force, The Holy Ghost to bring us up into Christ-like.
But this first takes one dying to self, at the death of Christ, a co-crucifixion if you will, where one is pronounced dead, and then the operation of God goes to work, and re-birth takes place as a gift from God, born again by the Spirit of God, thanks to Christ who took away the sin first, so that Father could perform this Spiritual operation in you, me and all that come to belief
Does anyone think this below? So therefore we get all doctrinal and everyone in their place as we see it to be, when not everyone sees it the same, being in the flesh this is the way it is, but in the Spirit we are all one,
Christ does not come into our lives to patch up the "old man." Here is where unnumbered multitudes of Christians have been "hung up."
Self to be undone, and God the Spirit to be the lead. If one is trying to clean up and or patch up, then self is not dead with Christ back at the cross.
No male, no female, no Jew, no Greek, no Gentile, we are all one in Christ. Okay let's be legalistic, Paul when he was Saul was very legalistic, and counted all that he had done as rubbish, yet did better in the flesh than anyone else Phil. 3
But this first takes one dying to self, at the death of Christ, a co-crucifixion if you will, where one is pronounced dead, and then the operation of God goes to work, and re-birth takes place as a gift from God, born again by the Spirit of God, thanks to Christ who took away the sin first, so that Father could perform this Spiritual operation in you, me and all that come to belief
Does anyone think this below? So therefore we get all doctrinal and everyone in their place as we see it to be, when not everyone sees it the same, being in the flesh this is the way it is, but in the Spirit we are all one,
Christ does not come into our lives to patch up the "old man." Here is where unnumbered multitudes of Christians have been "hung up."
Self to be undone, and God the Spirit to be the lead. If one is trying to clean up and or patch up, then self is not dead with Christ back at the cross.
No male, no female, no Jew, no Greek, no Gentile, we are all one in Christ. Okay let's be legalistic, Paul when he was Saul was very legalistic, and counted all that he had done as rubbish, yet did better in the flesh than anyone else Phil. 3