My neighbor, the witch

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When I write that my neighbor is a witch, I do not mean this as an insult. Because she is a witch, a Wiccan, to be exact. Yesterday we met on the stairs, talked about this and that, about "God and the world," as it is called here in Germany. I also told her about this forum. She laughed, and said that people would be in such forums often limited in their thinking.
And she proposed to test this Forum.
I should come out around the forum as Wiccan, should do so as if Christians would be stupid fools willingly follow their butcher. At your response, I would then see how stupid and naive you were.
Why am I telling you this?
I have always been for honesty to people dealing with each other.
In the night (it's about an hour ago), I had a dream. Not like Martin Luther King.
Horrible looking creature stood by my bed, wanted to eat me. Of this I woke up. Can there be any be a connection? Or is it just coincidence?
 
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Ugly

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Don't look for things to find connections to. It's easy to go around claiming one thing means something, but rarely is their any truth behind such claims.
 
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I don't know if there is any connection. But I want to thank you for being honest to the people in this forum. I appreciate that very much, Gerlinde. :)
 
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I thank you for your answers. Maybe really was nothing to it, and it all just a nightmare? Who knows.
May I ask you all a question or two?

Question 1: Do any of you ever considered it (thought not done so); that it might be possible to fall in love with a person of the same sex?

Question 2: Why do some of you believe, that some people regard science as a religion, worship science?

My opinion on question 2: I see science as something positive. Asking questions, trying to go to the bottom of things. Thus gaining insights. So we do know, for example, that some stories of the Bible are true, others not

My opinion on Question 1: Through scientific research, we know that man is inherently predisposed bisexual. Several factors contribute to the fact that people can also develop heterosexual or homosexual. Sexuality per sé is not a sin, but only if it is used incorrectly. And sex is much more than penetration. It is also intimacy, closeness, the other important than to take care of yourself, be there for each other.
As a woman of transsexual past that had both romantic relationships with women as well as men, I know what I'm talking about!
 

posthuman

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what will it prove if you demonstrate that Christians do not approve of witchcraft?
 

damombomb

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Same sex is an abomination, so is witchcraft is idolatry. The word is clear on these things.
 
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My dear Gerlinde, the older I get the more I realize that all I know about science, philosophy, religion, etc. doesn't even touch on the reality of Jesus Christ Himself.

Man's understanding, man's interpretation, man's opinions, man's knowledge can't compare to the Sovereignty of Jesus Christ our Lord. I advise you to abandon all your heart to Him and "try Him", as He says.

"Try me in this and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it." We can't out give God. If we give all of ourselves to Him, our whole heart, all our thoughts, our questions, our anticipation, our hope, our entire life to Him, He will pour out all of Himself to us and meet all of our needs according to His riches in glory. That is His promise to us.

What have we got to lose? Pain? Restlessness? Confusion? Anxiety? Try the Lord and see if He is Who He says He is. If He is not, you have lost nothing. But if He is, you have everything to gain.

I can honestly say with the Apostle Paul, "When I come to you, brothers and sisters, I'm not coming to you with superiority of speech or of my own wisdom when I proclaim the testimony of God. For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified." [I Corinthians 2:1,2]

Jesus Christ is the only answer I know.
 

Angela53510

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I think I am confused by the OP. Are you saying you are a Wiccan, or just that this witch neighbour told you to say it, in order to see how "narrow minded" we are? It would NOT be honest to represent yourself as being Wiccan if you weren't, which makes me think that you cannot trust this Wiccan neighbour, who does not value honesty. If she would have you trick us, she could easily be lying to you, too!

I guess it is narrow minded to believe that only Jesus is the way, the truth and the love. But I tried many religions before I found Christ, and I found no help for my emptiness, loneliness or anger. Only God can change a heart and a life, and he changed mine.

I studied with Hindus, meditated with Buddhists, danced with Sufis, and ran with a generally New Age crowd. I read the books of Alice Bailey, and her theosophy, and just about drove myself crazy. I was an atheist for about 5 years, which were the worst years of my life, and I also spent time as a humanist and an agnostic.

But the question is - Have your tried Christ, Gerlinde?

The only way to find out if being a Christian is the right way, is to try it. I could give you my testimony forever. I'm writing it into a book, and it is unbelievable what I believed before I came to Christ, and how it always took me downhill, compared to my life IN Christ, which has been a gradual unfolding of peace, love and joy, as I walk forward with Christ each day.

Strangely, your Wiccan friend has an element of truth. Jesus did say that the way was narrow that leads to eternal life.

“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." Matt 7: 13-14

So how about trying to follow Christ and see where it leads? I can assure you, if you seek God with all your heart, you will find him.

"But from there you will seek the Lord your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul." Deut. 4:29

"Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the Lord, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, declares the Lord, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile." Jeremiah 29:12-14

"And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him." Hebrews 11:6


Praying for you to find Christ!
 
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Same sex is an abomination, so is witchcraft is idolatry. The word is clear on these things.
Perhaps witchcraft and idolatry is an abomination in the sight of God, homosexuality, however, it is not! And I'll tell you why. Take, for example, the two quotes from Leviticus. As the writer used the word "abomination" in Hebrew / Aramaic the word to'ebah (I hope I did it accurately reproduced). And the word describes what we call today a "taboo". Something that was improper to enter the temple, since it was considered "unclean". Through a ritual bath, the (somewhat "unclean" "pure" make again) "mikveh" that exists in Judaism for this purpose even today, someone could be cleaned to go into the temple.
Because this chapter in Leviticus are about the purity of the temple, the purity of their priests, and ultimately the purity of the Jewish people.
By the way, through the atonement of Christ the law of Moses was fulfilled.
 
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Violet and all the others,

I come from the LDS church where elderly men claim to speak on behalf of God. That this are lears, I do not need to explain more. In the history of mankind have always been men (much more rarely women), who claimed to speak in the name of God and / or to act. Many terrible crimes were justified on this.. Working hypothesis: If such cases in the history of mankind were frequent and occur; is it not possible, if not likely, that even people in the Bible did such a thing? Or the people who wrote down this?
 
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BTW. I'm NOT a wiccan, and I still didn't believe in witchcraft/sorcery. But I guess, I may be fall in love in my neighbor.
 
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Perhaps witchcraft and idolatry is an abomination in the sight of God, homosexuality, however, it is not! And I'll tell you why. Take, for example, the two quotes from Leviticus. As the writer used the word "abomination" in Hebrew / Aramaic the word to'ebah (I hope I did it accurately reproduced). And the word describes what we call today a "taboo". Something that was improper to enter the temple, since it was considered "unclean". Through a ritual bath, the (somewhat "unclean" "pure" make again) "mikveh" that exists in Judaism for this purpose even today, someone could be cleaned to go into the temple.
Because this chapter in Leviticus are about the purity of the temple, the purity of their priests, and ultimately the purity of the Jewish people.
By the way, through the atonement of Christ the law of Moses was fulfilled.
Gerlinde, if you look at the account of Sodom and Gomorra you will see that God destroyed these cities for their homosexual practices. The Bible described it in Jude as going after strange flesh. God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow and He will never change.

Regarding your comment that the law of Moses was fulfilled, it is a lie from the pits of hell. Please read these verses again and dig into the history and you will see that Jesus and his disciples kept the Torah to the letter even after He was crucified.
 
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Gerlinde, if you look at the account of Sodom and Gomorra you will see that God destroyed these cities for their homosexual practices. The Bible described it in Jude as going after strange flesh. God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow and He will never change.
Gandalf, your great magician and sorcerer, didn't you know the Bible? The sin of these two cities wasn't homosexuality, as it is said by a biblical Prophet:

Ezekeiel 16:49-50:"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."
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Both quotes never mentioned homosexuality.

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Regarding your comment that the law of Moses was fulfilled, it is a lie from the pits of hell. Please read these verses again and dig into the history and you will see that Jesus and his disciples kept the Torah to the letter even after He was crucified.
So, you call Paul a liar, because he wrote in the letter to the Galatians about it.

Galatians 3: 23-25:


23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, rthe law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian...



Have a look at this book.
 
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Gandalf, your great magician and sorcerer, didn't you know the Bible? The sin of these two cities wasn't homosexuality, as it is said by a biblical Prophet:

Ezekeiel 16:49-50:"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."
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[TD]Jeremiah 23:14:"...among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible: They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns from his wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me; the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah."

Both quotes never mentioned homosexuality.

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Jude1:7 “Remember Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbouring towns; like the angels, they committed fornication and followed unnatural lusts; and they paid the penalty in eternal fire, an example for all to see.”

You are trying to hide behind the word of God with your own lust and unfortunately it doesn’t work like that.

So, you call Paul a liar, because he wrote in the letter to the Galatians about it.

Galatians 3: 23-25:


23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, rthe law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian...



Have a look at this book.
You are aware that the Jews have two laws? Hint, Paul was a Jew with two laws…
 
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...My opinion on Question 1: Through scientific research, we know that man is inherently predisposed bisexual. Several factors contribute to the fact that people can also develop heterosexual or homosexual. Sexuality per sé is not a sin, but only if it is used incorrectly. And sex is much more than penetration. It is also intimacy, closeness, the other important than to take care of yourself, be there for each other.
As a woman of transsexual past that had both romantic relationships with women as well as men, I know what I'm talking about!
Incoming message from the Big Giant Head! :rolleyes:

 
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Gandalf, you quoted jude 1:7. I would like to thank you for it. Here a quote from an interesting website:

The NET Bible
Comments on Jude

The NET Bible, in Burgundy Leather

"Greek "strange flesh" - This phrase has been variously interpreted. It could refer to flesh of another species (such as angels lusting after human flesh). This would aptly describe the sin of the angels, but not easily explain the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.
It could refer to the homosexual practices of the Sodomites, but a difficulty arises from the use of ετερος (hetero"; "strange," "other"). When this is to be distinguished from ἄλλος (allos, "another") it suggests "another of a different kind." If so, would that properly describe homosexual behavior?
In response, the language could easily be compact: "pursued flesh other than what was normally pursued." However, would this find an analogy in the lust of angels (such would imply that angels normally had sexual relations of some sort, but compare with Matthew 22:30.
Another alternative is that the focus of the parallel is on the activity of the surrounding cities and the activity of the angels. This is especially plausible since the participles ἐκπορνεύσασαι (ekporneusasai, "having indulged in sexual immorality") and ἀπελθοῦσαι (apelqousai, "having pursued") have concord with "cities" (πόλεις, poleis), a feminine plural noun, rather than with Sodom and Gomorrah (both masculine nouns). If so, then their sin would not necessarily have to be homosexuality.
However, most likely the feminine participles are used because of constructio ad sensum (construction according to sense). That is, since both Sodom and Gomorrah are cities, the feminine is used to imply that all the cities are involved.
The connection with angels thus seems to be somewhat loose: Both angels and Sodom and Gomorrah indulged in heinous sexual immorality. Thus, whether the false teachers indulge in homosexual activity is not the point; mere sexual immorality is enough to condemn them."
See The NET Bible - a product of theologically conservative Dallas Theological Seminary alumni, on Jude 6 and 7.
Source: https://christiangays.com/articles/brentlinger1.shtml

That means, that you can see one quote in different ways.
 
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Lots of ifs and buts.... (some more for you) BUT it is your choice, BUT I know you are wrong, IF you listen to the deceivers you will be deceived.

No wonder! The whole Bible is an "ifs and "buts. There is no clear evidence for or against something.