Can Christians lose their salvation?

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Filledwithhope

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I know this topic has been debated for a long time but lately, I have been wanting to study this topic. If someone sincerely became a born again Christian, still loves the Lord but gets in to trouble and in repeated sin, such as addictions. Are they still saved? I know some people that have gone through this and returned to the Lord and some that have repeated episodes of this and I wonder, if they were to die today while in their sin, would they be saved? I have studied the bible on the matter but I am getting mixed answers from what I have learned. I know salvation is ETERNAL and not earned by what you do and don't do. Yet the bible has clear warnings on the matter as well. Any thoughts?
 
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I know this topic has been debated for a long time but lately, I have been wanting to study this topic. If someone sincerely became a born again Christian, still loves the Lord but gets in to trouble and in repeated sin, such as addictions. Are they still saved? I know some people that have gone through this and returned to the Lord and some that have repeated episodes of this and I wonder, if they were to die today while in their sin, would they be saved? I have studied the bible on the matter but I am getting mixed answers from what I have learned. I know salvation is ETERNAL and not earned by what you do and don't do. Yet the bible has clear warnings on the matter as well. Any thoughts?
One can not lose something they do not yet have! Salvation only comes after one is dead and in a blink of an eye when Jesus returns. Jesus gave the example of death and life after but He first told us about being born again as life after death is called in the Bible. Baptism is a big part of the story and in His example He waited till He was an adult and for us that is about 25 years old but in the past 30 was about right. Well you asked for thoughts and that is the best I have at this time.

Mac.
 

Grandpa

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Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
 

Grandpa

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A christian cannot lose their salvation.

The only question is when does a christian have salvation.

Do we have to die in order to have faith in Christ? I am not dead and I have faith in Christ.

Romans 8
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
 

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Good thing this is hidden on this Forum instead of being on that other Forum which will remain unnamed........ :)

(nah, I'm not gonna argue this theology.............not like it hasn't already been done)
 

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Ok, I'm going to spill the beans. Go to the Bible Discussion Forum and you will see some heated arguments on this topic.

As for you Mac, you are obviously a heretic or in some really weird cult.

We certainly can be assured of our salvation before we die. And we are saved from the moment we believe in Christ and repent of our sins.

"Therefore, since we are justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 5:1

https://carm.org/verses-showing-justification-by-faith

"21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus." Romans 3:21-26
 
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Filledwithhope

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Thanks guys! Good posts. I am simply wanting to dig deeper and study this topic :)
 
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1 st Timithy 4:1
king james version(kjv)

1.)Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
 

Joidevivre

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Could "departing from the faith" possibly mean that they left the beginnings of their belief in Christ before actually surrendering themselves into a full relationship with him?

I've always thought it was more a question of what we did with our salvation instead of can we lose it. Some are said to be barely saved as through fire, and others are given great rewards who bear much fruit.

God cuts away those branches who do not bear fruit, but those who do not were not really connected to Christ. Which takes me back to my first sentence. They might never have been "connected". "If you abide in me, you will bear great fruit" - Jesus.
 
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Ok, I'm going to spill the beans. Go to the Bible Discussion Forum and you will see some heated arguments on this topic.

As for you Mac, you are obviously a heretic or in some really weird cult.

We certainly can be assured of our salvation before we die. And we are saved from the moment we believe in Christ and repent of our sins.

"Therefore, since we are justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 5:1

https://carm.org/verses-showing-justification-by-faith

"21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus." Romans 3:21-26
When did God the Father give Jesus the Son Salvation.
Jesus said He is the example to follow therefore human mortal people are not saved yet.
Did you find a verse that says some humans are saved now I would like to read such because one has to die first.

Mac.
 

Grandpa

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When did God the Father give Jesus the Son Salvation.
Jesus said He is the example to follow therefore human mortal people are not saved yet.
Did you find a verse that says some humans are saved now I would like to read such because one has to die first.

Mac.
Ephesians 2
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


God only gives us His Gift of Grace, Faith and Salvation after we physically die? That is a sad faith.

God has saved us, is saving us and will save us. All three, all the time.
 
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Could "departing from the faith" possibly mean that they left the beginnings of their belief in Christ before actually surrendering themselves into a full relationship with him?

I've always thought it was more a question of what we did with our salvation instead of can we lose it. Some are said to be barely saved as through fire, and others are given great rewards who bear much fruit.

God cuts away those branches who do not bear fruit, but those who do not were not really connected to Christ. Which takes me back to my first sentence. They might never have been "connected". "If you abide in me, you will bear great fruit" - Jesus.
so you are saying that if you don't do anything with your salvation you weren't really saved?

That's why I have a hard time getting full revelation.
Would it be possible to really get saved and not renew your mind then later depart from the faith?
 
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Ephesians 2
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


God only gives us His Gift of Grace, Faith and Salvation after we physically die? That is a sad faith.

God has saved us, is saving us and will save us. All three, all the time.
Your quote does not say one is saved now nor does it imply one is saved now.

Thanks for you post.
Mac.
 
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Filledwithhope

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Hello my brother mac4yuma,
I appreciate your posts brother but I would like to point out that yes I see the verse grandpa posted as being "now" it says you are saved... And remember, God sees past, present and future all at once so with that I would say we already have our salvation. ;-) God bless
 
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Filledwithhope

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And Jesus was not "given" salvation. He is God. He did that for us from his free will :) he was always God and "saved"
But I will say salvation doesn't make us incapable of sin. What Paul was talking about is staying and dwelling in sin, not an act of sin. Like suicide. Yes I am opening a can of worms for the Pharisees to attack me again
...:) and this site is one of the few where the nastiness is Amazing!! And these are "Christians" who "love" their brothers and sisters.. I tell u pagan sites are more "loving" so tell me again what is a Christian..?? Shame on most of you. Fakes
 

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I have posted this before. What God does is eternal. If you are born again you cannot be unborn.
 

Grandpa

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Your quote does not say one is saved now nor does it imply one is saved now.

Thanks for you post.
Mac.
You don't understand faith?

We ARE saved by Grace through Faith. Past, Present and Future tense.

How could Paul, or anyone else, speak authoritatively about Salvation if they didn't experience it? They would have to die, and then come back in order to say we are saved and the manner in which we are saved. If salvation only came after we died.

I suppose that doesn't make any sense to you, either.

Faith is not confined to time or circumstances. Faith doesn't understand past, present and future. Faith believes that it has effectively already happened, is right now happening and will effectively happen in the future all at once.

How can I tell you about faith like I just have? Because I have personally experienced it, am personally experiencing it, will experience it in the future... By Faith.

All I can do is share the faith that I have. I can't give it to you.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
 

Grandpa

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can a Christian become reprobate?
Matthew 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

Not one with faith.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

In order to be christian you must have been saved by grace through faith. In order to then be reprobate God would have to take away His Gifts of Salvation, Grace and Faith. Which, by Faith, we know He does Not do.

So a christian to become reprobate must have been a christian in name only, not knowing Christ or His Work or His Gifts.
 
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psychomom

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you know what's kinda interesting?
the Gospel in Ezekiel.

Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for My holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you went. “I will vindicate the holiness of My great name which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD,” declares the Lord GOD, “when I prove Myself holy among you in their sight.

“For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land. “Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. “Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. “I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances. “You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers; so you will be My people, and I will be your God. “Moreover, I will save you from all your uncleanness; and I will call for the grain and multiply it, and I will not bring a famine on you. “I will multiply the fruit of the tree and the produce of the field, so that you will not receive again the disgrace of famine among the nations.

Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good, and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and your abominations. “I am not doing this for your sake,” declares the Lord GOD, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your ways, O house of Israel!” ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will cause the cities to be inhabited, and the waste places will be rebuilt. “The desolate land will be cultivated instead of being a desolation in the sight of everyone who passes by. “They will say, ‘This desolate land has become like the garden of Eden; and the waste, desolate and ruined cities are fortified and inhabited.’

“Then the nations that are left round about you will know that I, the LORD, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted that which was desolate; I, the LORD, have spoken and will do it.” (Ez 36:22-36)



the Most High accomplishes salvation for His people.

it's quite permanent. :)