Medicine

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AllanSnackbar

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At one point in time there was no over the counter medicine to take if you were Ill.

At one point in time it is feasible to say that people would pray or perform some sort of ritual to cure a disease. Anything from simply outright asking a good to get rid of a disease to sacrificing a goat as an offering so the disease will be taken away.

Then medicine came along. What was the driving force for that? Did people say "Hmm, these dead goats don't seem to be working, or these prayers don't seem to be doing much in ratio. So let's create a medicine to cure it"

Or

Did God say "Guys, I've got bigger problems to deal with. Here, Here's how you make this medicine. Now leave me alone!"

Because at some point in the past, people were dying of basic illnesses. Now not so much.

Was medicine a gift from God? Or was it a mutiny of Man who didn't trust the more 'traditional' methods of trying to rid someone of illness?
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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Are those our only options? :(
 
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atwhatcost

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AllanSnackbar said:
At one point in time there was no over the counter medicine to take if you were Ill.

At one point in time it is feasible to say that people would pray or perform some sort of ritual to cure a disease. Anything from simply outright asking a good to get rid of a disease to sacrificing a goat as an offering so the disease will be taken away.

Then medicine came along. What was the driving force for that? Did people say "Hmm, these dead goats don't seem to be working, or these prayers don't seem to be doing much in ratio. So let's create a medicine to cure it"

Or

Did God say "Guys, I've got bigger problems to deal with. Here, Here's how you make this medicine. Now leave me alone!"

Because at some point in the past, people were dying of basic illnesses. Now not so much.

Was medicine a gift from God? Or was it a mutiny of Man who didn't trust the more 'traditional' methods of trying to rid someone of illness?
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Bad assumption on top of bad assumption on top of bad assumption.

Simply because it wasn't in pill form, doesn't mean there was a time without medicine. Herbs are often medicine. Next time you have a tummy ache, suck on a peppermint Life Saver. Better yet, chew some peppermint leaves. Bad breath? Eat some dill. Headache? Try a warm compress of coco leaves. (Yup. Same leaves that make cocaine.) Itch from a mosquito bite? Rub bee balm. A wound? Try some lavender or frankincense. Frankincense is also good for arthritis and menstrual cramps, albeit, you'll never need it for that. lol (There was a reason the Israelites had lots of frankincense and olive oil for their 40 year journey.)

There was never a time when Man had no medicine. It's just more recently we put it in pill form (or as candy.)

Dead goats? Never was a medical practice. True, the Israelites were the first to sacrifice goats, but sin offering, not healing. Big difference, although other cultures adopted the offering once they caught on that the Israelites seemed so successful.

God does heal sometimes. He also gave man the common sense to learn how to use what is at our disposal to deal with all sorts of problems -- including health problems.

Not much has changed since the earliest times. We're still using medicine for one thing to see if it works for something else. AND, we're still using Vitamin B-17 thinking it might cure cancer. BTW, mint? Also good for bad breath, which explains why so many cultures associate mint with eating lamb. Thousands of years later, and many people still know which herbs are good for which problems. So, no. Nothing changed.
 
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AllanSnackbar

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atwhatcost said:
Bad assumption on top of bad assumption on top of bad assumption.

Simply because it wasn't in pill form, doesn't mean there was a time without medicine. Herbs are often medicine. Next time you have a tummy ache, suck on a peppermint Life Saver. Better yet, chew some peppermint leaves. Bad breath? Eat some dill. Headache? Try a warm compress of coco leaves. (Yup. Same leaves that make cocaine.) Itch from a mosquito bite? Rub bee balm. A wound? Try some lavender or frankincense. Frankincense is also good for arthritis and menstrual cramps, albeit, you'll never need it for that. lol (There was a reason the Israelites had lots of frankincense and olive oil for their 40 year journey.)

There was never a time when Man had no medicine. It's just more recently we put it in pill form (or as candy.)

Dead goats? Never was a medical practice. True, the Israelites were the first to sacrifice goats, but sin offering, not healing. Big difference, although other cultures adopted the offering once they caught on that the Israelites seemed so successful.

God does heal sometimes. He also gave man the common sense to learn how to use what is at our disposal to deal with all sorts of problems -- including health problems.

Not much has changed since the earliest times. We're still using medicine for one thing to see if it works for something else. AND, we're still using Vitamin B-17 thinking it might cure cancer. BTW, mint? Also good for bad breath, which explains why so many cultures associate mint with eating lamb. Thousands of years later, and many people still know which herbs are good for which problems. So, no. Nothing changed.
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The goats thing was in reference to other traditional practices. Not Christianity. My apologies.

So are you saying the diseases and complications that we can cure today we have always been able to cure?
 
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KennethC

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AllanSnackbar said:
At one point in time there was no over the counter medicine to take if you were Ill.

At one point in time it is feasible to say that people would pray or perform some sort of ritual to cure a disease. Anything from simply outright asking a good to get rid of a disease to sacrificing a goat as an offering so the disease will be taken away.

Then medicine came along. What was the driving force for that? Did people say "Hmm, these dead goats don't seem to be working, or these prayers don't seem to be doing much in ratio. So let's create a medicine to cure it"

Or

Did God say "Guys, I've got bigger problems to deal with. Here, Here's how you make this medicine. Now leave me alone!"

Because at some point in the past, people were dying of basic illnesses. Now not so much.

Was medicine a gift from God? Or was it a mutiny of Man who didn't trust the more 'traditional' methods of trying to rid someone of illness?
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Medicine has always been around, just not in the pharmaceutical aspect.

Even in the book of Genesis it says everything made from God was done to suit a purpose, and when used for those purposes properly would fulfill His will. He made plants and herbs with healing aspects, as well as fruits that are good for parts of the body to keep them operating properly as well.

Man has changed into the pill form and gone away from the natural cures, but that does not mean it is no less from God either.
For God puts people in positions to help others and doctors, nurses, and those in the pharmaceutical business are put in place to develop those cures from their sources to give to people who need them.
 
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atwhatcost

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AllanSnackbar said:
The goats thing was in reference to other traditional practices. Not Christianity. My apologies.

So are you saying the diseases and complications that we can cure today we have always been able to cure?
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The original use of goat sacrifice wasn't Christian. It was still God's command to his peeps.

So are you saying if we can't cure it today, we never will be able to? Same deal. Someone happened to have heartburn one day, smelled some mint, scooped up some leaves, and chewed on it. Then he/she discovered it helped indigestion. Next thing you know, they're saving some to use when it's out of season, and discover it still works dried. And then someone got indigestion from greasy lamb, ate some leaves, and poof. Another purpose for one ingredient was discovered. We've been building up the supply of good-to-know stuff ever since. We've been testing new stuff to see if it helps ever since too.

I would have hated to be the first person to try out a thorn apple, but even datura has medicine properties that have helped in many ways. Our knowledge expands. Doesn't mean God stepped aside.
 
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AllanSnackbar

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Yeah our knowledge is expanding and we are always learning. Are we on a course already laid out by God? Were we meant to discover things at certain points? Or did God say "Here are all the tools for your disposal, you'll learn it at your own rate"
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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An interesting and semi-relevant tid-bit: A 9th century Anglo Saxon remedy has succeeded where modern practices struggled in fighting the antibiotic-resistant superbug 'MRSA.' Pretty crazy stuff, and no goats were harmed in the making of this remedy! I appreciate what modern medicine does for us, but its record is far from unblemished.

Nothing is new under the sun. :cool:
 
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atwhatcost

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AllanSnackbar said:
Yeah our knowledge is expanding and we are always learning. Are we on a course already laid out by God? Were we meant to discover things at certain points? Or did God say "Here are all the tools for your disposal, you'll learn it at your own rate"
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There is purpose in life -- to serve and worship God always. There is purpose in God's plan -- he will/does have himself a people who will enjoy and worship him forever.

Everything else is part and parcel of those purposes. Everything from medicines through the years to who won and lost the last Super Bowl, to Concentration Camps and jets flying into big buildings, and right down to an ant and a giant squid. It may seem ridiculous to believe that, but God created the fish of the sea in such a way that centuries later some guy took a ship to get away from God, a storm showed up at just the right time and place, it was just big enough to scare even the crew into tossing the guy off the boat, and the right size fish was in the right place at the right time to take the runaway to the place God wanted him and spit him out onto the shore with just the right mindset (briefly lol) to have him want to do God's bidding.

Everything, absolutely everything, is to God's purpose. Even a weed growing in the desert exactly long enough and big enough to shade that prophet until God was done with his temper tantrum. lol
 
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atwhatcost

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Siberian_Khatru said:
An interesting and semi-relevant tid-bit: A 9th century Anglo Saxon remedy has succeeded where modern practices struggled in fighting the antibiotic-resistant superbug 'MRSA.' Pretty crazy stuff, and no goats were harmed in the making of this remedy! I appreciate what modern medicine does for us, but its record is far from unblemished.

Nothing is new under the sun. :cool:
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Cool! Any chance you still have the link to that info? I'm just nosy enough to find out what it was they knew 1200 years ago.
 
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AllanSnackbar

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OK, so when my boss busts me for using the internet at work to reply to you, can I just show her your post and tell her it was planned this way? :)
 
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atwhatcost

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AllanSnackbar said:
OK, so when my boss busts me for using the internet at work to reply to you, can I just show her your post and tell her it was planned this way? :)
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Yup. So is her response. lol
 
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Willie-T

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AllanSnackbar said:
At one point in time there was no over the counter medicine to take if you were Ill.

At one point in time it is feasible to say that people would pray or perform some sort of ritual to cure a disease. Anything from simply outright asking a good (god?) to get rid of a disease to sacrificing a goat as an offering so the disease will be taken away.

Then medicine came along. What was the driving force for that? Did people say "Hmm, these dead goats don't seem to be working, or these prayers don't seem to be doing much in ratio. So let's create a medicine to cure it"

Or

Did God say "Guys, I've got bigger problems to deal with. Here, Here's how you make this medicine. Now leave me alone!"

Because at some point in the past, people were dying of basic illnesses. Now not so much.

Was medicine a gift from God? Or was it a mutiny of Man who didn't trust the more 'traditional' methods of trying to rid someone of illness?
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Hummm Luke just chanted and killed goats? And the woman with the issue of blood spent 12 years and all her money on "doctors" doing the same old thing over and over again?

Nope, I'm pretty sure their "medicines" were just as modern and up to date to them as our pills are to us. We have been trying on our own for millennia. Sure, God probably often put things in people's minds, but I suspect it was mainly us relying on "Science."
 
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NewWine

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I think the key to life is balance. God gave us plants to eat and to use as decorations and medicine. God gave doctors knowledge and skill and desire to use this knowledge and skill to benefit others. I don't think choosing one over the other is right or wrong. What I find wrong with many within the pharmaceutical industry is they take a natural remedy, which cannot be patented legally, and they synthesize it, making it now patentable. Then they go out of their way to say the natural form isn't good for us, but the synthetic form is amazing, and they make it almost illegal for medical doctors to prescribe natural cures. Follow the money and you'll find who really runs such corporations.

Plant medicine rarely works instantly, and often in today's microwave society, we don't have time, or don't want to take the time to heal naturally. Pharmaceuticals do tend to act more quickly, but then again the side effects often work quickly too. The best way to know which is best for you personally, is to weigh the options. Know what you're taking. Eat right to keep your body as healthy as possible. Get daily exercise. Keeping your body in an overall healthy state keeps your immune system healthier, and can make the side effects of medicines lower as well. Be a good steward of the temple.

I know many who benefit greatly from pharmaceutical medicines, unfortunately I am one who has been harmed more than helped by them over the years, so I am not their target patient. So make your own choices about your own body, and let others make their own.
 
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atwhatcost

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I thought it was interesting too!

1,000-year-old onion and garlic eye remedy kills MRSA - BBC News

Medieval Anglo-Saxon recipe may kill MRSA superbug - CNN.com
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Ewwww! Imagine onion and garlic in your eyes as a salve! Ouch-ouch-ouch with a little, P-U, you stink thrown in. Oh, and if that's not enough, cow stomach in your eyes. Ewwww!

My stomach was horrible before they removed my gall bladder, so my doctor prescribed a mixture of codeine and Maalox. Rather then come back to pick up the prescription later, I sat and waited for it. The ladies behind the pharmacy counter didn't notice I stayed and got to talking. One of them said, "My grandparents used to drink this stuff. Who in their right minds would drink this stuff?"

I laughed and said, "Someone with a bad enough stomach to think it's worth drinking."

My same thoughts on using that for an eye salve. How bad do your eyes have to be before your willing to add onions into them? lol

Cool though. It's good they went back in time to see what used to work.
 
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Brother_J_BELGIUM

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The Bible mentions physicians in a positive way:

Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.
- Colossians 4:14

I agree that the industrial revolutions have resulted in the fact that most people have abandoned the faith because they are rich now and healthy and whenever a physical health problem occurs, they have a doctor who can help them. They think they don't need God. The same can be said about the psychological health (go to a psychologist).

Christians who put their trust in the Lord, however, and first pray about their illness and when it doesn't help, they can still go to a doctor. Who says we can't take medicine? A lot of our modern medicines contain products that are extracted from plants from the Amazone which are known to have healing effects. In fact, I have a tree in my garden (Ginkgo biloba) and you can make tea of it that will relieve you from headaches. That's medicine too, you know.

Our Lord has made everything with a purpose and we should make use of it, not abuse it!

And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
- 1 Corinthians 7:31

The same question can be asked about computers too. Should Christians use a computer, is it God's will? Fact is, a computer is a physical tool that can be used for a spiritual purpose either for good or for bad things; it's up to the person who uses the physical tool to decide whether he will use or abuse it!

The same can be said about alcohol. The Bible mentions it as a joyful drink but as well as something of which you can get drunk and sin (1 Corinthians 6:10).

The list goes on and on, try to do this with topics such as sex, movies, books, music, and so on and so forth. It's not because most of the people abuse this world and the things that are in it, that this means all these things are bad for us Christians.
 
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myheart

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What would Gods word say about non liposuction procedures?
 
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