Fed up with the CHRISTIAN CHURCH in America

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I have found that the American Christian Church is a joke. Don't get me wrong, I love God. And I used to love the Church also. But what I have found is that the church is flooded with hypocritical, fake, racist, and sometimes people that are 100 percent pretenders.

I come to this forum, I see the hypocricy in the church. I go on facebook and I see nothing but hypocrites and pharisees.

I have often found in the midst of racial injustices in the News, terrorist attacks, etc. That people are either sheep that hop on the bandwagon of whatever the majority says, or they are straight up bigoted, prejudiced racist wolves in sheeps clothing. Then there are some good people in the church that keep it real but they are quiet because they are scared of the flack they will catch if they speak up against the bull crap they see other so called christians doing and saying. This comes mostly from white christians although I don't beleive the black church is totally innocent either. They can be just as bad, but in a different way.

For example, there was this guy I worked a job with that was totally jealous of me. A fat black guy. He would do whatever in his power to attempt to lower my self esteem, make me look bad to others, even spreading lies about me to slander me and make me look like a fool or a bad guy. He was one of the most despicable and evil people I ever met. I check his facebook page and he is posting bible verses and saying things like, "Preaching ain't easy but somebody's got to do it."

Next thing I know he's going to theological seminary to become a preacher. Now he is a preacher. THe people on his facebook timeline call him reverend and he preaches at a church in the southern part of my city I beleive. Now we have a large group of idiots going to this guy's church respecting him as a righteous man of God because he puts on a religious front, acts all spiritual. Knowing he is just a predator in the church. A false apostle. And a conniving crooked individual using religion and a bunch of sheepish fools going to his church to gain power and respect. This is a picture of what is going on in the Church today. But the bible said it was going to be like this.

Now Im not saying christians are bad. Im a christian myself. All I'm saying is that the majority of the American Church is a joke. Even people that act all spiritual and super religious have let me down. I used to hear people bash christians when religious topics came up and I always thought it was pure non sense. People just making excuses to deny christ as their savior. Now, i can somewhat identify with them when they say that.

Fortunately, for me the church isn't my savior. Jesus is. I no longer take the church seriously and it is often hard to know who I can consider a brother or sister in Christ and who is just a false apostle. I am not perfect as no one is but I am a good hearted person that tries to follow GOd. I didn't get saved so I could make alot of friends at church, for cultural reasons, or because of someone else's walk. I got saved because I truly beleived that Jesus died for my sins............and blah blah blah. Not trying to get to preachy. I have not forsaken God, but I no longer take the church seriously. Or what is SUPPOSED to be the church. I love all sincere and genuine good hearted people. I no longer care who calls themselves christian. I don't care how many bible verses people memorize, or how spiritual they act on the outside, or what Title they hold in the church. All I care about is a person's heart. Christian or non christian. That is how I judge people now. But to tell the truth I am fed up with church folks. I choose to have my own relationship with Christ, and I could care less what any other christian thinks about what I say or do. When I see the chruch folk I see more religion than relationship anyway. Alot of people trying to act super spiritual to impress other people, but no real relationship. Because if they truly had a relationship with Jesus then their heart would change. Now Im not saying I am perfect or that anyone else is perfect. But much of what I have been seeing coming from the church crowd is pure evil.

So now I look at the church like it is a circus. Im sure there are good churches out there. I am basically just generalizing based on what Ive been seeing out here coming from the church folks that are supposed to be representing Jesus to the world. Trust there are good churches and church people. But I am seeing more often than not, pure craziness coming from the church crowd.

Am I the only one that feels this way here in the US. I'm sure I will catch alot of flack for what I said and it may offend alot of people, but like I said. I could care less what another so called christian thinks about me. If you want to rebuke me or tear me down for speaking about what I see as honestly as I can say it, then get to it.
 

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What your saying is probably true, but we still need to hand these things over to God, and once you've calmed down and have peace about it, then you can focus on what's good and not only the bad.
You say you're not perfect and no one is, then why speak in a way that makes you any different to others? Someone somewhere else in the world could be throwing you under the same blanket and throwing you out with the bath water..You have your flaws, I have my flaws, but we have a perfect God. There are beautiful people in the church, find them, befriend them and don't freak out about what others do so much..be the example you want to see, its much better that way because you still need people to get through this walk. :)
 
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What your saying is probably true, but we still need to hand these things over to God, and once you've calmed down and have peace about it, then you can focus on what's good and not only the bad.
You say you're not perfect and no one is, then why speak in a way that makes you any different to others? Someone somewhere else in the world could be throwing you under the same blanket and throwing you out with the bath water..You have your flaws, I have my flaws, but we have a perfect God. There are beautiful people in the church, find them, befriend them and don't freak out about what others do so much..be the example you want to see, its much better that way because you still need people to get through this walk. :)
Thanks for the encouragment.

I guess I just shouldnt worry about it and find like minded people. But for the record I am calm and collected. Im not angry or anything like that. I was just speaking my mind.

Now I understand no one is perfect including me. But not being perfect doesn't necessarily make someone wicked either, if you catch my drift.
 

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Yeah I know what you mean, all good :) Its good to get things out if you need to and thanks for doing so.
 
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Just remember too that what you are witnessing to, is exactly what God said would happen. To me it is the fulfillment of prophecy, and truth. I have seen what you have seen, and got riled over it too. It was an inner yearning with me, on how am I going to find out what was right, when I seen others not doing what they say they worshiped! I than found out, I was only to take what I seen as truth to God's words, and learn what he says about the situation, and how I was to react to it...:)
 

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A troubling thought about your OP is that it seems to be "all about you." Not sure that is why the Church was created by Jesus. I think it is to be all about Him! Just saying.............As with others who make comments like this condemning ALL OF THE CHURCHES in America, I must point out that you could not have possibly visited/worshiped with/in EVERY SINGLE church congregation in America, so maybe you are "broad brush" condemning churches/congregations who are sincere in their worship of God, and Biblical in their teachings.

Now, IF YOU REQUIRE a church/congregation to preach/teach EXACTLY AS YOU BELIEVE, then, again, the problem is with you and not the Church. Sorry, but I don't think you are putting God first in this.
 
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I have found that the American Christian Church is a joke. Don't get me wrong, I love God. And I used to love the Church also... But
I stopped reading here. Loving God teaches us to love others regardless of what or how they are. It's called unconditional love.
 
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If the church is so bad...why don't you jump in and help it be better instead of looking at it from the sidelines saying how bad it is? Are you wasting your talent to affect positive change within the church?
 
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Ah...its a common thing I hear. "Everyone at church is a Hypocrite, so I don't bother going." In fact it is an issue within my own family. So show me where you lack sin and then perhaps I'd agree with you.

Like Sirk stated....it boils down to if you wish to make change...be the voice and do so.

You will never find a perfect earthly place!!!!
 
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If the church is so bad...why don't you jump in and help it be better instead of looking at it from the sidelines saying how bad it is? Are you wasting your talent to affect positive change within the church?
And.......how could I make it better? I don't really have a platform to speak my mind and affect change except in this forum. And even if I did..........What could I possible do?
 

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I have found that the American Christian Church is a joke. Don't get me wrong, I love God. And I used to love the Church also. But what I have found is that the church is flooded with hypocritical, fake, racist, and sometimes people that are 100 percent pretenders.

I come to this forum, I see the hypocricy in the church. I go on facebook and I see nothing but hypocrites and pharisees.

I have often found in the midst of racial injustices in the News, terrorist attacks, etc. That people are either sheep that hop on the bandwagon of whatever the majority says, or they are straight up bigoted, prejudiced racist wolves in sheeps clothing. Then there are some good people in the church that keep it real but they are quiet because they are scared of the flack they will catch if they speak up against the bull crap they see other so called christians doing and saying. This comes mostly from white christians although I don't beleive the black church is totally innocent either. They can be just as bad, but in a different way.

For example, there was this guy I worked a job with that was totally jealous of me. A fat black guy. He would do whatever in his power to attempt to lower my self esteem, make me look bad to others, even spreading lies about me to slander me and make me look like a fool or a bad guy. He was one of the most despicable and evil people I ever met. I check his facebook page and he is posting bible verses and saying things like, "Preaching ain't easy but somebody's got to do it."

Next thing I know he's going to theological seminary to become a preacher. Now he is a preacher. THe people on his facebook timeline call him reverend and he preaches at a church in the southern part of my city I beleive. Now we have a large group of idiots going to this guy's church respecting him as a righteous man of God because he puts on a religious front, acts all spiritual. Knowing he is just a predator in the church. A false apostle. And a conniving crooked individual using religion and a bunch of sheepish fools going to his church to gain power and respect. This is a picture of what is going on in the Church today. But the bible said it was going to be like this.

Now Im not saying christians are bad. Im a christian myself. All I'm saying is that the majority of the American Church is a joke. Even people that act all spiritual and super religious have let me down. I used to hear people bash christians when religious topics came up and I always thought it was pure non sense. People just making excuses to deny christ as their savior. Now, i can somewhat identify with them when they say that.

Fortunately, for me the church isn't my savior. Jesus is. I no longer take the church seriously and it is often hard to know who I can consider a brother or sister in Christ and who is just a false apostle. I am not perfect as no one is but I am a good hearted person that tries to follow GOd. I didn't get saved so I could make alot of friends at church, for cultural reasons, or because of someone else's walk. I got saved because I truly beleived that Jesus died for my sins............and blah blah blah. Not trying to get to preachy. I have not forsaken God, but I no longer take the church seriously. Or what is SUPPOSED to be the church. I love all sincere and genuine good hearted people. I no longer care who calls themselves christian. I don't care how many bible verses people memorize, or how spiritual they act on the outside, or what Title they hold in the church. All I care about is a person's heart. Christian or non christian. That is how I judge people now. But to tell the truth I am fed up with church folks. I choose to have my own relationship with Christ, and I could care less what any other christian thinks about what I say or do. When I see the chruch folk I see more religion than relationship anyway. Alot of people trying to act super spiritual to impress other people, but no real relationship. Because if they truly had a relationship with Jesus then their heart would change. Now Im not saying I am perfect or that anyone else is perfect. But much of what I have been seeing coming from the church crowd is pure evil.

So now I look at the church like it is a circus. Im sure there are good churches out there. I am basically just generalizing based on what Ive been seeing out here coming from the church folks that are supposed to be representing Jesus to the world. Trust there are good churches and church people. But I am seeing more often than not, pure craziness coming from the church crowd.

Am I the only one that feels this way here in the US. I'm sure I will catch alot of flack for what I said and it may offend alot of people, but like I said. I could care less what another so called christian thinks about me. If you want to rebuke me or tear me down for speaking about what I see as honestly as I can say it, then get to it.

As I read this I'm thinking you are doing the same thing you accuse your brothers and sisters of doing. Pharissee- like judging.

Why not just let God's love and Grace shine out from you which will have a huge impact on others?

Peace Grace and Love to you brother.
 
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"We" are the ones who search out verses to justify our critical scrutiny of others. But, Jesus simply kept telling us to examine OURSELVES. If we are doing a decent job of keeping ourselves straight, we seldom have time to be concerned with the path others walk.
 

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yeah, you know, take the plank out of your own eye.
 

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I tell you brother I really agree with you so much, and it serves to turn so many from truth. I think one of the most scary verses in the bible is the Mat 7:22-23 22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.

It's true and having been a "Christian" in church for 5 years before I was ever regenerated I realize how true this really is. I thought I was Christian before, but if I would have died in the motorcycle wreak that took my right arm then I would have said "Lord, Lord", yet heard "Depart from me". I just praise His name so much every day for saving me. All we can do is follow His commands and try to point everyone towards Him no matter who or what they think they already are.
 
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I have found that the American Christian Church is a joke. Don't get me wrong, I love God. And I used to love the Church also. But what I have found is that the church is flooded with hypocritical, fake, racist, and sometimes people that are 100 percent pretenders.

I come to this forum, I see the hypocricy in the church. I go on facebook and I see nothing but hypocrites and pharisees.

I have often found in the midst of racial injustices in the News, terrorist attacks, etc. That people are either sheep that hop on the bandwagon of whatever the majority says, or they are straight up bigoted, prejudiced racist wolves in sheeps clothing. Then there are some good people in the church that keep it real but they are quiet because they are scared of the flack they will catch if they speak up against the bull crap they see other so called christians doing and saying. This comes mostly from white christians although I don't beleive the black church is totally innocent either. They can be just as bad, but in a different way.

For example, there was this guy I worked a job with that was totally jealous of me. A fat black guy. He would do whatever in his power to attempt to lower my self esteem, make me look bad to others, even spreading lies about me to slander me and make me look like a fool or a bad guy. He was one of the most despicable and evil people I ever met. I check his facebook page and he is posting bible verses and saying things like, "Preaching ain't easy but somebody's got to do it."

Next thing I know he's going to theological seminary to become a preacher. Now he is a preacher. THe people on his facebook timeline call him reverend and he preaches at a church in the southern part of my city I beleive. Now we have a large group of idiots going to this guy's church respecting him as a righteous man of God because he puts on a religious front, acts all spiritual. Knowing he is just a predator in the church. A false apostle. And a conniving crooked individual using religion and a bunch of sheepish fools going to his church to gain power and respect. This is a picture of what is going on in the Church today. But the bible said it was going to be like this.

Now Im not saying christians are bad. Im a christian myself. All I'm saying is that the majority of the American Church is a joke. Even people that act all spiritual and super religious have let me down. I used to hear people bash christians when religious topics came up and I always thought it was pure non sense. People just making excuses to deny christ as their savior. Now, i can somewhat identify with them when they say that.

Fortunately, for me the church isn't my savior. Jesus is. I no longer take the church seriously and it is often hard to know who I can consider a brother or sister in Christ and who is just a false apostle. I am not perfect as no one is but I am a good hearted person that tries to follow GOd. I didn't get saved so I could make alot of friends at church, for cultural reasons, or because of someone else's walk. I got saved because I truly beleived that Jesus died for my sins............and blah blah blah. Not trying to get to preachy. I have not forsaken God, but I no longer take the church seriously. Or what is SUPPOSED to be the church. I love all sincere and genuine good hearted people. I no longer care who calls themselves christian. I don't care how many bible verses people memorize, or how spiritual they act on the outside, or what Title they hold in the church. All I care about is a person's heart. Christian or non christian. That is how I judge people now. But to tell the truth I am fed up with church folks. I choose to have my own relationship with Christ, and I could care less what any other christian thinks about what I say or do. When I see the chruch folk I see more religion than relationship anyway. Alot of people trying to act super spiritual to impress other people, but no real relationship. Because if they truly had a relationship with Jesus then their heart would change. Now Im not saying I am perfect or that anyone else is perfect. But much of what I have been seeing coming from the church crowd is pure evil.

So now I look at the church like it is a circus. Im sure there are good churches out there. I am basically just generalizing based on what Ive been seeing out here coming from the church folks that are supposed to be representing Jesus to the world. Trust there are good churches and church people. But I am seeing more often than not, pure craziness coming from the church crowd.

Am I the only one that feels this way here in the US. I'm sure I will catch alot of flack for what I said and it may offend alot of people, but like I said. I could care less what another so called christian thinks about me. If you want to rebuke me or tear me down for speaking about what I see as honestly as I can say it, then get to it.

Quote " But what I have found is that the church is flooded with hypocritical, fake, racist, and sometimes people that are 100 percent pretenders."

Great the church is the best place for them to be.If the preacher is preaching the Bible they'll be convicted. You're not perfect,Im not perfect.The church is like a hospital where Jesus heals our broken lives.You cant blame people for not perfect until you reach full perfection.


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I come to this forum, I see the hypocricy in the church. I go on facebook and I see nothing but hypocrites and pharisees."

Pray for them...

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Then there are some good people in the church that keep it real but they are quiet because they are scared of the flack they will catch if they speak up against the bull crap they see other so called christians doing and saying. This comes mostly from white christians although I don't beleive the black church is totally innocent either."

Well then its a good thing God is in control of everything isnt it? And it doesnt matter what people say,He'll take care of it.


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For example, there was this guy I worked a job with that was totally jealous of me. A fat black guy. He would do whatever in his power to attempt to lower my self esteem, make me look bad to others, even spreading lies about me to slander me and make me look like a fool or a bad guy. He was one of the most despicable and evil people I ever met. I check his facebook page and he is posting bible verses and saying things like, "Preaching ain't easy but somebody's got to do it."

Saying you're a Christian doesnt make you one. Your fruit shows you are. And it doesnt matter if people slander you,you have God on your side.


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Next thing I know he's going to theological seminary to become a preacher. Now he is a preacher. THe people on his facebook timeline call him reverend and he preaches at a church in the southern part of my city I beleive. Now we have a large group of idiots going to this guy's church respecting him as a righteous man of God because he puts on a religious front, acts all spiritual. Knowing he is just a predator in the church. A false apostle. And a conniving crooked individual using religion and a bunch of sheepish fools going to his church to gain power and respect. This is a picture of what is going on in the Church today. But the bible said it was going to be like this. "

You just answered your own question.God said it will be like this.I know the same type of "preacher" he fools people but he doesnt fool God.He's playing a dangerous game and has a lot to answer for.

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All I'm saying is that the majority of the American Church is a joke. "

That really a generalization.I understand you FEEL that way but its not true. I was in ministry 20 yrs and traveled in all denominations and I found wonderful Christian people,young and old. I was in churches where revival was happening and
unsaved people were coming to Christ. So it may seem dark where you are but look beyond that. Think how missionaries feel!

Quote "Even people that act all spiritual and super religious have let me down"

Well theres your problem.You dont look at people you look to God.People are human and will always,always always let you down.We fall short,He doesnt. Even you have let people down.


Quote " I no longer take the church seriously. Or what is SUPPOSED to be the church. I love all sincere and genuine good hearted people. I no longer care who calls themselves christian. I don't care how many bible verses people memorize, or how spiritual they act on the outside, or what Title they hold in the church. "

You need to leave people to God and do what you are called to do.If God walked into the church right now and took our inventory ALL of us would fall on our face before Him. Grace saves us all. You arent perfect,you sin you are hypocritical.How do I know? Because I make the same mistakes. Yes we are suppose to mature as Christians I grant you but a lot of that depends on what is being preached in the pulpit.If your pastor preaches to convict people they should be maturing.If not find another church.


Quote " All I care about is a person's heart. Christian or non christian. That is how I judge people now."

Well God judges differently and a non Christian is lost and headed for hell if someone doesnt tell them the truth so I hope you are doing so.


Quote "I choose to have my own relationship with Christ, and I could care less what any other christian thinks about what I say or do."

Thats fine as long as what you do lines up with Gods Word. But there are saints older than us that we should listen to.There is nothing worse than an unteachable Christian,dont become one.

Quote "So now I look at the church like it is a circus. Im sure there are good churches out there. I am basically just generalizing based on what Ive been seeing out here coming from the church folks that are supposed to be representing Jesus to the world. Trust there are good churches and church people. But I am seeing more often than not, pure craziness coming from the church crowd. "

Well I can put that to rest for you. Being in literally hundreds of churches in states and provinces of all different denominations I can tell you there are wonderful saints,there are wonderful churches,there are people reaching out to their
community. Ive met wonderful pastors,wonderful youth groups and attended amazing church services. So its a matter of what you focus on.

Quote " If you want to rebuke me or tear me down for speaking about what I see as honestly as I can say it, then get to it."

Well Ive been honest with you but I hope in some ways Ive lifted you up not torn you down.You're young,if you've been honest about your age.You have a lot of living to do yet so dont count people out so quickly. Dont focus on people focus on God. Work to mature in your own spiritual life and be an example for others to follow.You may just change someones mind.People have been in prison,missionaries in hostile countries,preaching to ten people every Sunday,if they didnt give in dont you give in. Hope I said at least one thing encouraging to you or someone else.
 
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And.......how could I make it better? I don't really have a platform to speak my mind and affect change except in this forum. And even if I did..........What could I possible do?
there are lots of hurting people in the church. Be someone's friend.
 
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The difference between me and the Pharisees is the Pharisees had a self righteous attitude that stems from pride. The Pharisees were pretenders and jealous of the Jesus because Jesus was real while they used religion as a form of vanity and pride. Which if I used religion as a form of vanity and pride I wouldn't have even made the post because it would hurt my vanity that these things are happening so much in the Church.

I am pointing out wickedness I see coming from the church because it bothers me that it comes from the church. We are called to judge eachother in the church but not outside the church. We can't go pointing out wickedness in the world because that it the world. We can't expect the world to follow Christ because they are lost. But we are to judge withing the church and point out wickedness in the church.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 1 Corinthians 5:12.
 
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I expected to catch alot of flack for my post. But I was just being honest about what I've been seeing entirely too much of. I guess I just need to put it in God's hands and not worry about it, because if I point out things like this it will do me more harm than good. Being too outspoken with the truth can get you crucified whether it be literally or metaphorically. Jesus often spoke negatively about the pharisees which were people in the church basically. (Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees) That's just what I was trying to do. I hope people will change Im all about giving people a fresh start and second chances. It just bothers me that things like this are so prevalent in the church because the church is not supposed to be like this. The church is supposed to be a light shining in the world.
 
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Nothing like eating your own. Cuz that is what you are doing. Nothing in this world will be perfect until Jesus returns and makes it that way. I'm afraid you hold others to a higher standard than you do yourself.
 
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Nothing like eating your own. Cuz that is what you are doing. Nothing in this world will be perfect until Jesus returns and makes it that way. I'm afraid you hold others to a higher standard than you do yourself.
Could you elaborate please? Explain where you got the idea that I hold others to a higher standard then myself. And that I expect people to be perfect? I don't expect anyone to be perfect. But asking them to not be wicked is that too much to ask for???