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Willie-T · Feb 4, 2016

The book is being revised to correct a lot of typos, so this edition is dirt cheap right now.

Could it be that the angry, moral monster who masquerades as the Abba of Jesus is just a projection of human angst and fear onto a God who is passionately and eternally in love with the human race? Could it be that He has never been anything but on our side and working for our betterment? Is it possible that He did not need to be convinced, through bloody sacrifice or otherwise, that we were worthy of His attention and fellowship? Is it possible that our sins never truly separated us from Him, but simply caused us to run and separate ourselves from the One Who was only ever running towards us in compassion and love? Could it be that God has far better things to say to humanity than “turn or burn”? Could it be that He is not a God Who includes some while excluding others? Could it be that He loves all equally, and that He does not divide the human race up into categories of “us” and “them”?

Could it be that God actually looks like...Jesus?

In Saints in the Arms of a Happy God Jeff Turner contends for all of this and more. For years we’ve been conditioned to see ourselves as mere sinners in the hands of an angry God, but the truth; the astounding, breathtaking and beautiful truth, is that we are Saints in the Arms of a Happy God! From the atonement, to hell, to the wrath of God, no doctrinal stone is left unturned as the true nature of God, as shown through the person of Jesus Christ, is explored and mined for all of its riches.

So buckle up, check your religious preconceptions at the door, and get ready for a thrilling journey into the heart of a God who is defined, not by His hatred for sin or by an affinity for retributive justice, but by a Love that is far deeper than we’ve dared to dream.

Wanna spend $2.99 on a book that 90% of you will throw up against the wall? Besides that, it has a lot of typos and misspellings…. But we are working on that for the revised edition.

Robot Check

Tinuviel · Feb 4, 2016

Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God was written for non-believers, in which case it is very apt. And you cannot have a Loving God without His being Just, because unjust love is cheap. But I agree, we need to stop viewing God the Father as some Monster waiting to pounce on us and see him as a God of love, and justice! A God who went through the agony of punishing His only Son on the cross...for us! Isn't that amazing!? Here is a link to a sermon talking about the love of the Father. I bawl my head off every time I read or listen to it! (yeah, I used to be a 9-headed hydra).

God is for Us, So Who is Against Us? | First Presbyterian Church, Jackson, Mississippi

That looks like an amazing book, thanks for sharing Willie!

Willie-T · Feb 4, 2016

Tinuviel said:

I've read it 6 times. Of course, one of those times was doing some proofreading and corrections for the author. Jeff's a bit cocky... very wired... and loves to try to make shocking statements, (his latest book soon to be released is called The Atheistic Theist.)

Is · Feb 4, 2016

Willie-T said:

The book is being revised to correct a lot of typos, so this edition is dirt cheap right now.

Could it be that the angry, moral monster who masquerades as the Abba of Jesus is just a projection of human angst and fear onto a God who is passionately and eternally in love with the human race? Could it be that He has never been anything but on our side and working for our betterment? Is it possible that He did not need to be convinced, through bloody sacrifice or otherwise, that we were worthy of His attention and fellowship? Is it possible that our sins never truly separated us from Him, but simply caused us to run and separate ourselves from the One Who was only ever running towards us in compassion and love? Could it be that God has far better things to say to humanity than “turn or burn”? Could it be that He is not a God Who includes some while excluding others? Could it be that He loves all equally, and that He does not divide the human race up into categories of “us” and “them”?

Could it be that God actually looks like...Jesus?

In Saints in the Arms of a Happy God Jeff Turner contends for all of this and more. For years we’ve been conditioned to see ourselves as mere sinners in the hands of an angry God, but the truth; the astounding, breathtaking and beautiful truth, is that we are Saints in the Arms of a Happy God! From the atonement, to hell, to the wrath of God, no doctrinal stone is left unturned as the true nature of God, as shown through the person of Jesus Christ, is explored and mined for all of its riches.

So buckle up, check your religious preconceptions at the door, and get ready for a thrilling journey into the heart of a God who is defined, not by His hatred for sin or by an affinity for retributive justice, but by a Love that is far deeper than we’ve dared to dream.

Wanna spend $2.99 on a book that 90% of you will throw up against the wall? Besides that, it has a lot of typos and misspellings…. But we are working on that for the revised edition.

Robot Check

Willie-T said:

Maybe you ought to ask those that perished in the flood that question, oops my bad THEIR DEAD!

Willie-T · Feb 4, 2016

Is said:

The question you tried to answer is being asked of US. You and me, not some other people who had never heard of Christ.. "Did OUR sins truly separate US from Him?"

That is asking about how you and I were taught about being under Christ, not about what happened in old testament times. While that is addressed in the book (Jeff doesn't miss much, at all) it isn't the question posed here.

Tinuviel · Feb 4, 2016

Willie-T said:

I would have to say that they did. God is a perfect God and cannot love sinful mortals, because his loathing for the sin is so great. So he sent his perfect Son to take our place and die for us. what would be the significance of Romans 8 if it wasn't our sin that separated us?

Romans 8:31-39 says, If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written:“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

"Look around you!" He's saying, "Christ died for you so that your sins do not need to separate you any longer from the all-powerful God. Christ bridged the gap, we can commune with the Father." In a way, because the Sacrifice of Christ is not bound by time, I suppose you could say that there never was a time when man's sin separated him from God. But the reason he was not separated was because of the Sacrifice of Christ. Without that, all would be lost, and we would indeed be cut off and separated from God.

Please don't think I'm trying to be disrespectful, I am merely stating my belief; I am sorry if it comes across in a bad way, I do not mean it that way at all.

Is · Feb 4, 2016

Tinuviel said:

I would have to say that they did. God is a perfect God and cannot love sinful mortals, because his loathing for the sin is so great. So he sent his perfect Son to take our place and die for us. what would be the significance of Romans 8 if it wasn't our sin that separated us?

Romans 8:31-39 says, If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written:“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

"Look around you!" He's saying, "Christ died for you so that your sins do not need to separate you any longer from the all-powerful God. Christ bridged the gap, we can commune with the Father." In a way, because the Sacrifice of Christ is not bound by time, I suppose you could say that there never was a time when man's sin separated him from God. But the reason he was not separated was because of the Sacrifice of Christ. Without that, all would be lost, and we would indeed be cut off and separated from God.

Please don't think I'm trying to be disrespectful, I am merely stating my belief; I am sorry if it comes across in a bad way, I do not mean it that way at all.

Good post!

Is · Feb 4, 2016

Willie-T said:

"And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen [[righteous]]before me in this generation." Gen.7:1

If Noah was found righteous before God then it makes sense that others could have followed his lead. But they didn't and "glub, glub."

Willie-T · Feb 4, 2016

Tinuviel said:

I'm sorry, but this is completely disproven way back in the Garden (even if we don't want to believe John 3:16)

AFTER Adam & Eve sinned, God actually came looking for them. Actively seeking them out. He spoke with them, face-to-face. And He even killed animals to clothe them so that their shame could be eased. THEN He took it to the ultimate expression of love for these sinful creatures standing right there before Him, probably within arm's reach, and barred them from being able to eat of the Tree of Life. Why? The Bible tells us that it was so that would not have the slightest chance of having to live forever in their present sinful condition.

Later, outside the Garden, God spoke with Cain and Able. Then, AFTER he had committed murder, God came actually looking for Cain. Actively seeking him out. He spoke with him, face-to-face. And He even loved him so much He gave him some kind of "mark" (something he begged for to keep from being killed as he wandered the Earth.)

You can go on and on with similar things where God clearly, purposely, personally, and actively loved people while they were sinning and after they sinned......... right up to Jesus physically touching and mingling with sinful people. Even kissing them. Remember, Jesus WAS God......... He didn't just take on a "sin-proof" protection of human skin.

No, the only "separation" that has ever existed was a perception of such a thing in our own minds.

Tinuviel · Feb 4, 2016

God saw Christ's sacrifice. As with all Christians, God could not have looked at Adam or Eve unless he looked through Christ's blood.

II Cor. 5:18...All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ...

As a completely random side-note, I like your arguing style, not dirty or mudslinging, but not trying to soften anything; blunt and to the point. Thank you for the rare privilege or a discussion without those things

Willie-T · Feb 4, 2016

Tinuviel said:

Thank you. And, likewise. I do occasionally employ some of that, but only when someone has grabbed a knife, and come asking for the same in return. OR.......... admittedly when someone is just being ridiculous, and frustration finally gets the better of me. LOL

Willie-T · Feb 4, 2016

Tinuviel said:

Well, from BEFORE the beginning, God has seen through His own eyes in and as Jesus. We have a limited view that insists that all things happened in a linear timeline. But the Bible tells us the cross actually happened before we were created. I certainly don't claim to be able to explain that, but I sure dig the idea.

Willie-T · Feb 4, 2016

BTW, spend the $2.99 while the offer is still active. You won't miss the small amount of pocket change.

Is · Feb 4, 2016

Willie-T said:

Don't need the book because I know sin is sin and God will not abide it.

"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, MY GOD, MY GOD WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME? " Matt.27:46

In those awful moments, Jesus was expressing His feelings of abandonment as God placed the sins of the world on Him and because of that "God had to turn away from Jesus." Jesus became sin for us, so He felt the lonliness and abandonment that sin always produces, except in His case , it was not His sin, it was ours.

Willie-T · Feb 4, 2016

Is said:

Unfortunately, that is what we have bought into because many of us don't have any background in the culture of that time. That is exactly the opposite of what the Scripture means. Since you feel you already know, and don't seem to be open to study, you'll just live that way. (And there's no problem with that.) I don't have the time to explain it all to you.

eternallife7 · Feb 4, 2016

All I know is that while God is loving, everybody lives under His wrath until we come to Christ. We shouldn't brush this fact aside. God desires all to be saved but to say that sin never seperated us from God contradicts Ephesians 2:12. Walking with Christ correctly is different than walking in God's wrath. And the difference is so great that we should not try to water down what Ephesians 2:12 to unbeleivers. That being said when reading devotions and books and even posts we should come to expect some mistakes from man attempting to explain scripture because the word is sharper than a two edged sword and mankind is not.

Willie-T · Feb 4, 2016

eternallife7 said:

Ya see, you have to read what is actually written. Those verses are talking about Gentiles not being part of the covenants made with Israel.

Willie-T · Feb 4, 2016

I hate the thought of anyone missing the beauty of God's love by being imprisoned with the idea that He's out to get even with us for being sinners.

Let's go face-to-face with one of the most complicated issues in Christian thought: what is the relation of God to Jesus as he is dying? For many, God is in heaven as Jesus dies on earth and God is pouring wrath or anger out on Jesus. God must do this because God has placed our sins on Jesus and God deals with sin by exercising wrath. Some point out that even Jesus believed this when he quotes Psalm 22 from the cross “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” God could only forsake Jesus if he had turned his back on our sin (or so the logic goes).

Jesus’ quotation of Psalm 22 is the only time in the gospels where Jesus does not refer to God as Father, so we must ask what is occurring here. Most of us are familiar with Psalm 23 and could recite it by heart. It brings us comfort in times of distress. But perhaps we are not so familiar with Psalm 22.

Psalm 22 is a cry of dereliction. It is a psalm about the experience of being the victim of an unjust accusation and of being prosecuted. In short, it is a psalm about being a scapegoat. Many of us have had experience with this, where we have been part of a group that has generated rumors about us that we knew were not true. One by one our friends took the side of the group against us until we were standing alone and no longer part of the group. It is a horrible experience.

When Jesus quotes Psalm 22, he is seeking to bring to the mind of his executioners that they are playing the role of the scapegoating community. If someone were to quote the opening line of Psalm 23 “The Lord is my shepherd” most of us could go on and recite a good portion of that psalm. By quoting the opening line of Psalm 22, Jesus is not saying that God has abandoned him; he is bringing to mind the entire context of the psalm. One might object that this is not necessarily the case but it is important to note that breathing was very difficult on a cross and extended conversations and dialogues would have been both very painful and virtually impossible.

But that is not all. Psalm 22 is a psalm of vindication. At the end the psalmist knows that “God is not far off” and that “God has not hidden his face.” The Psalmist knows that God has neither “despised nor disdained the suffering of the afflicted one.” Ultimately Psalm 22 is a cry of hope. The Jews who heard Jesus cry the first words of Psalm 22 from the cross heard not only the sense of abandonment, but also the hope, because they knew that Psalm! This hope is reflected in all of the passion predictions of Jesus who, knowing he will suffer at the hands of an angry mob, still believes in spite of everything to the contrary in his circumstances that God will deliver him by vindicating his innocence. For Jesus, as for the psalmist, God is not some far off angry deity. It is the crowd who is angry, who requires sacrifice of the innocent. God is caring and present with the victim.

A final point of the recitation of Psalm 22 from the crucified Jesus is a theological one: unlike the belief of the mob and the Jewish leaders that they are doing God a favor in getting rid of the troublemaker Jesus, the use of Psalm 22 is an indication that God does not authorize humanity’s sacrifice of Christ. God is not seen as the actor who sacrifices His Son; rather, this sacrificial death is one that God rejects. Thus God is ‘absent’, not ‘present’, in our sacrificial processes. They are really just part of our institutions of religion.

JDL

eternallife7 · Feb 4, 2016

Willie-T said:

Like I said it is hard for man to explain scripture. There are other verses that explain what i am saying also. I was just going by what was written in a previous post anout the book. Your response agrees that the gentiles were once seperated from God. While it may be explained different in the New Testament and that now we are er children of God and children of the devil, when we do not walk with God correctly we are aleinated from the promises. I hope people who have seen my posts I have posted in the past can understand that i do not write on here to argue i was just trying to help because i thought ypu said you were still editing because of all the typos. I guess what I was trying to say is that it is still possibly to be seperated from God.

Stunnedbygrace · Feb 4, 2016

Going to read it now!

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