End of oil is around the corner; what next?

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Tinuviel

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The earth is slowly cooling and that is causing the earth to shrink but that is not our concern for centuries to come. What we need to be concerned about is the finite amount of oil/gas that exists. Within the next 40 years we will consume what oil/gas there is. Without oil/gas to drive our economies what will we do next?

That is the question of the day !!
...sit back and watch God work? :D Who knows if any of us will even be here in 40 years?
 

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At the end of the 40 year period when the oil runs dry I most likely will no longer be driving so I really don't care. Continued oil exploration will add to the proven reserves. Even based on projected rates of consumption there is enough oil to last a couple hundred years. Then there is shale oil as well.
 

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I do agree, we will never run out of fossil fuels. We will find an alternative and leave the rest under the Or at least that is what I am betting on

Either way it will not be around so should I even care?

just asking
My answer is no you shouldnt. I certainly wont be around either not at age 108
 
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.,.,., Even based on projected rates of consumption there is enough oil to last a couple hundred years. Then there is shale oil as well.
Speculation and hopeful thinking will not keep your lights on in the night but it may help you sleep so may you have good dreams while you can
 
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Volkswagen
MSRP: From $28,995
Range: 83 mi battery-only
Battery charge time: 20h at 110V, 3.7h at 220V, 0.5h at 440V
Horsepower: 115 hp
MPGe: 126 city / 105 highway
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Going electric doesn’t mean sacrificing performance. In fact, it means the opposite. Unlike gas cars, electric cars deliver power to your wheels instantly, with no lag time, as soon as you step on the pedal. The result is greater torque and acceleration.
Engineered with Mercedes-Benz, every smart must meet the strongest industry standards. The patented Tridion Safety Cell uses reinforced high-strength steel to act as a barrier between you and anything else on the road.
The Audi A3 e-tron is the first of what will likely be many Audi plug-in hybrid models to hit the United States in the coming years. The German luxury maker has been saying for the last several years that it plans to bring plug-in hybrid variants to all of its major vehicle lines, and we’ve since seen previews of several of those models. Audi recently projected that plug-ins will account for 25 percent of global sales by 2025, and in Europe, the A3 e-tron is already a mild hit—accounting for more than twice as many sales as the BMW i3 last year.
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Chevrolet
offers a variety of electric and hybrid vehicles that put gas stations in your rear view. The all-electric 2017 Bolt EV† takes electric vehicles to a whole new level with impressive range. The 2017 Volt offers the best of both worlds with an electric charge that seamlessly switches to a gasoline-powered generator when your charge runs out. And the 2017 Malibu Hybrid offers efficiency that you never
Wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Going electric doesn’t mean sacrificing performance. In fact, it means the opposite. Unlike gas cars, electric cars deliver power to your wheels instantly, with no lag time, as soon as you step on the pedal. The result is greater torque and acceleration.
Engineered with Mercedes-Benz, every smart must meet the strongest industry standards. The patented Tridion Safety Cell uses reinforced high-strength steel to act as a barrier between you and anything else on the road.
Plus, an Electronic Stability Program
The Audi A3 e-tron is the first of what will likely be many Audi plug-in hybrid models to hit the United States in the coming years. The German luxury maker has been saying for the last several years that it plans to bring plug-in hybrid variants to all of its major vehicle lines, and we’ve since seen previews of several of those models. Audi recently projected that plug-ins will account for 25 percent of global sales by 2025, and in Europe, the A3 e-tron is already a mild hit—accounting for more than twice as many sales as the BMW i3 last year.

They see the future and are "making" what's needed. High density batteries is the key to our future
 
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Tommy379

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Behold the future~~~~~~~~~~~~

NOTE: This is not ad AD or advertisement. It is just to show the trend towards "electric"
Volkswagen
MSRP: From $28,995
Range: 83 mi battery-only
Battery charge time: 20h at 110V, 3.7h at 220V, 0.5h at 440V
Horsepower: 115 hp
MPGe: 126 city / 105 highway
Wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Going electric doesn’t mean sacrificing performance. In fact, it means the opposite. Unlike gas cars, electric cars deliver power to your wheels instantly, with no lag time, as soon as you step on the pedal. The result is greater torque and acceleration.
Engineered with Mercedes-Benz, every smart must meet the strongest industry standards. The patented Tridion Safety Cell uses reinforced high-strength steel to act as a barrier between you and anything else on the road.
The Audi A3 e-tron is the first of what will likely be many Audi plug-in hybrid models to hit the United States in the coming years. The German luxury maker has been saying for the last several years that it plans to bring plug-in hybrid variants to all of its major vehicle lines, and we’ve since seen previews of several of those models. Audi recently projected that plug-ins will account for 25 percent of global sales by 2025, and in Europe, the A3 e-tron is already a mild hit—accounting for more than twice as many sales as the BMW i3 last year.
Wwwwwwwwww

Chevrolet
offers a variety of electric and hybrid vehicles that put gas stations in your rear view. The all-electric 2017 Bolt EV† takes electric vehicles to a whole new level with impressive range. The 2017 Volt offers the best of both worlds with an electric charge that seamlessly switches to a gasoline-powered generator when your charge runs out. And the 2017 Malibu Hybrid offers efficiency that you never
Wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Going electric doesn’t mean sacrificing performance. In fact, it means the opposite. Unlike gas cars, electric cars deliver power to your wheels instantly, with no lag time, as soon as you step on the pedal. The result is greater torque and acceleration.
Engineered with Mercedes-Benz, every smart must meet the strongest industry standards. The patented Tridion Safety Cell uses reinforced high-strength steel to act as a barrier between you and anything else on the road.
Plus, an Electronic Stability Program
The Audi A3 e-tron is the first of what will likely be many Audi plug-in hybrid models to hit the United States in the coming years. The German luxury maker has been saying for the last several years that it plans to bring plug-in hybrid variants to all of its major vehicle lines, and we’ve since seen previews of several of those models. Audi recently projected that plug-ins will account for 25 percent of global sales by 2025, and in Europe, the A3 e-tron is already a mild hit—accounting for more than twice as many sales as the BMW i3 last year.

They see the future and are "making" what's needed. High density batteries is the key to our future
Wow, 83 mile range. I couldn't drive from my house to the end of the county and back on a charge. With a 20 hour charge time, I'd have to leave a month early to take my kids to the Outer Banks.
 
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You are right, there is plenty of oil for at least another 200-500 yrs.
You are guessing. The known oil fields are known. Even with their exaggerated reserves, at the current rate all the oil we be pumped out of the ground and burned within the next 44 years; NOT 200

The whole North American plate is a vastly untouched natural gas and coal reserve.
You are guessing. The known oil fields are known. Even with their exaggerated reserves

But because of the EPA they are not allowed to drill there.....There is no such thing as a oil/gas shortage only artificially created by Big Oil to make profits and affect the economy..
Ok, ok,I read your post. Please show me some real data to prove me wrong. Truly I want to be proven wrong

:)-
 
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I think it is time for us to look around at other countries who see the end of oil around the corner----------------

China is the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over double the generation of the second-ranking country, the United States.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] In 2013 the country had a total capacity of 378 GW of renewable power, mainly from hydroelectric and wind power. China's renewable energy sector is growing faster than its fossil fuels and nuclear power capacity.


Although China currently has the world's largest installed capacity of hydro, solar and wind power, its energy needs are so large that in 2013 renewables provided just a little over 20% of its power generation, with most of the remainder provided by traditional coal power facilities.[SUP][1][/SUP] Nevertheless, the share of renewable sources in the energy mix had been gradually rising from 2013.


China sees renewables as a source of energy security and not just only to reduce carbon emission.
[SUP][2][/SUP]China’s Action Plan for the Prevention and Control of Air Pollution issued by China’s State Council in September 2013, illustrates the government's desire to increase the share of renewables in China’s energy mix.[SUP][3][/SUP] Unlike oil, coal and gas, the supplies of which are finite and subject to geopolitical tensions, renewable energy systems can be built and used wherever there is sufficient water, wind, and sun.[SUP][4][/SUP]

As Chinese renewable manufacturing has grown, the costs of renewable energy technologies have dropped dramatically.
Innovation has helped, but the main driver of reduced costs has been market expansion.[SUP][4][/SUP] In 2015 China became the world's largest producer of photovoltaic power, with 43 GW of total installed capacity.[SUP][5][6][/SUP] From 2005 to 2014, production of solar cells in China has expanded 100-fold.[SUP][4]


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Huckleberry

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#50
The earth is slowly cooling and that is causing the earth to shrink but that is not our concern for centuries to come. What we need to be concerned about is the finite amount of oil/gas that exists. Within the next 40 years we will consume what oil/gas there is. Without oil/gas to drive our economies what will we do next?

That is the question of the day !!
Guess I'm a few months late on this one.
Oil is not finite.
Search out "abiotic oil".
Contrary to mainstream propaganda, it is not a "fossil fuel".
It is produced inside the Earth and is self-replenishing.
Unclinch your buttocks and lay off the alarmist websites.
 
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At the mid-Atlantic ridge the seawater lava is a liquid at temperatures of 1,200 °C (1,292 to 2,192 °F). And yet it does not flash into steam because of the great pressure it is under.

If we drop a tube down to the superhot seawater and start sucking it up it will expand as the pressure becomes less until it turns into steam with no place to go but up. The steam can then be used to turn turbines creating all the electrical energy the human race will ever need.
 

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At the mid-Atlantic ridge the seawater lava is a liquid at temperatures of 1,200 °C (1,292 to 2,192 °F). And yet it does not flash into steam because of the great pressure it is under.

If we drop a tube down to the superhot seawater and start sucking it up it will expand as the pressure becomes less until it turns into steam with no place to go but up. The steam can then be used to turn turbines creating all the electrical energy the human race will ever need.
A cheaper and more effective form of energy is to extract hydrogen from seawater. It burns clean with zero harmful emissions.
 

tourist

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Wow, 83 mile range. I couldn't drive from my house to the end of the county and back on a charge. With a 20 hour charge time, I'd have to leave a month early to take my kids to the Outer Banks.
I agree, it is highly impracticable. I'll be driving to Florida to Michigan soon at a distance of 1200 miles. I estimate that with the 20 hour charge times a 2 day trip turns into a 2 week trip. Exactly where do you plug this thing in along the interstate? You'll probably get gouged paying for the juice too.
 

Tommy379

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A cheaper and more effective form of energy is to extract hydrogen from seawater. It burns clean with zero harmful emissions.
I've looked into this before. Hydrogen, being the most common element in the universe, is very rare on earth as not being bonded to another element. Right now, unless a new discovery is made, the energy required to extract hydrogen from water, far exeeds the energy derived from the hydrogen. Hydrogen is produced all the time, has been for years, just cost more petroleum and coal to produce than the energy potential of it. Other than that, hydrogen would be a wonderful fuel.
 

Tommy379

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I've looked into this before. Hydrogen, being the most common element in the universe, is very rare on earth as not being bonded to another element. Right now, unless a new discovery is made, the energy required to extract hydrogen from water, far exeeds the energy derived from the hydrogen. Hydrogen is produced all the time, has been for years, just cost more petroleum and coal to produce than the energy potential of it. Other than that, hydrogen would be a wonderful fuel.
This is also why the hydrogen fuel cell is going nowhere.
 
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I've looked into this before. Hydrogen, being the most common element in the universe, is very rare on earth as not being bonded to another element..
Please remember water is two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen making hydrogen the most abundant element on earth.

Right now, unless a new discovery is made, the energy required to extract hydrogen from water, far exeeds the energy derived from the hydrogen..
The key term in your statement is "right now". I believe if there is a frequency that would vibrate the water molecule making the hydrogen & oxygen split and then re-unite giving off heat/energy each time this reaction takes place. And this reaction will repeat itself thousands of times a second. And I add the energy to emit this frequency is far less than the energy created.

Hydrogen is produced all the time, has been for years.
The only thing that changes is the bonding between one element and another.

Other than that, hydrogen would be a wonderful fuel.
You and I see eye to eye on this one.

wish you and yours a great day and beyond :)-
 

Tommy379

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Please remember water is two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen making hydrogen the most abundant element on earth.



The key term in your statement is "right now". I believe if there is a frequency that would vibrate the water molecule making the hydrogen & oxygen split and then re-unite giving off heat/energy each time this reaction takes place. And this reaction will repeat itself thousands of times a second. And I add the energy to emit this frequency is far less than the energy created.



The only thing that changes is the bonding between one element and another.



You and I see eye to eye on this one.

wish you and yours a great day and beyond :)-
While Hydrogen is the most common element on earth, it takes more energy to extract it than hydrogen has the potential to produce. If you think you can separate hydrogen from watet, using less energy, you should patent it, and become rich.
 

Tommy379

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Please remember water is two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen making hydrogen the most abundant element on earth.



The key term in your statement is "right now". I believe if there is a frequency that would vibrate the water molecule making the hydrogen & oxygen split and then re-unite giving off heat/energy each time this reaction takes place. And this reaction will repeat itself thousands of times a second. And I add the energy to emit this frequency is far less than the energy created.



The only thing that changes is the bonding between one element and another.



You and I see eye to eye on this one.

wish you and yours a great day and beyond :)-
Yes, I know what dihydrogen monoxide is.
 

shittim

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new technology all the time, but each discovery we make is discovering what He knew when He Created this universe.
I think He has created everything we need for all of our needs for as long as we need it.
best wishes
 

shittim

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How is battery technology coming?
I have heard of using nano carbon, for electron storage
it would cut a lot of weight.