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Tolerance

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This is a sincere curiosity of mine, dont crucify my ( pun intended ) .Through out the word of God it is said that the Jewish are Gods chosen people, so why be a Christian and not a jew ?
 

LOLOKGal

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Well, technically, Jew is a race. Christian is a belief, if you will. Although being a Christian means to have a relationship with God through Christ. However, when we are saved we are adopted into God's family. We become a descendant of Abraham. We become one of God's chosen and joint heirs with Christ. =)

Even the Jews need to become a Christian. They need to become believers too. =)
 

Tolerance

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But doesnt the jewish race have thier own separate beliefs. Why would God favor them who have a different belief system ? I understand the father Abraham theory .
 
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This is a sincere curiosity of mine, dont crucify my ( pun intended ) .Through out the word of God it is said that the Jewish are Gods chosen people, so why be a Christian and not a jew ?

the old and the new. isreal was Gods Chosen people. which lead to The coming of Jesus, who chose ANYONE jew or gentile who will believe Him.

Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. colossians 3:12

all were promised long ago BEFORE the choosing of isreal, through Abrahams faith

galatians 3:8 "Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."


Isreal was chosen and through moses came the Law, in order to lead the world to Christ, through whom all are chosen that will choose Him. john 3:16
 
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But doesnt the jewish race have thier own separate beliefs. Why would God favor them who have a different belief system ? I understand the father Abraham theory .
"jewish" aren't a race, its Judaism a religion stemming from Gods choosing of isreal, a nation of Gods people. a pattern of God choosing the world through Christ Jesus His Son
 

LOLOKGal

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But doesnt the jewish race have thier own separate beliefs. Why would God favor them who have a different belief system ? I understand the father Abraham theory .
Yes, the Jews (which is a race), practice Judaism (which is a religion). God favored them because that's the line He put forth His plan through. Jerusalem is His capital city and we see in Revelation that God will bring down a new Jerusalem onto the new earth and live there. Now Christian Jews are called Messianic Jews, meaning they believe in the Messiah, Jesus Christ. A Judaism Jew believes that their awaited messiah hasn't come yet.
 
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Yes, the Jews (which is a race), practice Judaism (which is a religion). God favored them because that's the line He put forth His plan through. Jerusalem is His capital city and we see in Revelation that God will bring down a new Jerusalem onto the new earth and live there. Now Christian Jews are called Messianic Jews, meaning they believe in the Messiah, Jesus Christ. A Judaism Jew believes that their awaited messiah hasn't come yet.

lol anyone who practices Judaism is a jew. white, black, native American indian ect.....isreal is Jacob. jews are those who practice the jewish religion. jewish is not hereditary
 
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lol anyone who practices Judaism is a jew. white, black, native American indian ect.....isreal is Jacob. jews are those who practice the jewish religion. jewish is not hereditary

some label it a race because it is passed through the mother who practices Judaism. someone I guess can consider it a race, my apologies.....yet I do know some ethnic jews :) I guess its a toss up and open for debate....
 

LOLOKGal

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lol anyone who practices Judaism is a jew. white, black, native American indian ect.....isreal is Jacob. jews are those who practice the jewish religion. jewish is not hereditary
Just like an American can be "red, yellow, black, or white"? ...lol =P. I was quoting, "Jesus Loves the Little Children". So, don't anyone hate me for stating colors and not race or ethnicities. =D

Jews intermingle too. =D
 
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jasonj

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Just like an American can be "red, yellow, black, or white"? ...lol =P. I was quoting, "Jesus Loves the Little Children". So, don't anyone hate me for stating colors and not race or ethnicities. =D

Jews intermingle too. =D
is America a race? or a nation? and lol I do not hate you or have any ill will. I think there are really touchy peeps around and it sometimes is hard to determine tone in letters on a screen possibly. it was actually a lighthearted comment :) please forgive any offense it wasn't intended at all. I thought we were on good terms n I could giggle :p
 

LOLOKGal

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is America a race? or a nation? and lol I do not hate you or have any ill will. I think there are really touchy peeps around and it sometimes is hard to determine tone in letters on a screen possibly. it was actually a lighthearted comment :) please forgive any offense it wasn't intended at all. I thought we were on good terms n I could giggle :p
Oh, I was being light hearted here too. =P I do appreciate you saying so though. It is never my intentions to offend either and if I do, I'd rather the person approach me about it rather then going away being hurt. =) Yes, the written word does leave out voice tones and body language, so you're only left to interpret the others.
 
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Miri

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In one sense Christians are Gentiles who have been grafted into the Jewish faith.

The Jews were promised a messiah but when Jesus came some believed him and some
didn't. Those Jews who do not believe that Jesus was the promised messiah are no
longer part of the True Vine.

Whereas Gentiles who came to believe in Jesus have been grafted into that Vine.


John 15:1-8 NKJV
[1] "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. [2] Every branch in
Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit
He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
[3] You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
[4] Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it
abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
[5] "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him,
bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. [6] If anyone does not
abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them
and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. [7] If you abide in Me, and
My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for
you. [8] By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
 

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No doubt this causes us Gentiles an emotional pause. Smile. But, God makes it plan to us that He loves us all equally thus, Jews are not in a higher order of man, but are specifically appreciated and purposed. The Jews were chosen to bring to the world this message of goodness; to always value life, thru Jesus' radical message to the world of the new covenant. Jews were chosen to be the lamp that allows God's light to shine in the world.

This doesn't mean that even most Jews have accepted the task for which they were chosen. Actually, quite the contrary. In the books of the Prophets, we see that Jews have consistently rebelled against this call and the rebellion continues today.

Being chosen to bring light and be the salt of the earth is also our call as well. So know, you are not God's second best for God doesn't make second bests. All His Children have been especially chosen and purposed before we were born.

"Here there is no Gentile, or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and in all." (Col. 3:11).
 
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This is a sincere curiosity of mine, dont crucify my ( pun intended ) .Through out the word of God it is said that the Jewish are Gods chosen people, so why be a Christian and not a jew ?
Because we understand that Jesus Christ is God in flesh.
 

Tolerance

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Very helpful. Thank you for clearing that up.
 
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I imagine you want a simpler, more direct answer, *Tolerance*.

God created all people. And He wanted to hang out with them. It went sour pretty quickly with Adam and Eve, and just got worse. People all over the place started inventing their own ideas of who created them (Much as we do today) and were "worshiping" everything from imagined monsters, to rocks and trees.

So God pulled one man out of all this confusion, and had a conversation with him. (actually, several conversations) This was Abraham. Up to that time Abe also worshiped some of the weird gods. In fact, his own father crafted idols for people to worship.

But (and this is key in understanding the most important part of why Jesus eventually came.), God wanted them to remember who He really was. So ............

God made a deal with Abe, that his children would be protected from the other inhabitants of the Earth, and blessed with good health, good land, lots of crops, and big families, etc..... IF they honored only Him , and followed a few simple rules.

Again, just like with Adam and Eve, what with us being the stubborn humans we are, that didn't last too long, either.

The Bible is, basically, a history book of all the many times the Israelites (the people God chose through Abraham) kept fouling things up... and God kept forgiving, and making new deals with them, while they kept on messing up.

Time rolls on, and the religion the Israelites developed, Judaism, repeated the same thing the original people had done. They got God completely confused in their minds.... making something out of Him, and their religion, that was almost as foreign to the true God who created them as what the pagans had invented for themselves.

So.... Jesus comes, saying "This is what God REALLY looks like... turn back to recognizing Him,"

But the Jews had really gotten into this religion they had altered, rearranged, and reconstructed. They worshiped it almost AS their god. It was now so completely different from this "rhetoric" Jesus was espousing, that they wanted none of it, honestly believing the things Jesus said to be heretical lies.

The rest, you pretty well know. They got rid of Jesus, and kept right on worshiping Judaism instead of Jesus' clarification of God.

That's about it. EXCEPT for the fact that we "Christians" have been repeating the cycle for almost 1,800 years, and it is getting pretty bad again. The early church listened to Jesus, and they "got it." But we are now doing to Christianity, what the Israelites did to Judaism.

Who knows where this latest version of stubborn "reinventing" of Jesus' Father will lead us?
 
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Tolerance

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Another question : Is it wrong to seek Christianity strictly because one fears eternal damnation ? It seems kinda selfish to me .
 
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Thank you Willie-T
One thing I forgot to mention is that in there where Jesus was trying to get them to SEE God again, God finally said, "Ok, no more of these deals. You listen to my boy, or I will declare the latest "contract" with you, Null & Void", and offer the deal to the people I have been protecting you from, the Gentiles, (Gentile simply means = non-Jew)
 
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Another question : Is it wrong to seek Christianity strictly because one fears eternal damnation ? It seems kinda selfish to me .
Not exactly "wrong" (I actually did that initially, and so did many people on this forum). but just like with your own parents, is that REALLY the relationship you want? Is this why you want your own children to obey you?

Remember WHY I said God wanted us around in the first place? He wants to hang out with us. Right now, that doesn't get to be a physical thing, but you can sort of have Him on FaceBook, until you get to see Him face-to-face.