What's this song say to you?
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Sad. Haha not that your wife and I agree, but that people do not know the saving power of forgiveness through the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross to pay the sin debt for the world, meaning everyone. Well, Willie, we may not agree on everything, but we do agree on some things, and this is certainly one of them. 
I would say it's confusion as to what God's stance on the issue is. It's probably his understanding that simply being attracted to other men is sin (which this isn't the sin. The sin is homosexual ACTS). Since he thinks being attracted to the same sex is a sin, he can't repent of this, and probably feels like he is a sin himself. Like he is a physical embodiment of sin for simply existing.
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Some people are thriving when they get to suppress others. An online forum is a place they can do that. Nobody will ever get to know their names, and by name dropping the Lords name, they are gaining more momentum. Ususally they are picking somebody, or some group of people, that can't defend themselves properly.
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The same reason all of us had.
We want God to accept our darkness. "Love me for who I am. Yo, God, change, because I don't want to. I like who I am. Being a freak is a good thing. Be more tolerant. Accept everyone. It's your problem, not ours."
John 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
We want God to accept our darkness. "Love me for who I am. Yo, God, change, because I don't want to. I like who I am. Being a freak is a good thing. Be more tolerant. Accept everyone. It's your problem, not ours."
John 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
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I disagree. Jesus defined adultery, and it is simply being attracted too. (Matt. 5:27-28)
We make sin too easy -- something we think we can control. Not only can't we control it, we don't want to control it!
That's how much God has to change us. That is light destroying darkness.
It is not fortitude, desire, strength, nor denial that changes us. It is God himself.
To this day, I still get the appeal of that darkness. It's still in me. I still rather God change than I change. I still don't think X, Y, or Z is "all that bad." And yet, when I look to God and see his light, Whoa! That's so much softer, easier, wonderful, refreshing, worthy than my darkness.
I feel like a sponge at the bottom of the ocean. God's light has come, and yet, crevice by crevice, I still want to hide "just a little" darkness. Nope. His plan is he's washing it all out, crevice by crevice. It is uncomfortable to say the least. But when he washes out a bit, I can no longer remember why I liked that particular bit of darkness. And him doing that is the only reason I'm willing -- at times -- to get a little more darkness washed out. And even that willingness is God changing who I am, because I am never willing to change. lol
Mika is no different than we are, except he's still trying to convince God his particular style of darkness is better than God's light. He's still trying to convince God he is right.
We make sin too easy -- something we think we can control. Not only can't we control it, we don't want to control it!
That's how much God has to change us. That is light destroying darkness.
It is not fortitude, desire, strength, nor denial that changes us. It is God himself.
To this day, I still get the appeal of that darkness. It's still in me. I still rather God change than I change. I still don't think X, Y, or Z is "all that bad." And yet, when I look to God and see his light, Whoa! That's so much softer, easier, wonderful, refreshing, worthy than my darkness.
I feel like a sponge at the bottom of the ocean. God's light has come, and yet, crevice by crevice, I still want to hide "just a little" darkness. Nope. His plan is he's washing it all out, crevice by crevice. It is uncomfortable to say the least. But when he washes out a bit, I can no longer remember why I liked that particular bit of darkness. And him doing that is the only reason I'm willing -- at times -- to get a little more darkness washed out. And even that willingness is God changing who I am, because I am never willing to change. lol
Mika is no different than we are, except he's still trying to convince God his particular style of darkness is better than God's light. He's still trying to convince God he is right.
I don't think many homosexuals see it as "not that bad.", but rather, as "beautifully right."
If I were to open "The Book", and show you where I believed it said we should not stick with sick spouses, nor like teddy bears (just to "bring it home" to you... so don't get warped. LOL), how eagerly and openly would you suddenly embrace having God "change you" so that you would no longer "be sinning" by loving both those afore-mentioned things?
I think this is all he is trying to express... not open defiance to God's word.
If I were to open "The Book", and show you where I believed it said we should not stick with sick spouses, nor like teddy bears (just to "bring it home" to you... so don't get warped. LOL), how eagerly and openly would you suddenly embrace having God "change you" so that you would no longer "be sinning" by loving both those afore-mentioned things?
I think this is all he is trying to express... not open defiance to God's word.
It could be any number of reasons. I remember as a young boy I had sexual thoughts about horrible things. I thought I wasn't eligible for forgiveness. You hear about forgiveness for everything but it's easy to think you're the exception. I have a very pessimistic way of thinking. I think it might be the same for him.
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What's missing here? I already said I deeply hate change. (I remember liking the darkness, and there are still spots I'd rather keep dark. I wasn't kidding there.)
And of course it's not open defiance. He's trying to bargain with God. Open-defiance doesn't work at the bargaining table unless we really have the power position.
Something I don't understand about this site that maybe you can help me with, what is it about this one sin -- homosexual -- makes people think it is the one sin we're supposed to treat differently than any other? People seem to either go for a knee jerk reaction or lean way back to be kind and sensitive about this one particular sin. Can you imagine the same discussion over a gossiper? Someone who cheats on tests? Someone that sleeps around but isn't married? Someone who robs pens and paper from work? Or how about someone that robs gas stations and convenience stores? Why this particular sin? Why is it any different than any other sin?
I spent a summer in the homosexual community of a large university town. They knew I wasn't homosexual, but we were all just normal people, some worth being friends with. It's 39 years later, and now it seems like a big thing in the Christian community to discuss them, as if they haven't always been around and as if this is something new no one can ever understand.
Truthfully, they're just like overweight people. On the outside, we overweight folks like to put on the "God loves me just as I am, so I'm happy to be me" face. Deep inside, we're not that happy. Some hold it in very deep. Some lay it out on the surface.
It kind of reminds me of the Jesus Movement days. We all showed up and the church was shocked at us. Really? Were we all that different than they were? I don't know about you, but I gave up long ago on the reaction and just joined in to praise God and learn more about him. Had that church not given room for us to be who we are -- change included -- they'd still be trying to figure out how stoners ended up in their midst and stopped being stoners. Harder to deal with was some were still stoners.
The homosexuals know us. God calls some of them out too. He's been doing that since the beginning too. Why treat them different than anyone else? They're not different. No different than any other sinner needing God. Why haven't we figure that out in the last 46 years? If anyone knows what it's like to be a sinner who needs God that is one thing we all have in common.
And of course it's not open defiance. He's trying to bargain with God. Open-defiance doesn't work at the bargaining table unless we really have the power position.
Something I don't understand about this site that maybe you can help me with, what is it about this one sin -- homosexual -- makes people think it is the one sin we're supposed to treat differently than any other? People seem to either go for a knee jerk reaction or lean way back to be kind and sensitive about this one particular sin. Can you imagine the same discussion over a gossiper? Someone who cheats on tests? Someone that sleeps around but isn't married? Someone who robs pens and paper from work? Or how about someone that robs gas stations and convenience stores? Why this particular sin? Why is it any different than any other sin?
I spent a summer in the homosexual community of a large university town. They knew I wasn't homosexual, but we were all just normal people, some worth being friends with. It's 39 years later, and now it seems like a big thing in the Christian community to discuss them, as if they haven't always been around and as if this is something new no one can ever understand.
Truthfully, they're just like overweight people. On the outside, we overweight folks like to put on the "God loves me just as I am, so I'm happy to be me" face. Deep inside, we're not that happy. Some hold it in very deep. Some lay it out on the surface.
It kind of reminds me of the Jesus Movement days. We all showed up and the church was shocked at us. Really? Were we all that different than they were? I don't know about you, but I gave up long ago on the reaction and just joined in to praise God and learn more about him. Had that church not given room for us to be who we are -- change included -- they'd still be trying to figure out how stoners ended up in their midst and stopped being stoners. Harder to deal with was some were still stoners.
The homosexuals know us. God calls some of them out too. He's been doing that since the beginning too. Why treat them different than anyone else? They're not different. No different than any other sinner needing God. Why haven't we figure that out in the last 46 years? If anyone knows what it's like to be a sinner who needs God that is one thing we all have in common.
I wouldn't say that's 100% accurate. Jesus defined mental Lust as adultery. Lusting after someone and being attracted to them are two different things. You can't help but find your future spouse attractive when you first meet them. Are you saying that God set it up to where we all have to commit adultery in order to find a spouse and get married?