Israel is not America's 51st state so why do we give them a dime-?

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Israel is not America’s 51[SUP]st[/SUP] State. We Americans are not obligated to give Israel a dime much less $4billion. What for, so that they can afford to murder more Palestinian children-?

Israel the Beggar Is Taking Potshots at the U.S.
Netanyahu’s lousy relations with Obama are going to cost us hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid and severe damage to the IDF.
Jun 21, 2016 3:22 AM

And then, moments before the accord with Tehran was signed, Netanyahu rejected a generous offer from Obama to increase American aid to Israel to $4 billion a year, as compensation. Here Netanyahu lost twofold: Not only did he fail to prevent the agreement with Iran, he lost the opportunity to increase U.S. aid to Israel significantly.
And now Obama is slowly, coolly cooking up his revenge. Aid isn’t going to be $4 billion a year. It is going to be a lot less. The Israeli army will lose hundreds of millions of dollars in support, and money that could have been freed up for education, welfare and infrastructure, won’t be.

Moreover, now the vengeful Obama is demanding that any amount given to Israel be spent entirely in the United States. Previously, we could spend up to 26 percent of the funds to purchase materiel from Israel's military industries.

The new demand translates into a huge loss of $780 million a year for Israel’s defense industries – a death blow

http://www.haaretz.c...remium-1.726066
 
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WarriorForChrist

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Israel is not America’s 51[SUP]st[/SUP] State. We Americans are not obligated to give Israel a dime much less $4billion. What for, so that they can afford to murder more Palestinian children-?

Israel the Beggar Is Taking Potshots at the U.S.
Netanyahu’s lousy relations with Obama are going to cost us hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid and severe damage to the IDF.
Jun 21, 2016 3:22 AM

And then, moments before the accord with Tehran was signed, Netanyahu rejected a generous offer from Obama to increase American aid to Israel to $4 billion a year, as compensation. Here Netanyahu lost twofold: Not only did he fail to prevent the agreement with Iran, he lost the opportunity to increase U.S. aid to Israel significantly.
And now Obama is slowly, coolly cooking up his revenge. Aid isn’t going to be $4 billion a year. It is going to be a lot less. The Israeli army will lose hundreds of millions of dollars in support, and money that could have been freed up for education, welfare and infrastructure, won’t be.

Moreover, now the vengeful Obama is demanding that any amount given to Israel be spent entirely in the United States. Previously, we could spend up to 26 percent of the funds to purchase materiel from Israel's military industries.

The new demand translates into a huge loss of $780 million a year for Israel’s defense industries – a death blow

http://www.haaretz.c...remium-1.726066
So what is your point? I think Israel is smart not to trust Obama.
 
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kaylagrl

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Israel is not America’s 51[SUP]st[/SUP] State. We Americans are not obligated to give Israel a dime much less $4billion. What for, so that they can afford to murder more Palestinian children-?

Israel the Beggar Is Taking Potshots at the U.S.
Netanyahu’s lousy relations with Obama are going to cost us hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid and severe damage to the IDF.
Jun 21, 2016 3:22 AM

And then, moments before the accord with Tehran was signed, Netanyahu rejected a generous offer from Obama to increase American aid to Israel to $4 billion a year, as compensation. Here Netanyahu lost twofold: Not only did he fail to prevent the agreement with Iran, he lost the opportunity to increase U.S. aid to Israel significantly.
And now Obama is slowly, coolly cooking up his revenge. Aid isn’t going to be $4 billion a year. It is going to be a lot less. The Israeli army will lose hundreds of millions of dollars in support, and money that could have been freed up for education, welfare and infrastructure, won’t be.

Moreover, now the vengeful Obama is demanding that any amount given to Israel be spent entirely in the United States. Previously, we could spend up to 26 percent of the funds to purchase materiel from Israel's military industries.

The new demand translates into a huge loss of $780 million a year for Israel’s defense industries – a death blow

http://www.haaretz.c...remium-1.726066

Hey, the nose picker is back to spread more antisemitism! America gives money away to many countries that are our enemies. Israel is the only democracy in the middle east and has always supported America.

And I'll just leave this comment by Golda Meir right here....

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WarriorForChrist

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I would say yes. I would even suggest stop funding other countries with terrorist affiliations.
 
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kaylagrl

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The point is, you missed the point. Should America give Israel billions$

yes
no

I vote NO :)-


Nope,didn't miss the point.


US provides economic and military aid to plenty of nations in the region. Israel's neighbors are also big recipients of US aid, as are terrorist ridden Pakistan and Afghanistan.

United States foreign aid

Why does US provide aid to Israel?

  1. Managing Russian presence: It is not an accident that all the nations above that receive the most aid border Russian sphere of influence. Russia and and its allies (Iran and Syria) are deep into Middle East. To fight that, US arms Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, Ukraine, Turkey, Jordan... Israel is the most capable power in the region to fight back a possible Russian expansion and thus receives the most American aid. Russia on its part arms Hizbollah, Hamas and other anti-Israeli militants. Cold war is still on. I will use an old map to illustrate this fact.

    However, these days Israel looks to build more relationship with Russia and that is not good for the US - it needs to pull its ally back with more candies.
  2. Boost domestic defense industry: 75% of US aid to Israel is spent on buying equipment from the US. This is sort of like your car dealer providing auto loan. Also arming Israel, would pressure its opponents to buy more from the US. US Senator Rand Paul set to visit Israel
  3. Not sell stuff to China and other US rivals. Israel has got sophisticated tech that China, Venezuela and others covet. However, if Israel sells them US position will be at threat. Thus, US asks Israel not to sell a lot to China. US acts over Israeli arms sales to China. When you tell them not to, you better compensate them with something else.
  4. Intelligence sharing & War on Terror. Mossad is among the top 5 most powerful intelligence agencies. US relies a lot on them to get access to crucial information to fight war on terror. Whether it is Iranian capture of American embassy or the Beirut bombing of US mission - Mossad was there to help. That help comes at afee.
  5. Arrow (Israeli missile) - US and Israel jointly develop an anti-ballistic missile defense system. 50% of it is paid by Israel and a lot of manpower is from Israel. This would be much more expensive for US to make without Israeli inputs and thus more than pays for US aid to Israel.
  6. Military bases. US keeps 6 war reserve stocks in Israel. War reserve stock Israel is the safest place in the region to keep American missiles, bombers, equipment and hospital for the special forces. Those help come for a rent.
  7. Aid US in managing the trade routes: Israel's position is very critical for US to quickly react to any threats to US position in the middle east. Israeli guards repel Somali pirate attack on cruise ship

Although draped in "friendship" and humanitarian assistanceship, US helps Israel primarily because, Israel is the best positioned to keep America's enemies out in the Middle East.

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-United-States-give-so-much-money-to-Israel-and-what-does-it-get-in-return
 
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Hey, the nose picker is back to spread more antisemitism!
antisemitism? Oh poor baby, so misunderstood

America gives money away to many countries that are our enemies
True, you do see the light

Israel is the only democracy in the middle east and has always supported America.
Israel is NOT a Democracy but yes I know, it's for da MONEY but why, why does the USA give them a dime-?

That is the question of the day :)-
 
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kaylagrl

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antisemitism? Oh poor baby, so misunderstood



True, you do see the light



Israel is NOT a Democracy but yes I know, it's for da MONEY but why, why does the USA give them a dime-?

That is the question of the day :)-


Already answered the question. If we give nothing to Israel we give nothing to anyone. But there is a good reason why money is given to Israel as stated above. And no,I don't misunderstand. I've been here long enough to know you and your posts. This "poor baby" is on to you,more than you think.
 
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Although draped in "friendship" and humanitarian assistanceship, US helps Israel primarily because, Israel is the best positioned to keep America's enemies out in the Middle East.

Israel is the best positioned to keep America's enemies out in the Middle East.

Please grow up, America has no enemies & the answer is NO, we should not give them a dime so that the can just use the money to murder more Palestinian children !!

“I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport."

http://www.ariga.com/5763/2003-01-19-windowsnewsletter.shtml
 
Mar 23, 2014
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Already answered the question.
No you have not answered a thing. Posting an outside link speaks volumns of nothingness. I want you to state "your" opinion on why we should give Israel a dime.

If we give nothing to Israel we give nothing to anyone.
The above is not an answer. Again, Israel is not America's 51st State so why give them a dime ?

I've been here long enough to know you and your posts. This "poor baby" is on to you,more than you think.
Please take a bath first, I smell a rat in the room

:)-
 
Mar 23, 2014
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Already answered the question.
No you have not answered a thing. Posting an outside link speaks volumes of nothingness. I want you to state "your" opinion on why we should give Israel a dime.

If we give nothing to Israel we give nothing to anyone.
The above is not an answer. Again, Israel is not America's 51st State so why give them a dime ?

I've been here long enough to know you and your posts. This "poor baby" is on to you,more than you think.
Please take a bath first, I smell a rat in the room

:)-
 
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I would say yes. I would even suggest stop funding other countries with terrorist affiliations.

Google Irgun, Haganah and Stern gangs and you will get 144,000 hits

Zionists threw bombs into buses and cafes and sent bombs to British officials

November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbor, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants. This was done by Zionists who wanted to keep the ship in port but used to much explosives and killed their own by mistake. Note: The Zionists who blew up the ship then blamed a local village for the act and based on this false claim they murdered everyone in that village and then leveled it with bulldozers.

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. King David hotel was commandeered by the British army who set up their Head Quarters in the hotel. That HQ had a full guard detail of WWII veterans, communications center and a full complement of staff officers.

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab café; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.

April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, supported by the Palmach forces, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were captured and paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.

January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) which was used as a headquarters of the Arab National Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa ; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.

January 1, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked a village on the slopes of Mount Carmel; 17 Arabs were killed and 33 wounded.

January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons.

January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.

January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.

February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.

March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before thedetonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured.

March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.

March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.

April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.

April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.

April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.

1947 -- 1948. Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land. After their expulsion, the "Israeli Forces" totally obliterated (usually by bulldozing) 385 Arab villages and towns, out of a total of 475. Commonly, Israeli villages were built on the remaining rubble.

The carnage was extensive and this period marked the first acts of terrorism. Now was this before the Zionists started this needless war or after--?

January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons.

January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.

January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.

February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.

March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before thedetonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured.

March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.

March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.

April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.

April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.

April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.

1947 -- 1948. Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land. After their expulsion, the "Israeli Forces" totally obliterated (usually by bulldozing) 385 Arab villages and towns, out of a total of 475. Commonly, Israeli villages were built on the remaining rubble.

The carnage was extensive and this period marked the first acts of terrorism. Now was this before the Zionists started this needless war or after--?

BTW: The Haganah gang later became the Israeli Defense Force (IDF)
 
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WarriorForChrist

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Sorry not reading your copy and paste propaganda.
 

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Jews are just Christians who haven't realized who their messiah is, but they will realize in God's timing. If it wasn't for the blood, sweat, and tears of Jews in the past none of us would know Jesus, so if you think not supporting that nation is a good idea, then you should really reevaluate. Jews have suffered more as a people than Americans like me can even comprehend. So, yeah I would stand by them for sure, and yes, they are not perfect, but neither are we. Maybe we should focus on not giving terrorist supporting nations billions of dollars instead of what we give to a nation that is more like-mind to us.
 
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Israel is the best positioned to keep America's enemies out in the Middle East.

Please grow up, America has no enemies & the answer is NO, we should not give them a dime so that the can just use the money to murder more Palestinian children !!

“I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport."
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=4&x_context=2
Bad link. Google it to find the source :)-
 
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Maybe we should focus on not giving terrorist supporting nations billions of dollars instead of what we give to a nation that is more like-mind to us.
More like minded-~~ Is that supposed to be a joke?
 
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blue_ladybug

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Israel isn't even a state, anyway.. :confused: