I Almost Ate the Septuagint and a 20 Pound Massive Churchbibel. Is that wrong? :)

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Sheepman

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Im sure everybody here have been as I close to eat bibles as I have been.

Its nothing to be ashamed of. Your just hungry :)



When you read about how they ate scrolls i just cant help getting hungry.
I see theese honeywaxed crisp scrolls filled with superfood.

Sighh..

:):):):)
 
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Miri

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Assuming you are referring to John on Patmos, eating the bible/scrolls is metaphorical for
taking in and digesting the word of God in a tangible way.

I know this first hand due to an experience I had a few years ago.


I was in the worship team during a prayer evening, it was electric. We did many things that
evening one including covering each other with veils and praying for each other as a symbolic
gesture of wanting to enter into the presence of God.

When I came to my turn, something amazing happen it was as if my entire understanding
was woken up. I went home that night and I just wanted to read the bible, I could not get
enough of it. Every single word seemed to leap out of the bible with new meaning. Even the
small words like it, a, of etc seemed to have massive meaning. I actually rang a friend and
recited several chapters of the bible over the phone to them! This was like 11pm at night.
It was amazing to me to.

It really did feel as if I was eating the bible in a spiritual way, not just eating but drinking it in.
Verses I had read loads of time, I was reading as if it was the first time I had read them.

That feeling lasted for some months. I could not complete a devotional or bible study as my mind
took me all over the place comparing passages, seeing things for the first time.

I remember thinking that this is what John felt like when the scrolls tasted like honey.

Even now while the feelings are not so intense, I often find myself reading the same passages
and getting new things from them, seeing them with fresh spiritual eyes. Gasping in amazement
at the new things to discover.

Something real happened that night, something tangible, a new awaking for me. :)
 
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Tinuviel

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#3
LOL, I always thought of that too! Crisp, thin, melt-in-your mouth buttery and sweet...I know that's not what we're meant to get out of the passage :D
 

Sheepman

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Assuming you are referring to John on Patmos, eating the bible/scrolls is metaphorical for
taking in and digesting the word of God in a tangible way.

I know this first hand due to an experience I had a few years ago.


I was in the worship team during a prayer evening, it was electric. We did many things that
evening one including covering each other with veils and praying for each other as a symbolic
gesture of wanting to enter into the presence of God.

When I came to my turn, something amazing happen it was as if my entire understanding
was woken up. I went home that night and I just wanted to read the bible, I could not get
enough of it. Every single word seemed to leap out of the bible with new meaning. Even the
small words like it, a, of etc seemed to have massive meaning. I actually rang a friend and
recited several chapters of the bible over the phone to them! This was like 11pm at night.
It was amazing to me to.

It really did feel as if I was eating the bible in a spiritual way, not just eating but drinking it in.
Verses I had read loads of time, I was reading as if it was the first time I had read them.

That feeling lasted for some months. I could not complete a devotional or bible study as my mind
took me all over the place comparing passages, seeing things for the first time.

I remember thinking that this is what John felt like when the scrolls tasted like honey.

Even now while the feelings are not so intense, I often find myself reading the same passages
and getting new things from them, seeing them with fresh spiritual eyes. Gasping in amazement
at the new things to discover.

Something real happened that night, something tangible, a new awaking for me. :)


Wow!
Sounds amazing. Thank you so much for sharing it all. I save this testimony of yours if its ok as a living reminder to read again. :)
 
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Miri

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Wow!
Sounds amazing. Thank you so much for sharing it all. I save this testimony of yours if its ok as a living reminder to read again. :)
Thats ok :)
 

tanakh

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Do they come in a Glutton free variety? The Septuagint is fine if you like Greek food but if you are strictly kosher stick to the Hebrew version.
 

Sheepman

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Do they come in a Glutton free variety? The Septuagint is fine if you like Greek food but if you are strictly kosher stick to the Hebrew version.

Love your sense of humor dear elder.
You look so fine you and your wife. Like my long gone
grandparents.

If you are really hungry I think you can order Isaiahscrolls from Israel (replicas of the dead sea scroll).. hmm i dont have the link.
But I tell ya..I was really close to order a big box of them scrolls, mix'em with natural honey and just eat it up.

:)

I never been in Jerusalem.
But I am going to. Eventually.
 
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Miri

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Wonder what manna tasted like, I know it gives a description but it's different
trying it yourself. :)
 

Sheepman

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Wonder what manna tasted like, I know it gives a description but it's different
trying it yourself. :)
No i have never eaten manna :)
But...i recall they put away a few in the ark of the covenant.
I wonder if thats the reason some people go to such lenght to find the ark.

I perceive they are hungry.

And one wonder if the taste you sometimes get when such moments you spoke of
when you really digest the words of the bible. Could it be we already know what it taste like.

As a matter of fact. Moses made a shake of golddust to the camp of Israel.

Tasted that? Thats actually an option. I go ask mummy if she have any earrings I might pulverize..:)
 

oyster67

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Just to think that someday everything might be revealed to us... if we still care and are still curious. Do you think we will be?
 

oyster67

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Love your sense of humor dear elder.
You look so fine you and your wife. Like my long gone
grandparents.

If you are really hungry I think you can order Isaiahscrolls from Israel (replicas of the dead sea scroll).. hmm i dont have the link.
But I tell ya..I was really close to order a big box of them scrolls, mix'em with natural honey and just eat it up.

:)

I never been in Jerusalem.
But I am going to. Eventually.
PTL! We are all marching onward to Zion, that beautiful city of God!
 
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Miri

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#12
Just to think that someday everything might be revealed to us... if we still care and are still curious. Do you think we will be?
Im always curious. Lol
 
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Miri

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#13
Have just been reading Genesis 1-3 over last few days.

Just realised something, Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, their eyes were opened
but in a way God did not intend for them. It occurred to me that wherever there is a work
of God, there is a similar but counterfeit work of Satan.

The work of God was that they should have been eating from the tree of life, then their
eyes would really have been opened in the way God intended.

Satan's counterfeit works still surround us. But the true word of God is and always has been available
for those who seek it and taste it for themselves.
 

Sheepman

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Have just been reading Genesis 1-3 over last few days.

Just realised something, Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, their eyes were opened
but in a way God did not intend for them. It occurred to me that wherever there is a work
of God, there is a similar but counterfeit work of Satan.

The work of God was that they should have been eating from the tree of life, then their
eyes would really have been opened in the way God intended.

Satan's counterfeit works still surround us. But the true word of God is and always has been available
for those who seek it and taste it for themselves.

Agree.
There is always a balance to hold on to.
Satan is very much alive when we are vulnerable for example both in joy and sadness.
The sharpening.

Satan might be as the sharpening tool in the hands of Jesus.
Thats why its crucial for the tool to remain still at those times the sharpening takes a more intense place in ones life.
I used to rock to and fro,, still do i guess.
Like peter.

He was so exited about Jesus that both Jesus and Paul had to set him straight.

I think thats comforting.
 
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Miri

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I'm not sure if Satan sharpens me, he tends to hammer me flat! Lol

My Christian friends are the ones who sharpen me, I've got a great bunch of
girlie friends, we pray for each other, moan at each other, compare washing powder!
Thats an "in" joke there is a lot of cleansing/washing going on in the midst of us at
moment.

Our church has a beristo style coffee bar/snack sandwiches, cakes etc. It's open in the
mornings up until 2.30pm so when free we try to meet up there. You get good fellowship,
fantastic cake and bacon butties all at same time. Plus we meet up at other times.

Another type of tasting! Good face to face fellowship, something I think a lot of
people on here miss out on.

Do men do the whole eat together thing? I think that must do as there is a men's
breakfast at my church once a week, held at 7.30 for men on their way to work.
 

Sheepman

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I'm not sure if Satan sharpens me, he tends to hammer me flat! Lol

My Christian friends are the ones who sharpen me, I've got a great bunch of
girlie friends, we pray for each other, moan at each other, compare washing powder!
Thats an "in" joke there is a lot of cleansing/washing going on in the midst of us at
moment.

Our church has a beristo style coffee bar/snack sandwiches, cakes etc. It's open in the
mornings up until 2.30pm so when free we try to meet up there. You get good fellowship,
fantastic cake and bacon butties all at same time. Plus we meet up at other times.

Another type of tasting! Good face to face fellowship, something I think a lot of
people on here miss out on.

Do men do the whole eat together thing? I think that must do as there is a men's
breakfast at my church once a week, held at 7.30 for men on their way to work.
Sounds so refreshing. Diffrent levels of fellowship. Necessary to really get to know each other.
Then I can see how you sharpen each other.

I mostly roamed gloomy breakfaststops in the early hour where in smoky cafeterias echoing with raspy grumpy voices complaining about the coffee. To strong.to light or just that the coffeepot was empty. Ordering yesterdays drybonesandwich with only salt on top. :):)

I mean it. It is nice to hear about how you pray for each other, ...doing ordinary things together without the hatred and irritation.
Receiving every good gift in thanksgiving.
 

Sheepman

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I love this kind of biblestudy.


Not because its mystical, but because of the way it ties the themes and patterns of the bible together.


So speking of scrolls and sweets and eating the Word.


The Word Honey is found 56 times in the KJV.


Each letter of the hebrew AlphaBeth has a numbervalue. Right?


nun (50)
vav(6)
= 56


Nun means fish
14th letter
pronounced ...noon.


Nun represents the number 50 - a number representing freedom and fullness of life.


the 50th year was A Jubilee year.
Total freedom from work.
A full year. Awesome.


Nun represents Mashiach ben David
Nun is the fourteenth letter of the alphabet, which equals "David," the forefather of the Kingdom of Israel. The heir to David is Mashiach ben David, of whom is said: "As long as the duration of the sun his name shall rule"


According to the Chaz'l (sages), Nun is said to represent both faithfulness and the reward for faithfulness. Moses is seen as the paradigmatic humble servant of the LORD.


Joshua son of Nun
Joshua same as Yeshua wich means salvation. Salva.


Nun means humble servant and fish.
Jesus the Humble servant of God.
Jesus God. Because only a totally humble can be God. Jesus.


Fish often is a symbol for life.



Vav


is the 6th letter
The meaning of the word vav is "hook," as a connecting hook used when the mishkan (tabernacle) was assembled.


(fish [nun] and hook)




The Mystery of Vav
The first Vav in the Torah occurs in Genesis 1:1:

The placement of the Vav suggests two of its essential connective powers:


* By joining heaven and earth (
* ) it implies the connection between spiritual and earthly matters. 

* Since it occurs as the 22nd letter in the Torah attached to the sixth word,


* (et), it alludes to the creative connection between all of the letters. Vav is therefore the connecting force of the God, the divine "hook" that binds together heaven and earth.


The letter Vav is the sixth letter of the Aleph-Bet, having the numeric value of six. The pictograph for Vav looks like a tent peg, whereas the classical Hebrew script (ketav Ashurit) is constructed of a vertical line and conjoined Yod. The meaning of the word vav is "hook," as a connecting hook.



1. Vav and the Tabernacle (mishkan)
The word Vav is used in Exodus 27:9-10 to refer to the hooks of silver fastened to posts (called amudim) that were used to hold the curtain (yeriah) that encloses the tabernacle:


2. 

Just as the tabernacle was the habitation of God while the Israelites traveled in the wilderness, so the Torah is the habitation of His word today. Therefore, the scribes developed the idea that the Torah Scroll was to be constructed in the manner of the tabernacle. They called each parchment sheet of a scroll a yeriah,named for the curtain of the tabernacle (there are roughly 50 yeriot per scroll) and each column of text an amud, named for the post of the tabernacle's court. 

Now since each curtain of the tabernacle was fastened to its post by means of a silver hook (vav), the scribes made each column of text to begin with a letter Vav, thereby "hooking" the text to the parchment: 

3. 


The laws of writing a Torah scroll are called soferut.There are over 4,000 "laws" or rules used by scribes to prepare a kosher scroll. For instance, the Torah must contain exactly 304,805 well-formed letters in 248 amudim (columns or pages). Each yeriah (sheet of parchment) must come from the hide of a kosher animal that has been specially perpared for the purposes of writing. Special inks are used and whenever a scribe writes any of the seven Names of God, he must say a blessing (l'shem k'dushat Hashem)and dip his quill in fresh ink.

A Torah scroll may contain no errors of any kind or it is considered passul (invalid). Each line of every amud is carefully read (backwards) by the sofer and compared against a working copy (called a tikkun). If an error is detected in a yeriah, it must be removed from the scroll and buried in a genizah, a sort of "cemetary" or repository for sacred texts (the most famous genizah is the Cairo Genizah).



4. The Belly of the Torah
An oversized Vav marks the "center" of the entire Torah (Leviticus 11:42):




1. 

Appropriately enough, the word in which this Vav occurs is gachon, meaning "belly."
Remember Simpson carcass of the lion with honey in its belly. Out of the strong came forth sweetness.


2. Vav is a picture of Man
Since Vav represents the number six, it has long been associated as the number of man in the Jewish tradition:

* Man was created on the sixth day
* Man works for six days - the realm of the chol and the mundane
* There are six millennia before the coming of the Mashiach
* The "beast" is identified as the "number of a man" - 666 (Rev 13:18)



3. The Broken Vav
Soferut (i.e., the laws concerning the scribal arts of writing Sefrei Torah) requires that all Hebrew letters be well-formed - that is, no letters can touch other letters and no letters can be malformed, broken, or otherwise illegible. However, there is a strange exception to these rules regarding the Vav that appears in the word "shalom" Numbers 25:12:




1. 

"Behold, I am giving to him my covenant of peace."

In a Torah scroll, the word shalom would be written like this:




1. 

What is the significance of this broken Vav? 

The story in Numbers chapter 25 is about Phineas (the grandson of Aaron the priest) and his zeal to remove evil from Israel by driving a spear through a man who was fornicating with a Moabite woman. On account of Phineas' act, God stopped the plague and Israel was delivered from destruction. From a Messianic point of view, we can see that Phineas is a type of Yeshua, since it is written that "he was jealous for his God and made atonement for the people of Israel" (Numbers 25:13). 

On a "sod" level we can further think of this broken Vav as picture of the brokenness of the Messiah for our ultimate deliverance. How so? Well, since Vav represents the number of Man, the broken Vav represents a man that is broken. In this particular pasuk (verse), the man has been broken for the sake of a covenant of peace that brought atonement to Israel - another picture of the Messiah Yeshua and His ultimate deliverance for us.



2. The Vav, Messiah, and New Creation
When God first created the "generations" of the heavens and the earth, the word toldot (תולדות) is used (Gen. 2:4). This refers to created order before the sin and fall of Adam and Eve. After the fall of Adam, however, the word is spelled differently in the Hebrew text, with a missing letter Vav (i.e., as תלדות). Thereafter, each time the phrase, "these are the generations of" occurs in the Scriptures (a formulaic way of enumerating the generations of the heads of families), the word is spelled "defectively," with the missing Vav (ו). The Vav was "lost." However, when we come to Ruth 4:18 the phrase: 'These are the generations of Perez' is spelled with the missing Vav restored (i.e., as תולדות). In all of Scripture, the only two places where we see the restored spelling is in Genesis 2:4 and Ruth 4:18, which leads to the question as to what connection there might be between the creation of the heavens and the earth, the fall of mankind, and the creation of the family line of Perez? 




1. 

The name "Perez" (פרץ) means "breach" (from paratz,meaning "to break through"). God was going to "break through" the families of mankind in order to restore creation back to its original intent. The letter Vav represents man, and the very first Vav in the Torah is associated with the "first and last man" as seen in Genesis 1:1: 




1. 

The Restored Vav is a picture of the Mashiach who would descend from the "generations" of Perez. He would be the one to breach the gates of death on our behalf. Just as the original Vav was lost through the first Adam and his sin, so the Vav is restored through the obedience of the "Second Adam," the Mashiach Yeshua. 


As always; There is so much in the Word of God that it just keep on rolling itself out into eternity. Like an everlasting honeydipped scroll. Just it it! Sorry for the kind of unfinished presentation of this. I just hope it will edify some readers for now anyway.