Not everything happens for a reason

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Fenner

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Yeah, everything happens for a reason, but sometimes they won't tell you why.

Like why can't I post videos or even pics, for instance.
I used to, but now somebody blocked it, but they never said why.
That's weird. I just posted something today. I'd definitely ask an administrator.
 

Silverwings

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I say this because my trials that I have faced before brought me close to God.

Just like there was a reason for Job going through what he did and he went through crap
God brought good out of them, but I do not believe He was the author of them.
 

Silverwings

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To say something happened without a reason would mean there was no cause
for it, and everything in the natural world which we inhabit has causes. Now
we do sometimes say there was no cause for such and such to happen, but the
simple fact that whatever it was did happen, means there was a cause behind it.
I agree that there is a cause for everything, but I also believe that evil is a real force that truly does exist in this world.
 

blue_ladybug

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Yes & the cause for someone getting raped is because of evil intentions in another.
Not necessarily. Rape survivors (I will NOT call them "victims") often share their stories with others who have gone through the same thing. I shared my story on here and it has helped alot of other survivors. :) My ordeals have only made me stronger, and more able to relate to another who has just gone through it and is shell shocked. No offense, Silver, but you don't give the survivors of rape much credit at all. I've been raped, had cancer, tried suicide, been incapacitated in bed in absolute agony for over a year, and have lifelong depression. If you read ANYONE'S testimony on here, you will see how they overcame their circumstances in the face of death and adversity. I admire each person who is strong enough to tell their success story on here. :) Read anybody's testimony and you will see that they know there IS a reason for each trial that has come their way...
 

Silverwings

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blue_ladybug

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God can bring good out of any situation but He is not the author of evil.
He isn't the author of evil? Just who do you think allowed the rebellion to happen in heaven? Who allowed satan into the Garden of Eden? GOD DID. And he had a specific reason why. God allows evil to happen on this crappy earth, and he always can bring something good out of it.
 

Silverwings

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Not necessarily. Rape survivors (I will NOT call them "victims") often share their stories with others who have gone through the same thing. I shared my story on here and it has helped alot of other survivors. :) My ordeals have only made me stronger, and more able to relate to another who has just gone through it and is shell shocked. No offense, Silver, but you don't give the survivors of rape much credit at all. I've been raped, had cancer, tried suicide, been incapacitated in bed in absolute agony for over a year, and have lifelong depression. If you read ANYONE'S testimony on here, you will see how they overcame their circumstances in the face of death and adversity. I admire each person who is strong enough to tell their success story on here. :) Read anybody's testimony and you will see that they know there IS a reason for each trial that has come their way...
I agree that God can bring good out of bad situations, but I refuse to believe that in every case God was the author of it.
 

blue_ladybug

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God brought good out of them, but I do not believe He was the author of them.
So God wasn't the author of His own son's suffering? He allowed Jesus to be whipped, stripped, beaten, mocked and crucified on the cross with huge nails through his feet and hands. He orchestrated that whole scenario. And yes, something good came out of that, but God ALLOWED that torture to happen.
 
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Make a post to ask why? How do you get in touch with the admins?
Ahh, maybe they're chicken, lol.

Anyway, hi Silverwings. I get your point to the OP, and from a human viewpoint, some things seem like they have no rhyme or reason.
But with God, His will is always in operation, and it's either Causal or Permissable.

He either Causes something to happen, or He Allows it, but there is nothing that has no reason at all with Him, we don't always know why, but we can trust Him to know that He has a reason for everything.
There isn't a rogue or random molecule in all His universe.

What's frustrating is, like you said, when someone tries to use that as a means of consolation, (if they mean well), or as a way to avoid really helping, (if they just don't wanna).

The only time it really consoles when we're going through grief or hard times is when it's qualified by the grace of God's love or presence or promise, like His blessed assurance.

Then we can say something like, 'I really hurt with you, I wish I could help. It may not seem like it now, but,
Everything happens for a reason,
and thanks to Jesus, we can trust God that He knows, He cares, and we can have peace knowing His ways are far above ours, and it's going to be okay.
Better even, than if we had our way, if our way means going against His.
He's a good, good, Father, and even though we go through trials and tribulations, we can be of good cheer, because Jesus has overcome the world, and He's got this, too.'

But, I agree with you, that someone just saying glibly, 'Oh well, everything happens for a reason' doesn't always help much.

The pic I wanted to post I've done similarly before, and it said, 'Next time someone tries to console you by saying, Everything happens for a reason', ​punch them in the nose and say, 'Hey...you're right!' ;)
 

blue_ladybug

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I agree that God can bring good out of bad situations, but I refuse to believe that in every case God was the author of it.
God is the ULTIMATE author of everything that happens. He allows satan to harm us, but he can also stop satan from harming us.. An ex of mine tried strangling me to death. It was only by God's power that he let go and ran out my door. Like it or not, God allows evil things to happen to us. And if we were all-knowing like He is, we would understand why parents kill children, and why women get raped and tortured, etc etc.. Unfortunately he doesn't always allow us to know or understand his reasons for why bad things happen to us.
 

Magenta

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I agree that there is a cause for everything, but I also believe that evil is a real force that truly does exist in this world.
Yes & the cause for someone getting raped is because of evil intentions in another.
That's true. :( We know that at the root of all suffering and sorrow
is the fallen nature of man, and as Scripture says, the heart is wicked.
 

Magenta

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He isn't the author of evil? Just who do you think allowed the rebellion to happen in heaven? Who allowed satan into the Garden of Eden? GOD DID. And he had a specific reason why. God allows evil to happen on this crappy earth, and he always can bring something good out of it.
Allowing for something to happen does not necessarily equate
to being the cause of it happening or the evil that comes from it.
 

blue_ladybug

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Allowing for something to happen does not necessarily equate
to being the cause of it happening or the evil that comes from it.
Well, on that point, the rebellion in heaven didn't happen on it's own. The serpent didn't enter the garden on it's own. God didn't stop either event from happening, even though he could have..
 

Silverwings

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Not necessarily. Rape survivors (I will NOT call them "victims") often share their stories with others who have gone through the same thing. I shared my story on here and it has helped alot of other survivors. :) My ordeals have only made me stronger, and more able to relate to another who has just gone through it and is shell shocked. No offense, Silver, but you don't give the survivors of rape much credit at all. I've been raped, had cancer, tried suicide, been incapacitated in bed in absolute agony for over a year, and have lifelong depression. If you read ANYONE'S testimony on here, you will see how they overcame their circumstances in the face of death and adversity. I admire each person who is strong enough to tell their success story on here. :) Read anybody's testimony and you will see that they know there IS a reason for each trial that has come their way...
But they happen according to GOD'S reasons. :)
God is not the author of the horrific actions of ISIS, just like He was not the author of the disciples that were beheaded, nor boiled in oil.
It would be the cruelest thing ever to say to a mother and dad who are mourning the loss of their only child, due to some crazy doped up individual that just mutilated their child, THAT GOD WAS BEHIND THAT TERRIBLE ACT OF VIOLENCE, NO I WILL NEVER EVER BELIEVE THAT, OR THAT GOD HAD A REASON FOR IT HAPPENING.
 
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Ariel82

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I would post the question on the tech support forum if you can't post videos and such....probably a compatiblity problem...do you have a New computer or something?


Doubt that the admins or mods blocked your posting of such. Plus I would hope they would send a message if they did.

You could pm some mods but they prefer you use the report button for offensive posts or the tech support forum for technical questions.
 

blue_ladybug

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But it IS prophesied in the bible that these things would and will occur. Trials, tribulations, wars and rumors of wars, etc etc.. So obviously he knew these things would happen. If he's such a loving God, why does he allow such evil to happen?