Not everything happens for a reason

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Magenta

Magenta

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emjcares said:
Hi magenta.
Seems like their jsr/blue debate is on the meaning of cause/permit.
Like if God permits something, or had power to stop it, did He by non-action cause it? At least thats what I think they're arguing.
One says God caused this but not that, the other says God didn't stop it, so He caused it since He's ultimately in control.

So many of the deep debates people have can't really be answered either or, but both and.

But that's just my silly opinion, and I'm so often wrong, I'm surprised God allows me to speak.
Or does He cause me to.
Now He should cause me to shut up. :p
Goid bless your day. :)
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Yes, and thank you. I saw such a great page yesterday on all this but did not save it :( But I fully agree that allowing for something to happen is not in any way the same as causing something to happen. He has taken responsibility either way, though that does not give us any right to blame Him for the choices people make and the evil, suffering, sorrow, guilt, shame, pain, and death that comes from those choices.
 
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Magenta said:
Yes, and thank you. I saw such a great page yesterday on all this but did not save it :( But I fully agree that allowing for something to happen is not in any way the same as causing something to happen. He has taken responsibility either way, though that does not give us any right to blame Him for the choices people make and the evil, suffering, sorrow, guilt, shame, pain, and death that comes from those choices.
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Heard someone say recently, 'Anything I think say or do wrong, I take the blame. Anything good, God gets the credit!'

Sounds like a safe way to go about it.

Having said that, I apologize for anything I ever thought said or did wrong. Or will. I take the blame.

Hey, apologies can be good, so thanks be to God! Lol :D
 
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oldethennew

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after conversion I learned that I would receive a new heart and I put all of my hope
in The Owner of the universe...
He showed me that I had had an infatuation with deceit before He called me...

here is where I am now: I kneel to my Best Friend, who would lend me His hand,
His name is King of kings and He brings me my self respect and the Truth of who I am...

I can't neglect to mention this, I kiss His feet upon the street for all to witness.

before we blame God, we must thoroughly understand our own weakness and then
He teaches us how to over-come through His Holy Love...

just let God's words flood into your mind and you will find what He says is true...

Jesus shows and teaches us the trail - narrow and straight, and we can't come through
if we stray from 'the Way-Truth-and-Life...
 
laura_charlotte

laura_charlotte

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Silverwings said:
God is not responsible for our pain.
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This is very true. So many painful experiences in life can be avoided if we just followed God's will. There are people we should never have had anything to do with, jobs we never should've applied for, lifestyles that should never be engaged in, that bring about so much pain and regret all of our own accord. God gave us free will, we're supposed to give that will over to Him so we can fulfill His will for our lives, not our own.

The problem is people, those who claim to be christian and otherwise, don't know God. They don't know the bible, they don't know His word. They lead their lives according to their flesh. The good news is that deepening our relationship with the Lord, being able to hear His voice much more clearly, continuously studying the bible enables us to match our values, our decisions according to God's will.

This prevents so much unnecessary pain and regret that we otherwise would've totally brought on ourselves, despite God giving us everything to lead us in the total opposite direction to His path of light.
 
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jsr1221 said:
That last sentence is somewhat of an issue. That last sentence is a reason why agnostics think God is just up there smiling and laughing as a child is raped and tortured. To say something like that is glorifying Him, is pretty disturbing. Glorifying brings happiness. How would a child being beaten to half the death day after day, crying out each night asking for help, bring happiness to God?And you're still confusing Him being with us versus Him conjuring up a reason for said thing to happen. I'm watching a preseason football game right now. Did God have a reason for that? I could very well turn it off and do something else. So there's a bit of flaw in that logic.
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anybody here recognize a knucle-head with limited understanding, especially of another's heart???
 
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LaurenTM

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sure everything happens for a reason

BUT they are NOT always God's reasons

can God bring good out of bad? yes He can

however, God does NOT orchestrate sin or what is bad
 
Silverwings

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blue_ladybug said:
Not necessarily. Rape survivors (I will NOT call them "victims") often share their stories with others who have gone through the same thing. I shared my story on here and it has helped alot of other survivors. :) My ordeals have only made me stronger, and more able to relate to another who has just gone through it and is shell shocked. No offense, Silver, but you don't give the survivors of rape much credit at all. I've been raped, had cancer, tried suicide, been incapacitated in bed in absolute agony for over a year, and have lifelong depression. If you read ANYONE'S testimony on here, you will see how they overcame their circumstances in the face of death and adversity. I admire each person who is strong enough to tell their success story on here. :) Read anybody's testimony and you will see that they know there IS a reason for each trial that has come their way...
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blue_ladybug said:
He created Lucifer, he allowed him to rebel against Him, so yes, God caused that sin to happen. Absolutely. God CREATED sin, what part of that isn't sinking into your brain yet? He created it, he caused it and he allows it to occur.
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Is this not blasphemy to knowingly call what is good (which is God) evil?
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If God created sin, then that would make Him evil, would it not? Something is horribly wrong with this train of thought!!
 
Silverwings

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blue_ladybug said:
Not necessarily. Rape survivors (I will NOT call them "victims") often share their stories with others who have gone through the same thing. I shared my story on here and it has helped alot of other survivors. :) My ordeals have only made me stronger, and more able to relate to another who has just gone through it and is shell shocked. No offense, Silver, but you don't give the survivors of rape much credit at all. I've been raped, had cancer, tried suicide, been incapacitated in bed in absolute agony for over a year, and have lifelong depression. If you read ANYONE'S testimony on here, you will see how they overcame their circumstances in the face of death and adversity. I admire each person who is strong enough to tell their success story on here. :) Read anybody's testimony and you will see that they know there IS a reason for each trial that has come their way...
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Silverwings said:
If God created sin, then that would make Him evil, would it not? Something is horribly wrong with this train of thought!!
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Question: "Why does Isaiah 45:7 say that God created evil?"

Answer: Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated “evil” is from a Hebrew word that means “adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery.” Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: “disaster” (NIV, HCSB), “calamity” (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and “woe” (NRSV). The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that “I create evil” in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.

(2) The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than “bringing moral evil into existence” is in mind. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. “Woe to him who quarrels with his Master” (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings “evil” and “disaster.” So, rather than saying that God created “moral evil,” Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture – that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.
 
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PeterJens

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The prodigal son

For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.
Luke 15:24

If we choose the world we choose death and suffering. God said to Adam "If you eat of this tree you
will die" and they ate.

Death is a heavy price to take to get you inheritance before you are ready.

The strangest thing I have found is in our emotional suffering Christ draws closer to us, because He
chose to come and suffer on our behalf.

So much of life is flim flam, choosing what things to buy in the shops, worrying about things that do
not really matter, but the focus of love and who we are brings everything into focus.

When like the prodigal son you have made it home everything looks different.
 
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LaurenTM

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Silverwings said:
If God created sin, then that would make Him evil, would it not? Something is horribly wrong with this train of thought!!
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correct

God did not create sin

the angels who rebelled had free will

just like A & E. God gave them a choice and we know what happened there

God did not create sin
 
Silverwings

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Lady Blue, this is just for you:

[video]https://youtu.be/1zNzs6YujPo[/video]
 
blue_ladybug

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And naturally the comments for that video are disabled..lol..
 
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