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    Just a few scriptures that lead me to believe that God our Father instructed His Son in the manner of creation; and that the Son of God obeyed His voice in all things, even unto the death of the cross: that all things might be made whole in Him. And that we through Faith in Him do believe the gospel unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, The Anointed of Israel, from the dead.
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    John 1:1-3
    (1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    (2) The same was in the beginning with God.
    (3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    Genesis 1:1, 26-27
    (1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    (26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.
    (27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Luke 2:48-49
    (48) And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why have you in this way dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
    (49) And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? know you not that I must be about my Father's business?

    John 1:10-14
    (10) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
    (11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
    (12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
    (13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
    (14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.

    John 8:28-30
    (28) Then said Jesus unto them, When you have lifted up the Son of man, then shall you know that I am, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
    (29) And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
    (30) As he spake these words, many believed on him.

    John 8:42-59
    (42) Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
    (53) Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom do you make yourself?
    (56) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
    (57) Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
    (58) Jesus said unto them, Very, truly, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
    (59) Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

    John 10:24-26
    (24) Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long do you make us to doubt? If you be the Christ, tell us plainly.
    (25) Jesus answered them, I told you, and you believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
    (26) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

    John 14:2-3
    (2) In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
    (3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

    John 15:10
    (10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

    John 17:4-5
    (4) I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which you gave me to do.
    (5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

    1 Corinthians 10:1-4
    (1) Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
    (2) And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
    (3) And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
    (4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

    Ephesians 3:9-11
    (9) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
    (10) To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
    (11) According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

    Colossians 1:12-17
    (12) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
    (13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
    (14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
    (15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    (16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    (17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    Hebrews 1:1-2, 10
    (1) God, who at sundry times and in different manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    (2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
    (10) And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

    1 John 1:1-3
    (1) That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
    (2) (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
    (3) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

    Revelations 3:13-14
    (13) He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
    (14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

    1 Corinthians 15:24 & 28
    (24) Then comes the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
    (28) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

    Revelations 19:11-13

    (11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
    (12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
    (13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

    Revelations 22:3-6
    (3) And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
    (4) And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
    (5) And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God gives them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
    (6) And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

    I pray that this Sabbath meditation be a blessing unto the readers thereof in Jesus' name. Amen.

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    Default Re: Did Jesus Create All Things At His Father's Command?

    Why would the father need to instruct Jesus when Jesus IS God?

    You even quoted the verse yourself:
    (1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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    Default Re: Did Jesus Create All Things At His Father's Command?

    Jesus is God, I agree.

    I believe Jesus and God our Father are one in The Holy Spirit and yet not the same person. The scripture reveals that God has his own will and that Jesus' will is to do the will of the Father. The scriptures reveal that the Father holds in His hands things that have not yet even been revealed to His Son Jesus Christ, who is God. Jesus declares that His Father is His God and that His Father is greater than He is.

    Your question is a good one and I've sought to answer to the best of my ability. I am seeking to understand truly the mystery of God revealed in scripture that Paul speaks of in Ephesians chapter 1, "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory may give unto us the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him." A few of the other scripture references that lead me to believe in such a manner are listed below:

    Mat 24:36
    (36) But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    Mar 13:32
    (32) But of that day and that hour knows no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

    Luk 22:41-42
    (41) And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
    (42) Saying, Father, if you be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

    Joh 5:19-20
    (19) Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do: for what things soever he does, these also does the Son likewise.
    (20) For the Father loves the Son, and shows him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

    Joh 10:29-30
    (29) My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
    (30) I and my Father are one.

    Joh 14:28-29
    (28) You have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
    (29) And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, you might believe.

    Joh 20:17
    (17) Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

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    I believe that Jesus and the Father are the same person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrection33 View Post
    I believe that Jesus and the Father are the same person.
    What you believe is wrong.

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    Default Re: Did Jesus Create All Things At His Father's Command?

    So when Jesus was on the cross you believe God the Father was also on the cross, because they are one in the same person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeNChrist View Post
    What you believe is wrong.
    Another Trinity argument? I can't believe there are three Gods. I believe in one who serves as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father is the Creator, Jesus is the Son, and the Holy Spirit is God when he talks to us. But you don't believe that, and we could go round and round till the cows come home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nowyouseem033 View Post
    So when Jesus was on the cross you believe God the Father was also on the cross, because they are one in the same person.
    Yes, in a manner of speaking. God was still God, but he was also Jesus Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrection33 View Post
    Yes, in a manner of speaking. God was still God, but he was also Jesus Christ.
    Wow thats what i believe also. God is one being in essence but three distinctive persons in substance. Im glad you believe the trinity

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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrection33 View Post
    Another Trinity argument? I can't believe there are three Gods. I believe in one who serves as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father is the Creator, Jesus is the Son, and the Holy Spirit is God when he talks to us. But you don't believe that, and we could go round and round till the cows come home.
    So we can add you to the growing list of those whose denial of an essential belief of Christianity clearly marks you as something other than Christian. Noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nowyouseem033 View Post
    Wow thats what i believe also. God is one being in essence but three distinctive persons in substance. Im glad you believe the trinity
    But there are two kinds of Trinity-believers. I believe there is just one God doing three different things. Others believe there are there different people up there who agree on everything. It causes some rather passionate discussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeNChrist View Post
    So we can add you to the growing list of those whose denial of an essential belief of Christianity clearly marks you as something other than Christian. Noted.
    I suppose everyone who doesn't agree with you is a heretic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrection33 View Post
    I suppose everyone who doesn't agree with you is a heretic.
    It's not me you are disagreeing with. The essentials of the Christian faith are not debatable. And ignorance is no excuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeNChrist View Post
    It's not me you are disagreeing with. The essentials of the Christian faith are not debatable. And ignorance is no excuse.
    I refuse to believe there are three Gods. It would seem to me that you are in error. However, I don't insult you over it. One of us is wrong and the Lord will correct whoever it is in time. I think the Lord wants us to get along with each other. After all, we all believe in Jesus as our Lord and Savior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrection33 View Post
    I refuse to believe there are three Gods. It would seem to me that you are in error. However, I don't insult you over it. One of us is wrong and the Lord will correct whoever it is in time. I think the Lord wants us to get along with each other. After all, we all believe in Jesus as our Lord and Savior.
    If you are insulted by the truth that should tell you something. The Jesus I believe in is God the Son, the second Person of the Trinity. He alone is the Jesus who is Lord and Savior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeNChrist View Post
    If you are insulted by the truth that should tell you something. The Jesus I believe in is God the Son, the second Person of the Trinity. He alone is the Jesus who is Lord and Savior.
    It wasn't the truth that insulted me. It was you. A mature Christian can debate another Christian without insulting them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrection33 View Post
    It wasn't the truth that insulted me. It was you. A mature Christian can debate another Christian without insulting them.
    If the Jesus you believe in is not God the Son, the second Person of the Trinity, then your Jesus is merely a figment of your own imagination who is not Lord and Savior, and who cannot save you, and we do not believe in the same Jesus at all. That is simply the truth. If you find it insulting, so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeNChrist View Post
    If the Jesus you believe in is not God the Son, the second Person of the Trinity, then your Jesus is merely a figment of your own imagination who is not Lord and Savior, and who cannot save you, and we do not believe in the same Jesus at all. That is simply the truth. If you find it insulting, so be it.
    You insulted me in post #10 by saying, "So we can add you to the growing list of those whose denial of an essential belief of Christianity clearly marks you as something other than Christian. Noted.” To deny you insulted me is to weaken your credibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrection33 View Post
    You insulted me in post #10 by saying, "So we can add you to the growing list of those whose denial of an essential belief of Christianity clearly marks you as something other than Christian. Noted.” To deny you insulted me is to weaken your credibility.
    Ummm, you put yourself on the list by knowingly denying the Trinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrection33 View Post
    But there are two kinds of Trinity-believers. I believe there is just one God doing three different things. Others believe there are there different people up there who agree on everything. It causes some rather passionate discussions.
    Yeeeah, like when Jesus was baptized by John God didn't say "this is me in whom I'm well pleased, hear me."

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