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    Quote Originally Posted by shittim View Post
    I think there was something in the Federal Crime bill about a "protruding" grip and they may have copied that language
    in their draconian legislation, the angled grip may be allowed.
    Yes... because the grip makes SUCH a big difference....

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    Is that because there are limits on what "restricted" items you can have on an AR? In other words, as long as it's not a "collapsible" stock, you can have regular mags? If that's the case, I'd just get one of the original fixed stocks.... I sort of prefer them, anyway. I haven't had any use for a collapsible stock up to this point. The only benefit I can see to it is that you can put it in a shorter gun case to transport it.

    like this one...

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    That's what I gather from the video, that as long as you have the locked mag you can have pistol grip and adjustable stock, which is pretty awesome and the video is dated Feb. 2017.

    But I just found the AR that I will buy (if I ever get around to buying it)... Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 .22lr with 10rd mag. Its perfectly legal still in CA since rimfires don't fall under the assault weapon law.

    https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearm...k-ca-compliant
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    Found this vid which explains the restrictions on cali AR-15s (and all centerfire semi-auto rifles). Turns out that other video was right..

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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetguy View Post
    Right now there is a place in Abilene Tx that has DPMS AR's in .223/5.56 for $399. That's with a 16" light profile chrome lined barrel, quad rail, and flip up sights on the flat top rail.

    If I had the discretionary fundage, I'd get one to set up strictly for home defense. I've been thinking about paying the tax and getting a suppressor for one. That would have to be the ultimate HD firearm.
    I think I found that deal, except it went up to $439 (it said as $399 earlier). Unfortunately its not CA legal, so it can't even be shipped here. But its ok because there is the S&W M&P sport II /223/5.56 CA legal model for $449.
    https://www.turners.com/smith-and-we...port-m--441700

    Since I'm finding out that 22lr isn't exactly the most reliable ammo, I'm setting my sights on an affordable .223/5.56, plus I've seen some videos where they refer to the .22 as being just a practice gun and not a "real" AR... that recoil though!

    And I did figure out the law about california "assault weapons" and it confirms what was in that video I posted earlier (as long as it has a locked magazine requiring the gun to be opened to reload, you can have a pistol grip, adjustable stock and flash suppressor. Without a locked mag, the gun can't have those features)
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeroturbulence View Post
    I think I found that deal, except it went up to $439 (it said as $399 earlier). Unfortunately its not CA legal, so it can't even be shipped here. But its ok because there is the S&W M&P sport II /223/5.56 CA legal model for $449.
    https://www.turners.com/smith-and-we...port-m--441700

    Since I'm finding out that 22lr isn't exactly the most reliable ammo, I'm setting my sights on an affordable .223/5.56, plus I've seen some videos where they refer to the .22 as being just a practice gun and not a "real" AR... that recoil though!

    And I did figure out the law about california "assault weapons" and it confirms what was in that video I posted earlier (as long as it has a locked magazine requiring the gun to be opened to reload, you can have a pistol grip, adjustable stock and flash suppressor. Without a locked mag, the gun can't have those features)

    Some rimfire ammo can be "iffy"... I have found that CCI MiniMags are as close to flawless, performance wise, as you can get. I've had good luck with others, as well, but I can definitely recommend the MiniMags.

    Usually, I only have problems with the cheaper "bulk" ammo, as far as any misfires, etc.
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    Just felt like posting some random AR pics... Don't worry they're all real...
















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    ahhhh... those are nice. Perhaps a little more "cluttered" than I like, but still nice.

    I'd like to set one up with a small laser, flip up sights, unobtrusive flashlight, and a suppressor.

    Everything you need for HD, and nothing else.
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    That last one - the animated gif shows a bump-fire stock. I'm undecided about those for home defense. On one hand, I tell myself that if I'm at the point of firing off a round at an intruder, then a dozen or more following close behind ain't a bad idea. On the other hand, I remember the saying "there is a lawyer attached to every one of those bullets", and that it might be easier to legally defend shooting an intruder once versus...a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yahweh_is_gracious View Post
    That last one - the animated gif shows a bump-fire stock. I'm undecided about those for home defense. On one hand, I tell myself that if I'm at the point of firing off a round at an intruder, then a dozen or more following close behind ain't a bad idea. On the other hand, I remember the saying "there is a lawyer attached to every one of those bullets", and that it might be easier to legally defend shooting an intruder once versus...a lot.
    Plus there would be less of a mess to clean up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetguy View Post
    ahhhh... those are nice. Perhaps a little more "cluttered" than I like, but still nice.

    I'd like to set one up with a small laser, flip up sights, unobtrusive flashlight, and a suppressor.

    Everything you need for HD, and nothing else.
    HD = Hunting Deer?
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    home defense, how do you shoot anything in a house and not blow your own ear drums out without protection?
    I would think even the primer would be load enough to cause concern of damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeroturbulence View Post
    HD = Hunting Deer?
    Home Defense
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    Quote Originally Posted by shittim View Post
    home defense, how do you shoot anything in a house and not blow your own ear drums out without protection?
    I would think even the primer would be load enough to cause concern of damage.
    Noise would probably be the least of your concerns.

    Although I have never tried it myself...

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    I know I will survive, I have no "concerns".
    put your hearing protection on and launch a round of 22 in a safe medium, and
    communication and precaution are taken and it is quite surprising.
    Best wishes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yahweh_is_gracious View Post
    That last one - the animated gif shows a bump-fire stock. I'm undecided about those for home defense. On one hand, I tell myself that if I'm at the point of firing off a round at an intruder, then a dozen or more following close behind ain't a bad idea. On the other hand, I remember the saying "there is a lawyer attached to every one of those bullets", and that it might be easier to legally defend shooting an intruder once versus...a lot.
    I think you are right. Shooting more than is necessary to stop the threat would probably be looked on as "intent to kill" instead of "intent to stop the threat".

    home defense, how do you shoot anything in a house and not blow your own ear drums out without protection?
    That is why I wanted to get a suppressor for my "ideal" AR. ANY firearm discharged in an enclosed space will damage your hearing. Even the "lowly .22"...

    But, as was mentioned, if I was in the situation where I felt lethal force was necessary, I don't think I'd be worried about my hearing being damaged.

    I read a story once about an undercover drug officer that was in a car doing a deal, when the three bad guys in there with him decided he was a cop, and were about to shoot him. He pulled out his "hideout gun", which happened to be a short barrel .44 magnum, and managed to end the confrontation with three shots. He was left totally, permanently deaf from that encounter, but he was happy to still be alive.
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    "totally and permanently" that says it. I didn't know about this undercover officer situation.
    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by shittim View Post
    I think there was something in the Federal Crime bill about a "protruding" grip and they may have copied that language
    in their draconian legislation, the angled grip may be allowed.
    Our wonderful state legislature just loves being creative with gun control.
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    just "found" a S&W Model 10, heavy barrel, think I am going to really like this one.
    just created a batch with 3.2gr. of W231, 158 gr. DEWC, will test drive tomorrow.
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    Nice six-shooter!
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