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I'm afraid I can't get over the person who plays Darcy in this version. Also, while the costumes and such are all correct, it has a modern "feel" to it which I can't quite get over. Maybe that's just me 
However, I have found Matthew Macfadyen to be an exemplary Darcy, aloof as is to be expected toward strangers, but truly wounded by Elizabeth's ill-conceived impressions and reflections of who she conceives him to be, vulnerable in his presentations to her of his justified objections, and softer in the honest expressions of his openness and attraction to her. The softness does not dull his passions or impassioned presentations, but rather works to make him more appealing. Yes, I really do love him as Darcy, and Keira as Elizabeth as well as all family members and other players, even Mr Collins, though not the send up that BBC portrayed, is more than sufficiently and repulsively smarmy The score, settings, scenes, and photography are gorgeous also. I earnestly entreat you to give it a chance
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I thought the same thing at first, but have come to dearly love this portrayal of Jane's story originally titled "First Impressions." You may find, as I did, that my first inclinations were off due to my preference for the Firth impression However, I have found Matthew Macfadyen to be an exemplary Darcy, aloof as is to be expected toward strangers, but truly wounded by Elizabeth's ill-conceived impressions and reflections of who she conceives him to be, vulnerable in his presentations to her of his justified objections, and softer in the honest expressions of his openness and attraction to her. The softness does not dull his passions or impassioned presentations, but rather works to make him more appealing. Yes, I really do love him as Darcy, and Keira as Elizabeth as well as all family members and other players, even Mr Collins, though not the send up that BBC portrayed, is more than sufficiently and repulsively smarmy The score, settings, scenes, and photography are gorgeous also. I earnestly entreat you to give it a chance
However, I have found Matthew Macfadyen to be an exemplary Darcy, aloof as is to be expected toward strangers, but truly wounded by Elizabeth's ill-conceived impressions and reflections of who she conceives him to be, vulnerable in his presentations to her of his justified objections, and softer in the honest expressions of his openness and attraction to her. The softness does not dull his passions or impassioned presentations, but rather works to make him more appealing. Yes, I really do love him as Darcy, and Keira as Elizabeth as well as all family members and other players, even Mr Collins, though not the send up that BBC portrayed, is more than sufficiently and repulsively smarmy The score, settings, scenes, and photography are gorgeous also. I earnestly entreat you to give it a chance
I watched the first clip. I do not like Knightley as much as Ehle. Ehle seems more intelligent than Knightley. I did like the beginning with the telescoping into the Bennet home and seeing their things- that was a nice beginning. I might watch it, but I don't think it can replace the A&E version.
I do still think this one is well worth watching. It did not get as high a review as the BBC series, but less people voted for the ratings equation also, so that has to be figured in. One thing that strikes me is that generally speaking, the movie productions are quite lush compared to BBC productions, so that probably contributes to what Tinuviel called a more modern feel. It does however capture the depth and feeling of the story, even though it is much shortened into just over two hours compared to almost five and a half hours of the BBC production. The lushness of the scenes is something that really grows on me, and even though so much is told in a comparatively much shorter span of time, absolutely none of it feels rushed, and in fact the movie lingers in places to allow us to fully ingest and appreciate the beauty or import and message of the scene, and some things are communicated in a look that may have required multiple sentences articulated elsewhere, so it is more subtle in some ways, and sweeter, too, even though the sharpness of the wit is still well represented between the main players, I think their hearts are shown very well, and that counts for much...
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I realize it may be impossible not to compare one to the other I do still think this one is well worth watching. It did not get as high a review as the BBC series, but less people voted for the ratings equation also, so that has to be figured in. One thing that strikes me is that generally speaking, the movie productions are quite lush compared to BBC productions, so that probably contributes to what Tinuviel called a more modern feel. It does however capture the depth and feeling of the story, even though it is much shortened into just over two hours compared to almost five and a half hours of the BBC production.
The lushness of the scenes is something that really grows on me, and even though so much is told in a comparatively much shorter span of time, absolutely none of it feels rushed, and in fact the movie lingers in places to allow us to fully ingest and appreciate the beauty or import and message of the scene, and some things are communicated in a look that may have required multiple sentences articulated elsewhere, so it is more subtle in some ways, and sweeter, too, even though the sharpness of the wit is still well represented between the main players, I think their hearts are shown very well, and that counts for much...
I do still think this one is well worth watching. It did not get as high a review as the BBC series, but less people voted for the ratings equation also, so that has to be figured in. One thing that strikes me is that generally speaking, the movie productions are quite lush compared to BBC productions, so that probably contributes to what Tinuviel called a more modern feel. It does however capture the depth and feeling of the story, even though it is much shortened into just over two hours compared to almost five and a half hours of the BBC production. The lushness of the scenes is something that really grows on me, and even though so much is told in a comparatively much shorter span of time, absolutely none of it feels rushed, and in fact the movie lingers in places to allow us to fully ingest and appreciate the beauty or import and message of the scene, and some things are communicated in a look that may have required multiple sentences articulated elsewhere, so it is more subtle in some ways, and sweeter, too, even though the sharpness of the wit is still well represented between the main players, I think their hearts are shown very well, and that counts for much...
I do find the look of the film quite appealing... the aspect ratio also allows for more to be included in any given scene, with a wider angle instead of the boxier visual that older shows are often confined to. Did you notice in that opening scene, you mentioned you enjoyed the telescoping into the house from the back... you can see quite well how rural it is, the livestock yard being adjacent to the rear of the house, all the laundry, quite a bit of it (!) layers and layers she had to duck through, after crossing the duck pond, the servants about their chores... all the while the music is playing, and as Lizzie approaches the house you suddenly realize it is actually her sister at the piano we are listening to, and the still for that first of 25 part video shows the house to be spotless as Mary sits at the piano playing; there is sometimes chaos with so many people about, and yet the house is kept clean and well ordered, (funny come to think of it, that really reminds me of my childhood home, the constant seemingly chaos due to sheer number of people and yet the rooms are always spare and clean)... but the end of the scene, as they telescope away from the front of the house, the beauty of the residence itself, situated behind those two huge trees perfectly situated to frame the homestead... yes, I find the visuals striking, but I would not say they would make up for a poor script/screenplay or an inferior representation of the book itself I am watching the movie for the second time this week It is gorgeous. I confess I am quite in love with the fiction of Jane Austen
I am watching the movie for the second time this week It is gorgeous. I confess I am quite in love with the fiction of Jane Austen
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I do find the look of the film quite appealing... the aspect ratio also allows for more to be included in any given scene, with a wider angle instead of the boxier visual that older shows are often confined to. Did you notice in that opening scene, you mentioned you enjoyed the telescoping into the house from the back... you can see quite well how rural it is, the livestock yard being adjacent to the rear of the house, all the laundry, quite a bit of it (!) layers and layers she had to duck through, after crossing the duck pond, the servants about their chores... all the while the music is playing, and as Lizzie approaches the house you suddenly realize it is actually her sister at the piano we are listening to, and the still for that first of 25 part video shows the house to be spotless as Mary sits at the piano playing; there is sometimes chaos with so many people about, and yet the house is kept clean and well ordered, (funny come to think of it, that really reminds me of my childhood home, the constant seemingly chaos due to sheer number of people and yet the rooms are always spare and clean)... but the end of the scene, as they telescope away from the front of the house, the beauty of the residence itself, situated behind those two huge trees perfectly situated to frame the homestead... yes, I find the visuals striking, but I would not say they would make up for a poor script/screenplay or an inferior representation of the book itself I am watching the movie for the second time this week It is gorgeous. I confess I am quite in love with the fiction of Jane Austen
I am watching the movie for the second time this week It is gorgeous. I confess I am quite in love with the fiction of Jane Austen
I used to read the complaint "It's a play on film" all the time about certain films, and how certain filmmakers were not so innovative because they focused on the screenplay rather than camera work- like Mankeiwizc. All About Eve is fantastic, as is A Letter to Three Wives. I love Kirk Douglas' monologue in that one about the dumbing down of culture (he plays a teacher, of course). Rope was awesome, but I read where people complained that it wasn't as full of visual innovation and was just a 'play on film'- but the writing is SO good- and the ethical questions brought up in that one make you think.
I love old movies as you can probably tell. Lol. I haven't read any Austen in a long time- but I rewatched S&S thanks to you.
I did like the opening sequence, but the house looked kind of cluttered to me. Lol. I thought it looked like a lot of girls lived there. The façade of the home is stunning. Keira Knightley kind of puts me off, for some reason. There is something about her I don't care much for- maybe it is her pouting look? Which is bizarre because I have a down turned mouth and look like I am pouting in my "resting face". It probably just goes back to the fact that she isn't Ehle.
Don't get me wrong, I like the beauty of films too. The 1994 (I think) version of The Secret Garden is one of my favorite films because it is so beautiful, as well as well acted and the screenplay is faithful to Burnett's book. The sequence where the garden comes back to life is magic. It looks a little like Heaven to me, my conception, anyway. It leaves me longing. Every time I watch it, I get a funny feeling- wistfulness, I think for something so pure and lovely. The Merchant and Ivory films are beautiful, too.
I used to read the complaint "It's a play on film" all the time about certain films, and how certain filmmakers were not so innovative because they focused on the screenplay rather than camera work- like Mankeiwizc. All About Eve is fantastic, as is A Letter to Three Wives. I love Kirk Douglas' monologue in that one about the dumbing down of culture (he plays a teacher, of course). Rope was awesome, but I read where people complained that it wasn't as full of visual innovation and was just a 'play on film'- but the writing is SO good- and the ethical questions brought up in that one make you think.
I love old movies as you can probably tell. Lol. I haven't read any Austen in a long time- but I rewatched S&S thanks to you.
I did like the opening sequence, but the house looked kind of cluttered to me. Lol. I thought it looked like a lot of girls lived there. The façade of the home is stunning. Keira Knightley kind of puts me off, for some reason. There is something about her I don't care much for- maybe it is her pouting look? Which is bizarre because I have a down turned mouth and look like I am pouting in my "resting face". It probably just goes back to the fact that she isn't Ehle.
I used to read the complaint "It's a play on film" all the time about certain films, and how certain filmmakers were not so innovative because they focused on the screenplay rather than camera work- like Mankeiwizc. All About Eve is fantastic, as is A Letter to Three Wives. I love Kirk Douglas' monologue in that one about the dumbing down of culture (he plays a teacher, of course). Rope was awesome, but I read where people complained that it wasn't as full of visual innovation and was just a 'play on film'- but the writing is SO good- and the ethical questions brought up in that one make you think.
I love old movies as you can probably tell. Lol. I haven't read any Austen in a long time- but I rewatched S&S thanks to you.
I did like the opening sequence, but the house looked kind of cluttered to me. Lol. I thought it looked like a lot of girls lived there. The façade of the home is stunning. Keira Knightley kind of puts me off, for some reason. There is something about her I don't care much for- maybe it is her pouting look? Which is bizarre because I have a down turned mouth and look like I am pouting in my "resting face". It probably just goes back to the fact that she isn't Ehle.
Yet the heart of the story is there, and a quality of soul that seems lacking in the more spare BBC production... I do not mean to slag the BBC production at all, for it was of course very faithful to the book (which I have not read for a while), but even if some of the details are missing in the shorter movie version, I do like some of these character portrayals better, for instance Mrs Bennett being not so terribly over fraught all the time, though she can still work herself into a good tizzy. Kitty and Lydia are always conspiring hysterically together, listening at doors and chasing the militiamen and generally trying to live as much life as quickly as possible while the rest of the movie strolls through the main plot points, striking faithfully at the central themes.Alongside what I call the lushness is a bit more of a casualness, in the hair styles for instance, not such tightly curled hair, less fuss that way, and even in the manner of dressing, not that it is dressed down, just a different quality that strikes me as being less up tight and therefore more relaxed, readily accessible, and appealing... one thing I wondered about the BBC production, and I have wondered this for a while since seeing it, because I cannot remember Darcy giving in his defense to Lizzie the reason for separating Jane and Bingley! It is covered at least twice in the movie, Darcy telling Jane in person when he first proposes and she rebuffs him, and then again in writing in his letter of defense to her, concerning the particulars where he felt she had done him an injustice. Surely Wickham was such a case.
I know what you mean about Kiera's pouty look, almost as if she has been botoxed a bit, and she also has a bit of a jaw jut at times that may just be the stubbornness of character she is evincing
Overall I really like her, and she is very good looking, as are Matthew, and Jane, well liked by me, and considered well cast for their roles. Bingley comes across a bit as being at a loss as to how to properly behave in the presence of those he admires, but that plays to his innocence. The scene after he returns to Netherfield is hilarious. You will have to see it, I could not adequately describe it (nor would I want to spoil it for you), but again it is a beautifully shot scene, and reminiscent of the Edward Ferrars moments of epic awkwardness in S&S I do prefer this Jane, also, over the BBC one. Yes, the house is cluttered but it is still clean. I was thinking of pictures I have of myself as a child, a couple where I have one of the raccoons in the house with me, I am nine or ten years old and the raccoon is the size of my torso, in one shot climbing up my body and in another draped across my legs as we are both on the floor, she happily chewing on something. The rooms in the background are spare and spotless. Longbourne it was not
Still, the Longbourne house is kept clean, even if there is clutter. Of course they have servants for that. It reminds me of the S&S scene when Elinor is informing the staff that they will only be able to afford to keep two on. She is addressing a room of about a dozen servants! What a life I do not remember the Secret Garden, though I am sure I have seen it because I know my daughter really liked it
Many of the old movies that I may have seen have faded in my memory. I do not even know if I have seen Rope I was not much of a movie buff when I was younger, always preferring to read books I pay more attention now to who is playing whom, and drive my daughter crazy LOL she does not care and does not really follow who did what and what else they may have been in. Sometimes she will pause the movie so we can look them up before we carry on watching whatever the film is, and other times she won't , even though I am begging her so I can stop wondering where I have seen them before Sometimes when we are watching a movie she will ask me a question, and I always have to tell her, pause the movie, so I do not miss anything while I am explaining something to her Lizzie has just gotten news of Lydia running away with Wickham...
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No, Knightley is not Elhe, and Matthew is not Colin, and 2 hours gives little time to have the fullness of the dialogue play out Yet the heart of the story is there, and a quality of soul that seems lacking in the more spare BBC production... I do not mean to slag the BBC production at all, for it was of course very faithful to the book (which I have not read for a while), but even if some of the details are missing in the shorter movie version, I do like some of these character portrayals better, for instance Mrs Bennett being not so terribly over fraught all the time, though she can still work herself into a good tizzy. Kitty and Lydia are always conspiring hysterically together, listening at doors and chasing the militiamen and generally trying to live as much life as quickly as possible while the rest of the movie strolls through the main plot points, striking faithfully at the central themes.
Alongside what I call the lushness is a bit more of a casualness, in the hair styles for instance, not such tightly curled hair, less fuss that way, and even in the manner of dressing, not that it is dressed down, just a different quality that strikes me as being less up tight and therefore more relaxed, readily accessible, and appealing... one thing I wondered about the BBC production, and I have wondered this for a while since seeing it, because I cannot remember Darcy giving in his defense to Lizzie the reason for separating Jane and Bingley! It is covered at least twice in the movie, Darcy telling Jane in person when he first proposes and she rebuffs him, and then again in writing in his letter of defense to her, concerning the particulars where he felt she had done him an injustice. Surely Wickham was such a case.
I know what you mean about Kiera's pouty look, almost as if she has been botoxed a bit, and she also has a bit of a jaw jut at times that may just be the stubbornness of character she is evincing Overall I really like her, and she is very good looking, as are Matthew, and Jane, well liked by me, and considered well cast for their roles. Bingley comes across a bit as being at a loss as to how to properly behave in the presence of those he admires, but that plays to his innocence. The scene after he returns to Netherfield is hilarious. You will have to see it, I could not adequately describe it (nor would I want to spoil it for you), but again it is a beautifully shot scene, and reminiscent of the Edward Ferrars moments of epic awkwardness in S&S I do prefer this Jane, also, over the BBC one.
Yes, the house is cluttered but it is still clean. I was thinking of pictures I have of myself as a child, a couple where I have one of the raccoons in the house with me, I am nine or ten years old and the raccoon is the size of my torso, in one shot climbing up my body and in another draped across my legs as we are both on the floor, she happily chewing on something. The rooms in the background are spare and spotless. Longbourne it was not Still, the Longbourne house is kept clean, even if there is clutter. Of course they have servants for that. It reminds me of the S&S scene when Elinor is informing the staff that they will only be able to afford to keep two on. She is addressing a room of about a dozen servants! What a life
I do not remember the Secret Garden, though I am sure I have seen it because I know my daughter really liked it Many of the old movies that I may have seen have faded in my memory. I do not even know if I have seen Rope I was not much of a movie buff when I was younger, always preferring to read books I pay more attention now to who is playing whom, and drive my daughter crazy LOL she does not care and does not really follow who did what and what else they may have been in. Sometimes she will pause the movie so we can look them up before we carry on watching whatever the film is, and other times she won't , even though I am begging her so I can stop wondering where I have seen them before Sometimes when we are watching a movie she will ask me a question, and I always have to tell her, pause the movie, so I do not miss anything while I am explaining something to her
Lizzie has just gotten news of Lydia running away with Wickham...
Yet the heart of the story is there, and a quality of soul that seems lacking in the more spare BBC production... I do not mean to slag the BBC production at all, for it was of course very faithful to the book (which I have not read for a while), but even if some of the details are missing in the shorter movie version, I do like some of these character portrayals better, for instance Mrs Bennett being not so terribly over fraught all the time, though she can still work herself into a good tizzy. Kitty and Lydia are always conspiring hysterically together, listening at doors and chasing the militiamen and generally trying to live as much life as quickly as possible while the rest of the movie strolls through the main plot points, striking faithfully at the central themes.Alongside what I call the lushness is a bit more of a casualness, in the hair styles for instance, not such tightly curled hair, less fuss that way, and even in the manner of dressing, not that it is dressed down, just a different quality that strikes me as being less up tight and therefore more relaxed, readily accessible, and appealing... one thing I wondered about the BBC production, and I have wondered this for a while since seeing it, because I cannot remember Darcy giving in his defense to Lizzie the reason for separating Jane and Bingley! It is covered at least twice in the movie, Darcy telling Jane in person when he first proposes and she rebuffs him, and then again in writing in his letter of defense to her, concerning the particulars where he felt she had done him an injustice. Surely Wickham was such a case.
I know what you mean about Kiera's pouty look, almost as if she has been botoxed a bit, and she also has a bit of a jaw jut at times that may just be the stubbornness of character she is evincing
Overall I really like her, and she is very good looking, as are Matthew, and Jane, well liked by me, and considered well cast for their roles. Bingley comes across a bit as being at a loss as to how to properly behave in the presence of those he admires, but that plays to his innocence. The scene after he returns to Netherfield is hilarious. You will have to see it, I could not adequately describe it (nor would I want to spoil it for you), but again it is a beautifully shot scene, and reminiscent of the Edward Ferrars moments of epic awkwardness in S&S I do prefer this Jane, also, over the BBC one. Yes, the house is cluttered but it is still clean. I was thinking of pictures I have of myself as a child, a couple where I have one of the raccoons in the house with me, I am nine or ten years old and the raccoon is the size of my torso, in one shot climbing up my body and in another draped across my legs as we are both on the floor, she happily chewing on something. The rooms in the background are spare and spotless. Longbourne it was not
Still, the Longbourne house is kept clean, even if there is clutter. Of course they have servants for that. It reminds me of the S&S scene when Elinor is informing the staff that they will only be able to afford to keep two on. She is addressing a room of about a dozen servants! What a life I do not remember the Secret Garden, though I am sure I have seen it because I know my daughter really liked it
Many of the old movies that I may have seen have faded in my memory. I do not even know if I have seen Rope I was not much of a movie buff when I was younger, always preferring to read books I pay more attention now to who is playing whom, and drive my daughter crazy LOL she does not care and does not really follow who did what and what else they may have been in. Sometimes she will pause the movie so we can look them up before we carry on watching whatever the film is, and other times she won't , even though I am begging her so I can stop wondering where I have seen them before Sometimes when we are watching a movie she will ask me a question, and I always have to tell her, pause the movie, so I do not miss anything while I am explaining something to her Lizzie has just gotten news of Lydia running away with Wickham...
It makes sense that the Bennet family would be more casual, since they are not really part of the elite. So, that was a clever production choice. I only saw the clip you posted. Lol, I can't really say I like it or not. I talked to an Austen expert a couple of years ago, and he said the 2005 version was not as good as the Firth/Ehle version. So, I never bothered watching it (of course, he said he was an Austen expert- this was online, so he may not have been).
I'll have to watch it and get over my antipathy toward Knightley.
Were your raccoons wild? I would be afraid of them.
I can't even picture what MacFayden looks like. I'm hopelessly out of the loop when it comes to newer actors and actresses. Lol
BUT I can tell you who William Powell is.
I'm such a throwback.
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I prefer Ehle's looks and manner to Knightley. I would probably lime it better if Knightley were not Lizzie and Rosamund (?) who plays Jane played Lizzie. There are some actors and actresses you just don't like for whatever reason. Ehle is so WARM and Knightley is not (imo).
It makes sense that the Bennet family would be more casual, since they are not really part of the elite. So, that was a clever production choice. I only saw the clip you posted. Lol, I can't really say I like it or not. I talked to an Austen expert a couple of years ago, and he said the 2005 version was not as good as the Firth/Ehle version. So, I never bothered watching it (of course, he said he was an Austen expert- this was online, so he may not have been).
I'll have to watch it and get over my antipathy toward Knightley.
Were your raccoons wild? I would be afraid of them.
I can't even picture what MacFayden looks like. I'm hopelessly out of the loop when it comes to newer actors and actresses. Lol
BUT I can tell you who William Powell is. I'm such a throwback.
It makes sense that the Bennet family would be more casual, since they are not really part of the elite. So, that was a clever production choice. I only saw the clip you posted. Lol, I can't really say I like it or not. I talked to an Austen expert a couple of years ago, and he said the 2005 version was not as good as the Firth/Ehle version. So, I never bothered watching it (of course, he said he was an Austen expert- this was online, so he may not have been).
I'll have to watch it and get over my antipathy toward Knightley.
Were your raccoons wild? I would be afraid of them.
I can't even picture what MacFayden looks like. I'm hopelessly out of the loop when it comes to newer actors and actresses. Lol
BUT I can tell you who William Powell is.
I'm such a throwback.
).
Heh, I would not say they were screaming That is the best scene in the whole movie They are yes, very animated in their discourse, she especially being quite angry having just been deeply stung to discover that it was Darcy who had been the impetus behind Bingley's abrupt and unexpected departure from Netherfield, ruining perhaps forever the happiness of a most beloved sister... she does collect herself somewhat after excoriating him for that, and he is defending his motives against her rapid fire accusations, but it is when she asks about Mr. Wickham, my goodness, when Darcy approaches her, coming to stand directly in front of her, and she is again putting her case forward in all the heat she feels at his offense, generated by the falseness that Wickham has afforded in order to deceive her and her family and all of anyone who would listen to his fabricated tale of woe of having been so poorly treated by Mr. Darcy... well, they are both angry, they are finding out what each truly thinks of the other, and yet there is still something else, and the shades of this are oh so very evident, perhaps especially in Darcy, who has after all struggled against his feelings for her for some time, while she is giving vent to her disdainful loathing of him and what she perceives to be his arrogance and pride, and lack of concern for the feelings of others. Each are wounded by the strands of truth that are being brought to light in their open and frank admissions. It is a fabulous scene for the vulnerability and honesty in exposing themselves to the other, not in any way stilted... I do prefer, I suppose, the more natural feel to it The movie often has the distant sounds of thunder rumbling behind the dialogue even on a sunny day in more pleasant circumstances, but in this scene the storm is well upon them
That is the best scene in the whole movie They are yes, very animated in their discourse, she especially being quite angry having just been deeply stung to discover that it was Darcy who had been the impetus behind Bingley's abrupt and unexpected departure from Netherfield, ruining perhaps forever the happiness of a most beloved sister... she does collect herself somewhat after excoriating him for that, and he is defending his motives against her rapid fire accusations, but it is when she asks about Mr. Wickham, my goodness, when Darcy approaches her, coming to stand directly in front of her, and she is again putting her case forward in all the heat she feels at his offense, generated by the falseness that Wickham has afforded in order to deceive her and her family and all of anyone who would listen to his fabricated tale of woe of having been so poorly treated by Mr. Darcy... well, they are both angry, they are finding out what each truly thinks of the other, and yet there is still something else, and the shades of this are oh so very evident, perhaps especially in Darcy, who has after all struggled against his feelings for her for some time, while she is giving vent to her disdainful loathing of him and what she perceives to be his arrogance and pride, and lack of concern for the feelings of others. Each are wounded by the strands of truth that are being brought to light in their open and frank admissions. It is a fabulous scene for the vulnerability and honesty in exposing themselves to the other, not in any way stilted... I do prefer, I suppose, the more natural feel to it The movie often has the distant sounds of thunder rumbling behind the dialogue even on a sunny day in more pleasant circumstances, but in this scene the storm is well upon them Rather than posting on your book thread, in case P&P eventually wins the race for the chosen title, I have decided to revisit this thread, where we have shared so much of our love for Jane Austen's fiction, to report my sadness upon nearing the end of P&P. I have stretched it out as much as I could, and discovered a few things I had not remembered from previous readings, one being that Lizzy was her mother's least favorite daughter (of course we know she was her father's favorite) and secondly that her parents were really not happily married. The latter discovery took me somewhat by surprise, because he always had such a conciliatory attitude towards his wife's complaints and fits of nerves, but the fact is that he had given up quite early any notion of true marital bliss.
"Her father, captivated by youth and beauty, and that appearance of good-humour which youth and beauty generally give, had married a woman whose weak understanding and illiberal mind had very early in their marriage put an end to all real affection for her. Respect, esteem, and confidence had vanished for ever; and all his views of domestic happiness were overthrown."
More, I wished to express how touching it was to read of Darcy's earnest devotion to giving Lizzie pleasure even not knowing if she could or would ever forgive his lapse of manners; the lengths he went to in setting to rights his part in the unfortunate unfolding of events involving Lydia and Wickham, and all he did to secure her good opinion of him despite her refusal of his marriage proposal, with neither resentment nor real hope on his part of her ever returning his feelings of admiration for her. No wonder she was so astonished at every turn LOL. His constancy of affection for her under all the attenuating circumstances is a picture of perfection and true dedication to the values he held as an honorable man.
To me it is not just that this book is more witty, but that she goes into much more depth of detail in the fluctuations of their feelings (Lizzie's particularly) and the conditions that occasion them. It is exquisitely told, and so so sweet overall.
"Her father, captivated by youth and beauty, and that appearance of good-humour which youth and beauty generally give, had married a woman whose weak understanding and illiberal mind had very early in their marriage put an end to all real affection for her. Respect, esteem, and confidence had vanished for ever; and all his views of domestic happiness were overthrown."
More, I wished to express how touching it was to read of Darcy's earnest devotion to giving Lizzie pleasure even not knowing if she could or would ever forgive his lapse of manners; the lengths he went to in setting to rights his part in the unfortunate unfolding of events involving Lydia and Wickham, and all he did to secure her good opinion of him despite her refusal of his marriage proposal, with neither resentment nor real hope on his part of her ever returning his feelings of admiration for her. No wonder she was so astonished at every turn LOL. His constancy of affection for her under all the attenuating circumstances is a picture of perfection and true dedication to the values he held as an honorable man.
To me it is not just that this book is more witty, but that she goes into much more depth of detail in the fluctuations of their feelings (Lizzie's particularly) and the conditions that occasion them. It is exquisitely told, and so so sweet overall.
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I like that bit about Mr. Bennet falling out of affection with his wife because she is not intelligent. This is definitely written from a woman's point of view, because I doubt very seriously intelligence much matters to men. I don't think it is particularly high on their priority list. I don't think a man would have written that this was the reason for Mr. Bennet to be unhappy in his marriage.
I think too, Darcy felt responsible (partly) for Wickham's behavior, since he did not expose Wickham's past to his acquaintances, and Wickham was welcomed into people's homes and was able to be around impressionable girls. If he had told everyone about Wickham's past, the whole episode with Lydia would have been avoided. Since Wickham had almost seduced Georgiana, part of Darcy's failure to expose Wickham was to protect Georgiana's reputation. So, I think he was making amends for not telling everyone what a scoundrel Wickham really was.
Remember, he did not know Lydia would tell that Darcy was present at the wedding. Lizzy's aunt and uncle were enjoined by Darcy NOT to tell that he was responsible for bailing out Lydia and the family. So, he did not know that she would ever regain a good opinion of him. She found out his role in bailing out the family by accident.
But, I agree. Darcy is an honorable man, and it is touching to know that he never loses his good opinion of Lizzy, although she is rather unkind to him. He is constant, and that is very beautiful, indeed.
I think too, Darcy felt responsible (partly) for Wickham's behavior, since he did not expose Wickham's past to his acquaintances, and Wickham was welcomed into people's homes and was able to be around impressionable girls. If he had told everyone about Wickham's past, the whole episode with Lydia would have been avoided. Since Wickham had almost seduced Georgiana, part of Darcy's failure to expose Wickham was to protect Georgiana's reputation. So, I think he was making amends for not telling everyone what a scoundrel Wickham really was.
Remember, he did not know Lydia would tell that Darcy was present at the wedding. Lizzy's aunt and uncle were enjoined by Darcy NOT to tell that he was responsible for bailing out Lydia and the family. So, he did not know that she would ever regain a good opinion of him. She found out his role in bailing out the family by accident.
But, I agree. Darcy is an honorable man, and it is touching to know that he never loses his good opinion of Lizzy, although she is rather unkind to him. He is constant, and that is very beautiful, indeed.
Here we are almost three months later I have watched a few modern movie/documentary takes on Jane's life, as well as a couple of rather silly modern offshoots from her life, one of which was quite entertaining, and the other not so much except perhaps from a shared Jane craze point of view...
I did recently watch the whole of the B&W 1940 movie with Greer Garson and Lawrence Olivier. My goodness, no wonder she looked a bit too old for the part of a twenty year old, for she was closing in on forty at the time! LOL. All the other sisters appeared about the same, overly aged for their parts. Anyways, I did not mind the movie so much as I thought I would, though as you mentioned, Galatea, the dress styles were wrong, yet still they were lovely and quite colorful (even in B&W they looked quite colorful!). The scene with Lady Catherine coming to call on Lizzie to protest the engagement is quite altered in that rendition, she being in cahoots with her nephew Darcy to see if Elizabeth's feelings have changed. Its seems a while now since I watched it...
I also found another BBC production of Pride and Prejudice that was done in association with the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company or Corporation) from 1980, and I have been slogging my way through that. At this point it really is a slog LOL. It is about five hours long and done in a different style again. Though the dress fashion seems right, the whole air of it is more stately, though the visuals are remarkably drab in contrast, which does seem consistent with the BBC production values for films of that era. I don't like this Darcy at all, and there seems to be no real emotional connection between him and Elizabeth. It is interesting to notice the differences in dialogue and perceive where one production matches one or the other more closely. The 1940 movie was probably farthest off the mark.
^^Darcy^^
^^Elizabeth, reading Darcy's letter in his own defense^^
^^The two of them walking together^^
^^The Bennets at the dining table, minus Lydia^^
Last weekend I watched the four hour Gone With The Wind from 1939
It had been decades since I last saw it...
I have watched a few modern movie/documentary takes on Jane's life, as well as a couple of rather silly modern offshoots from her life, one of which was quite entertaining, and the other not so much except perhaps from a shared Jane craze point of view... I did recently watch the whole of the B&W 1940 movie with Greer Garson and Lawrence Olivier. My goodness, no wonder she looked a bit too old for the part of a twenty year old, for she was closing in on forty at the time! LOL. All the other sisters appeared about the same, overly aged for their parts. Anyways, I did not mind the movie so much as I thought I would, though as you mentioned, Galatea, the dress styles were wrong, yet still they were lovely and quite colorful (even in B&W they looked quite colorful!). The scene with Lady Catherine coming to call on Lizzie to protest the engagement is quite altered in that rendition, she being in cahoots with her nephew Darcy to see if Elizabeth's feelings have changed. Its seems a while now since I watched it...
I also found another BBC production of Pride and Prejudice that was done in association with the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company or Corporation) from 1980, and I have been slogging my way through that. At this point it really is a slog LOL. It is about five hours long and done in a different style again. Though the dress fashion seems right, the whole air of it is more stately, though the visuals are remarkably drab in contrast, which does seem consistent with the BBC production values for films of that era. I don't like this Darcy at all, and there seems to be no real emotional connection between him and Elizabeth. It is interesting to notice the differences in dialogue and perceive where one production matches one or the other more closely. The 1940 movie was probably farthest off the mark.
^^Darcy^^
^^Elizabeth, reading Darcy's letter in his own defense^^
^^The two of them walking together^^
^^The Bennets at the dining table, minus Lydia^^
It had been decades since I last saw it...
Am I going Mad? It is May 1 here and I found this resurrected thread about the Christmas Carol which in itself seems odd
having just got over Easter.
But there are further weird elements in that Pride and Prejudice seems to have crept into the
discussion. Please confirm that I haven't fallen down a Rabbit Hole.
having just got over Easter.
But there are further weird elements in that Pride and Prejudice seems to have crept into the
discussion. Please confirm that I haven't fallen down a Rabbit Hole.
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Galatea, Tinuviel, and I took this thread down a different path than expected Our conversation and love of all things Austen has been carried on over a number of threads, but this is where a lot of our discussion on various books and movies from the pen of Jane have occurred, so rather than starting a new thread to carry on, I chose to bump this one (I am not much of one for starting threads at any rate ).
Our conversation and love of all things Austen has been carried on over a number of threads, but this is where a lot of our discussion on various books and movies from the pen of Jane have occurred, so rather than starting a new thread to carry on, I chose to bump this one (I am not much of one for starting threads at any rate ).