Interesting "Rapture" thoughts

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One man's observations on how people's thinking is influenced by "Rapture" teaching...... (from the book Raptureless.)

Judge Fruit
Jesus told us to judge the messages of various prophets by examining the fruit of their lives and the fruit of their prophetic words (see Matt. 7:15-20). So now that we see that this modern end-time teaching is a new phenomenon, we must also ask ourselves what fruit is coming from it.

Twelve Fruits That I Have Witnessed:
1. Love usually takes the back seat, while fear is emphasized. Sometimes the fear is covered over by a rapture escape or by divine protection from coming wrath.

2. All long-term thinking becomes limited. It becomes impossible to even prophesy beyond a few decades because of the supposed "any minute return" of Christ.

3. It creates a fear of technology because that new GPS, computer, smartphone, laptop, or whatever might be used as the "mark of the beast."

4. It harbors a fear of politics because the antichrist could be right around the corner.

5. It breeds an anti-culture view to the point of irrelevancy. Yet, even the apostle Paul was able to quote from the popular culture of his own day (see Acts 17:28).

6. It discourages people from pushing forward in health, medicine, the environment, or technology because they reason, "Why would one work for the good of a world that is going to burn?"

7. It has created a bizarre form of Christian racism. Many have become pro-Israel to the point that no political thought is exercised. For example, if Israel were to mistreat her surrounding nations, many modern Christians would give them a free-pass because they are God's "chosen people." Christians have literally accepted a new form of pro-Israel and anti-Arab racism. Also, it breeds a suspicion toward other countries, producing anti-Russian and anti-Chinese attitudes among many Christians. This Christian racism is rooted in a wrong understanding of the end-times.

8. Hope is narrowed down to a rapture escape.

9. This end-time view is the seedbed of many cults and militias.

10. Many have turned to extended hours of fasting and prayer, to quick evangelism, and to looking for the rapture or the "signs of the times," rather than studying and training for a lifetime of advancing the Kingdom.

11. This view doesn't take the time texts of Scripture seriously or literally (for example, Matt. 23:36; 24:34).

12. It has birthed many silly conspiracies; it fits perfectly with those who believe in the Illuminati, the NWO, and other secret society theories.
 

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It's going to be hard to dispel the myth with so many works of "Christian" movies and books propagating it.
 
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It's going to be hard to dispel the myth with so many works of "Christian" movies and books propagating it.
It doesn't have to be dispelled. It isn't going to make any difference in someone's salvation. But it really should be discouraged from being taught to new Christians who might actually believe it, and do as the inventors and propagators of the story hoped. And, that is to let Christianity die with their generation because they see no reason to continue it forward for the next ten, twenty generations, or more.
 

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I agree teaching the Rapture as an escape is wrong----we are to occupy until Christ comes--- I believe in supporting Israel---but to excuse any people for wrong is not Christian---I believe Christ could come back now---but also believe He will wait until the Church finishes gathering the harvest----then when the job is done I believe the Rapture will take place---you cannot find the Church in the Tribulation---the Church is not mentioned---we also see before the Tribulation starts in Revelation 4---the 24 elders---representing Israel and the Church are already clothed and crowned...
 

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I agree teaching the Rapture as an escape is wrong----we are to occupy until Christ comes--- I believe in supporting Israel---but to excuse any people for wrong is not Christian---I believe Christ could come back now---but also believe He will wait until the Church finishes gathering the harvest----then when the job is done I believe the Rapture will take place---you cannot find the Church in the Tribulation---the Church is not mentioned---we also see before the Tribulation starts in Revelation 4---the 24 elders---representing Israel and the Church are already clothed and crowned...
I don't see anything wrong with teaching the gathering of the church as an escape, because that is exactly what it is, among other reasons. What is going to follow after the church has been removed, will be the wrath of God carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgment. The wrath of God is different from the trials and tribulations that Jesus said we would have, which come at the hands of men and the powers of darkness. The wrath of God however, is exactly that, God's direct, unprecedented, wrath and that to punish those who will have continued to reject Christ and who continue living according to the sinful nature.

So yes, believers are escaping the coming wrath of God and rightly so and that because Jesus already experienced the wrath that we deserve as a result of our sins and thereby satisfying it. There are many who try to put the church her on the earth during the time of God's wrath, but that is because they do not understand the magnitude and severity of that wrath, with the end result being the majority of the population being decimated and all human government being dismantled.

God is the One who will make it possible for our escaping the most terrible time in the history of the earth, with the Lord as the One responsible for the fatalities and destruction that will take place.
 

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Right----The only escape I think is bad is when preachers teach it in such a way that God's people are not seeking to change society for the Lord----some say "leave it to the devil"---I like the 7 Mountain Teaching---invading society for the Lord----Arts & Entertainment Education Finance Military Government Church Family----------you are totally right---people have no idea what the Great Tribulation will be like----I feel it will be a mini-Hell...
 

Ahwatukee

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It's going to be hard to dispel the myth with so many works of "Christian" movies and books propagating it.
Greetings Tommy379,

How can you call the gathering of the church a myth when we can read it right in scripture. It is not derived from books or movies. Paul gave a detailed account of this event of the dead rising first, with the living being transformed into those immortal and glorified bodies, with the whole group being caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is a detailed account of Jesus promise made in John 14:1-3, when he said that he was going to the Father's house to prepare places for all believers. And that when it was time that, he would come back and get us and take us to the Father's house, that where He is, we may be also.

This is no myth, but is scripture, a promise of the Lord. Paul called it "the blessed hope" and said that we should comfort one another regarding our being gathered. Consequently, if the church was to go through the wrath of God first, then it would be no blessed hope, nor could believers comfort one another.

Regarding this event, it is important to understand the underlying reason for being removed from the earth prior God's wrath being poured out. Jesus already suffered the wrath that believers deserve and it has therefore been satisfied. To have the church go through God's wrath first and then gathered, is to not understand fully what Jesus did for us. It is also to not believe in the Lord's promise.

Jesus said that those who believe in him would have trials and tribulation. The problem with this is that, many do not differentiate between common trial and tribulation, which comes at the hands of men and the powers of darkness vs. the direct, unprecedented wrath of God, which has been prophesied by the OT prophets and the apostles and which will begin after the gathering of the church.




 
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Right----The only escape I think is bad is when preachers teach it in such a way that God's people are not seeking to change society for the Lord----some say "leave it to the devil"---I like the 7 Mountain Teaching---invading society for the Lord----Arts & Entertainment Education Finance Military Government Church Family----------you are totally right---people have no idea what the Great Tribulation will be like----I feel it will be a mini-Hell...
Didn't figure you for a Dominionism Dude. LOL