The Misunderstood

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p_rehbein

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To be sure, there were horrible deeds committed by Commanders and Soldiers on both sides! I pointed this out earlier. Neither side is without guilt or shame.

As to the Union victory, and the reunification of our Nation? In hindsight it looks good, given what America has accomplished. For me, the removal of "legalized slavery" was the greatest achievement, even though Political and Economical slavery exists yet! I suspect that the "trials" that America faced on the world stage were easier to face with a unified Nation for sure.

However, as we will never know what would have come to be had the South won, and two separate Nations been born, we can not truly judge which would have accomplished more.

What I find just a bit curious (given the current Political Climate) is that the Two State Solution is being tossed around these days because of the huge Political/Social divides among our Peoples. :)

Disclaimer: I lean heavily towards such a Solution. :)

Anyway........

Oh, as for Lee and Grant........my personal observation is:

Lee proved to be what Grant was not.......that is a Humanitarian who truly cared for the men under his Command. Rather than subject his Troops to needless slaughter, Lee "retired from the Field of Battle." Now, some Southern folks considered Lee a traitor for doing so.......but he did what he believed was best for his Troops and the South, and, BTW, the Nation.

Grant (in my opinion) would never do such a thing.........and that is why I do not see Grant as a "heroic" figure in our Nation's History. Just my opinion though...........grain of salt and such

:)



I'm ultimately happy the Union won for that reason (with a few differences here and there). A Confederate victory would have likely undermined Americas ability to take on the world's worst aggressor nations in the 20th and 21st century.

Sure, the Union victory didn't come without dangerous drawbacks that reverberate to this day, but I would say Americans have had it good and done plenty of good under the reconstituted and expanded Star Spangled Banner.
 

Desdichado

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My argument though and where I think we disagree is that the Union and Confederate armies were largely composed of similar men who would have acted similarly were the shoe on the other foot at the latter end of the war.

Grant's willingness to sacrifice soldiers via assaulting of fortified positions was precisely how Lee decided to comport himself during Gettysburg. His gambit was to overwhelm the Army of the Potomac and continue his campaign into the Union. Bringing the war to the North would then make Yankee capitulation and Confederate victory more likely.

Grant was faced with the same prospect in battle after battle and acted likewise. I wouldn't doubt for a second either that Lee or some other general would seek to wreck Northern infrastructure and ability to make war. We'd get similar stories as the March to the Sea, only that time in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts.
 
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This is a good place for this:

Some of you may have heard me say that I am a Davy Crockett enthusiast, and I am reading through what he wrote of an autobiography, which is convincing me more and more that no one really understands him. His words (paraphrase) upon the introduction of the book are "I do not know why people would be interested in the life of one so humble as myself, but I have undertaken to write it, and you can at least be assured of it being true."

Apparently, this modern republication isn't worth its salt because the back introductory panel on the book does its darnedest to discredit it; why? Because it is an amazing example of the American dream. A boy who is dirt poor, didn't know how to write his name until age 15, only went to school six months of his life, a husband, father, soldier, pioneer, hunter, farmer, runner for US Congress. I think it was too much for their modern minds to swallow :mad:
You just reminded me of William "Buffalo Bill" Cody, who was actually a friend of Davy Crockett. I learned about him when I took a history of photography class. He was a friend of the indians and and an explorer and knew the rocky mountains like no other american and he spoke fluently with the indians there. He also was the one who discovered Yellowstone park and was a pioneer in taking the camera out on expeditions. They had to develop their own photos on the fly too.

He joined the Pony express (first US mail service) and later became a runner for Congress and was tasked by the government with reclaiming peace with the indians. There's a lot more to his story, but I can't remember all of it.
 
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General Grant is so misunderstood in Alabama that he is mistaken for another general entirely!
And, he wasn't a general. He was a Yankee Arsonist!

(The pleasures of learning the Civil War in a Yankee state, a Rebel state, and a state that wasn't yet a state back during the war. lol)
 
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I want to learn more about that war, but due to some challenges when it comes to reading, I'm thinking of watching a series by Shelby Foote. Anyone seen that?
This one?
[video]http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/civil-war/[/video]

Good series! Good start!
 
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you know the Davy Crockett song with the line that goes, "killed him a bear when he was only three" ?

when my son was a little boy he heard it "killed in a bar".

sorry.... a mother's happy memory. :eek:
Crockett called it a bar too, but that was his accent.
 

blue_ladybug

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ME.. I'm misunderstood. Y'all think I'm a weirdo.. :( Especially WillieT.. lol
 

SCHISM

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ME.. I'm misunderstood. Y'all think I'm a weirdo.. :( Especially WillieT.. lol
Just yesterday, as I was hanging a rag of a T-shirt on a hanger in my closet, I asked myself, "Since they haven't finished my museum, how can I preserve this precious artifact?" So misunderstood
 

Laish

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ME.. I'm misunderstood. Y'all think I'm a weirdo.. :( Especially WillieT.. lol
Nothing wrong with weirdos. Weirdos make the world go round. Besides that I have a theory that God made weirdos so that normal people can feel good about themselves.
Blessings
Bill
 

Desdichado

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His mama call him Jehan Cauvin, I call him Jehan Cauvin. :p
 
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Tinuviel

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His mama call him Jehan Cauvin, I call him Jehan Cauvin. :p
I've run into at least three different spellings of the name...and for the record, it's not always a good thing to call someone by the name their mama calls 'em by. I would not want to go down in history with that handle. ;)
 

Desdichado

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It's a line from an old Eddie Murphy comedy.

I've run into at least three different spellings of the name...and for the record, it's not always a good thing to call someone by the name their mama calls 'em by. I would not want to go down in history with that handle. ;)