The Misunderstood

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Desdichado

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Who are some popular living figures or historical figures you consider misunderstood?

What side to them do you wish people knew more about? Do you think it is fair they are known for or associated with certain things?


Note these people can run the gambit- authors, celebrities, politicians, farmers, bankers, animal trainers, etc etc etc.
 

Desdichado

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Magenta has pointed out to me that I wrote "gambit" when I meant "gamut."

Unfortunately, there was no time to edit. You will all have to accept the fact I am fallible.

I know, I know. You thought I was perfect. This is how I'm often misunderstood.
 

Demi777

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Henry the 8th has many sides that were misunderstood or/and misinterpreted.
He never got prepared to be a king as his brother was supposed to do it and he, as the little boy, was barely included. Then when his brother died he married his brothers wife, Catherine of Aragon (catholic) and she would not get a living son, they all died. Due to his strong catholic thinking and reading the bible he thought he was acursed because he married his brothers wife.
Then he met Anne Bolyn (protestant) who promised him a son so much that they both terrorized Catherine to death in the end, as they locked her up alone with only a hand full of maidens and she was dying sick. Which i have no idea why, Anne Bolyn gets celebrated though shes the one who pushed Henry that his actual wife may slowly and horridly die with barely anyone, and she loved him.
In this time the Pope had the most power over everything and Henry pretty much told him to mind his own bushiness as hes the king and according to the bible with that (in his own mind), the head of the church in his country and can divorce and remarry who he wishes.
Well the Pope wasnt happy with that very much so he called in the french and they were all lie ''oh father ill do anything for you'' so the pope told em to invade England, and lost. Also in that time Henry tried to get a hold on Luther who called Henry names like ugly duck butt and things like that which was too much for Henry to handle. So though Henry sometime got excommunicated he got the title ''Defender of the faith'' for his interesting battle with Luther.


Well and after a while as Bolyn didnt bring a son, they just beheaded her with the best swordsmen, a french man, to do it.
Then He met Jane Semore (or how its written..) whom he madly loved and bore him a son and died in labour, then the Son (Edward) I think lived just a few short years and also died. With that he lost his wife and son and after that he started to change more and more.
And as his ex wife was again catholic, well the country was catholc again so the protestants got hunted again.
Then came the German woman Anne of Cleves which the potrait showed her as beautiful but when he saw her he was all fed up saying '' SHE LOOKS LIKE A HORSE! " and they couldnt understand one another.. she was protestant. But as he liked her, just couldnt have any relations with her, he declared her as his sister and with that she had a happy life.
Catherine Howard was the 5th.. She was a very young woman. Some say 19yrs old, some a lil older. Either way she was a little uhm.. well she was whoring around and in love with another man and ended up loosing her head for that too.
Then his last was Catherin Parr was the last and survived because Henry did with 55 and otherwise most likely she would have been beheaded.

King Henry was in a constant fight with himself. Doctrine, as he was catholic was deep in his brain and he was fighting the ''you damned your country to eternal death" part all the time. No matter who he tried, they ended up either abusing him and his position or died ( or like the german one, ended up as his sister and divorced from him). And after a while he started turning evil. The whole country kept switching from catholic to protestant back and forth. First one gets killed, then another. And that on a constant timeline from wife to wife.
Then Anne Bolyn gets celebrated as a good woman though she was the most destructive of them all and had many many lives on her hands.

Henry often gets portrayed as someone who just had 6 wives, never cared and was cold blooded. But in fact he was very very emotional and that is what in the end tore him apart. Emotions and the wish for a son, as it was never considered for a woman to take the place.
 
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Tinuviel

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Henry the 8th has many sides that were misunderstood or/and misinterpreted.
He never got prepared to be a king as his brother was supposed to do it and he, as the little boy, was barely included. Then when his brother died he married his brothers wife, Catherine of Aragon (catholic) and she would not get a living son, they all died. Due to his strong catholic thinking and reading the bible he thought he was acursed because he married his brothers wife.
Then he met Anne Bolyn (protestant) who promised him a son so much that they both terrorized Catherine to death in the end, as they locked her up alone with only a hand full of maidens and she was dying sick. Which i have no idea why, Anne Bolyn gets celebrated though shes the one who pushed Henry that his actual wife may slowly and horridly die with barely anyone, and she loved him.
In this time the Pope had the most power over everything and Henry pretty much told him to mind his own bushiness as hes the king and according to the bible with that (in his own mind), the head of the church in his country and can divorce and remarry who he wishes.
Well the Pope wasnt happy with that very much so he called in the french and they were all lie ''oh father ill do anything for you'' so the pope told em to invade England, and lost. Also in that time Henry tried to get a hold on Luther who called Henry names like ugly duck butt and things like that which was too much for Henry to handle. So though Henry sometime got excommunicated he got the title ''Defender of the faith'' for his interesting battle with Luther.


Well and after a while as Bolyn didnt bring a son, they just beheaded her with the best swordsmen, a french man, to do it.
Then He met Jane Semore (or how its written..) whom he madly loved and bore him a son and died in labour, then the Son (Edward) I think lived just a few short years and also died. With that he lost his wife and son and after that he started to change more and more.
And as his ex wife was again catholic, well the country was catholc again so the protestants got hunted again.
Then came the German woman Anne of Cleves which the potrait showed her as beautiful but when he saw her he was all fed up saying '' SHE LOOKS LIKE A HORSE! " and they couldnt understand one another.. she was protestant. But as he liked her, just couldnt have any relations with her, he declared her as his sister and with that she had a happy life.
Catherine Howard was the 5th.. She was a very young woman. Some say 19yrs old, some a lil older. Either way she was a little uhm.. well she was whoring around and in love with another man and ended up loosing her head for that too.
Then his last was Catherin Parr was the last and survived because Henry did with 55 and otherwise most likely she would have been beheaded.

King Henry was in a constant fight with himself. Doctrine, as he was catholic was deep in his brain and he was fighting the ''you damned your country to eternal death" part all the time. No matter who he tried, they ended up either abusing him and his position or died ( or like the german one, ended up as his sister and divorced from him). And after a while he started turning evil. The whole country kept switching from catholic to protestant back and forth. First one gets killed, then another. And that on a constant timeline from wife to wife.
Then Anne Bolyn gets celebrated as a good woman though she was the most destructive of them all and had many many lives on her hands.

Henry often gets portrayed as someone who just had 6 wives, never cared and was cold blooded. But in fact he was very very emotional and that is what in the end tore him apart. Emotions and the wish for a son, as it was never considered for a woman to take the place.
I thought you were going to start justifying the wives :p It was at that point that I would have put my foot down. Because, it is a known fact that he...Um!...had more than six women in his life; (which is the reason I find Mark Twain's The Prince and the Pauper to be so intriguing). I do agree that he was not careless and cold, though; I think he was both emotional and guilt-ridden.
 

mailmandan

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Ulysses S. Grant: The 18th President of the United States of America was faced by as many as 11 corruption charges which marred his standing. He is remembered today as a corrupt drunkard but historians have argued that the charges were inflated. Even if the corruption charges were genuine, Ulysses was a military genius prior to becoming president and in reality had no relationship with the bottle.
 
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Tinuviel

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This is a good place for this:

Some of you may have heard me say that I am a Davy Crockett enthusiast, and I am reading through what he wrote of an autobiography, which is convincing me more and more that no one really understands him. His words (paraphrase) upon the introduction of the book are "I do not know why people would be interested in the life of one so humble as myself, but I have undertaken to write it, and you can at least be assured of it being true."

Apparently, this modern republication isn't worth its salt because the back introductory panel on the book does its darnedest to discredit it; why? Because it is an amazing example of the American dream. A boy who is dirt poor, didn't know how to write his name until age 15, only went to school six months of his life, a husband, father, soldier, pioneer, hunter, farmer, runner for US Congress. I think it was too much for their modern minds to swallow :mad:
 

notmyown

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Ulysses S. Grant: The 18th President of the United States of America was faced by as many as 11 corruption charges which marred his standing. He is remembered today as a corrupt drunkard but historians have argued that the charges were inflated. Even if the corruption charges were genuine, Ulysses was a military genius prior to becoming president and in reality had no relationship with the bottle.
he's my cousins' great (great? really great!) uncle.

their mom was a Grant.

and now the word great looks weird.

 

notmyown

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wasn't Crockett killed in a bar when he was only three? ;)

i submit Gerald Ford. wasn't pardoning Nixon ultimately helpful?
 

p_rehbein

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Clearly you are not Suthern.............we STILL REMEMBER the fires burning along his march to the Coast.......the rampant looting of homes and businesses.....theft of livestock........

(just saying)



Ulysses S. Grant: The 18th President of the United States of America was faced by as many as 11 corruption charges which marred his standing. He is remembered today as a corrupt drunkard but historians have argued that the charges were inflated. Even if the corruption charges were genuine, Ulysses was a military genius prior to becoming president and in reality had no relationship with the bottle.
 

mcubed

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I think Erik Lensherr, aka, Magneto, is completely miss understood. He is a “Villon” only fighting for civil rights.
 

Desertsrose

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he's my cousins' great (great? really great!) uncle.

their mom was a Grant.

and now the word great looks weird.


Hey, notmyown, My dad has said that we're related to Ulysses S. Grant through my Nana's side of the family. Not sure how though. Big deal, right? :)

Maybe we're related?
 

Laish

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The Animals.;)
Blessings
Bill