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    I don't know why. My aunt did not explain. She just told me that a woman was playing God. She didn't want to reveal too much in case I ever decide to see or read it. Like I said, one day I might give it a try.
    You should definitely read the book... it's not a huge investment of time, unless you read VERY slowly. It's a good story, and you'd have to be pretty shaky in your beliefs to have it "bother" you, in my opinion.

    I saw it as a "wow... I never thought of it that way before.." kind of thing. Very interesting, and worth the time.
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    It seems the author of this book was inculcated with the same "Remote God" most of the rest of us were taught to expect. Here's a small excerpt from the book.
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    "In seminary he had been taught that God had completely stopped any overt communication with moderns, preferring to have them only listen to and follow sacred Scripture, properly interpreted, of course. God’s voice had been reduced to paper, and even that paper had to be moderated and deciphered by the proper authorities and intellects. It seemed that direct communication with God was something exclusively for the ancients and uncivilized, while educated Westerners’ access to God was mediated and controlled by the intelligentsia. Nobody wanted God in a box, just in a book. Especially an expensive one bound in leather with gilt edges, or was that guilt edges?"
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    A bit more after the main character begins considering seeing if God really is out there............

    "But in spite of his anger and depression, Mack knew that he needed some answers. He realized he was stuck, and Sunday prayers and hymns weren’t cutting it anymore, if they ever really had. Cloistered spirituality seemed to change nothing in the lives of the people he knew, except maybe Nan. But she was special. God might really love her. She wasn’t a screw-up like him. He was sick of God and God’s religion, sick of all the little religious social clubs that didn’t seem to make any real difference or affect any real changes. Yes, Mack wanted more, and he was about to get much more than he bargained for."
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    I wasn't going to bother watching the movie or reading the book. This thread made me rethink that and since taking a newborn to the movies seems like a bad idea, I decided to listen to it.

    I can agree that it isn't traditional. But I like it a lot. I can identify with Mack in a lot of ways and I also think that for people with similar situations to his, presenting God as genderless or even female isn't a bad idea. It challenges everything we are taught traditionally about God but it allows us to remove our human assumptions and see Him for who He is.

    He was sick of God and God’s religion, sick of all the little religious social clubs that didn’t seem to make any real difference or affect any real changes. Yes, Mack wanted more, and he was about to get much more than he bargained for
    I love this. I think most of us have had feelings exactly like this. A point where religion stopped being enough and we searched for God...not the idea of God that man had instilled in us.


    I'm really glad I bothered with listening to it. It's well worth it in my opinion.
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    Here's another small excerpt from the book. Mack and the members of the Trinity are eating supper together. This will uncover in some of you a desire to read the book (or see the movie), and for others, it may convince you that you never want to go anywhere near this book.
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    Conversation seemed almost normal. Mack was asked about each of the children, except Missy, and he talked about their various struggles and triumphs. When he spoke of his concerns for Kate, the three only nodded with concerned expressions, but offered him no counsel or wisdom. He also answered questions about his friends, and Sarayu seemed most interested in asking about Nan. Finally, Mack blurted out something that had been bothering him throughout the discussion.

    “Now here I am telling you about my kids and my friends and about Nan, but you already know everything that I am telling you, don’t you? You’re acting like it’s the first time you heard it.”

    Sarayu reached across the table and took his hand. “Mackenzie, remember our conversation earlier about limitation?”

    “Our conversation?” He glanced over at Papa who was nodding knowingly.

    “You can’t share with one and not share with us all,” Sarayu said and smiled. “Remember that choosing to stay on the ground is a choice to facilitate a relationship; to honor it. Mackenzie, you do this yourself. You don’t play a game or color a picture with a child to show your superiority. Rather, you choose to limit yourself so as to facilitate and honor that relationship. You will even lose a competition to accomplish love. It is not about winning and losing, but about love and respect.”

    “So when I am telling you about my children?”

    “We have limited ourselves out of respect for you. We are not bringing to mind, as it were, our knowledge of your children. As we are listening to you, it is as if this is the first time we have known about them, and we take great delight in seeing them through your eyes.”

    “I like that,” reflected Mack, sitting back in his chair.

    Sarayu squeezed his hand and seemed to sit back. “I do too! Relationships are never about power, and one way to avoid the will to power is to choose to limit oneself—to serve. Humans often do this—in touching the infirm and sick, in serving the ones whose minds have left to wander, in relating to the poor, in loving the very old and the very young, or even in caring for the other who has assumed a position of power over them.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    Here's another small excerpt from the book. Mack and the members of the Trinity are eating supper together. This will uncover in some of you a desire to read the book (or see the movie), and for others, it may convince you that you never want to go anywhere near this book.
    *****
    Conversation seemed almost normal. Mack was asked about each of the children, except Missy, and he talked about their various struggles and triumphs. When he spoke of his concerns for Kate, the three only nodded with concerned expressions, but offered him no counsel or wisdom. He also answered questions about his friends, and Sarayu seemed most interested in asking about Nan. Finally, Mack blurted out something that had been bothering him throughout the discussion.

    “Now here I am telling you about my kids and my friends and about Nan, but you already know everything that I am telling you, don’t you? You’re acting like it’s the first time you heard it.”

    Sarayu reached across the table and took his hand. “Mackenzie, remember our conversation earlier about limitation?”

    “Our conversation?” He glanced over at Papa who was nodding knowingly.

    “You can’t share with one and not share with us all,” Sarayu said and smiled. “Remember that choosing to stay on the ground is a choice to facilitate a relationship; to honor it. Mackenzie, you do this yourself. You don’t play a game or color a picture with a child to show your superiority. Rather, you choose to limit yourself so as to facilitate and honor that relationship. You will even lose a competition to accomplish love. It is not about winning and losing, but about love and respect.”

    “So when I am telling you about my children?”

    “We have limited ourselves out of respect for you. We are not bringing to mind, as it were, our knowledge of your children. As we are listening to you, it is as if this is the first time we have known about them, and we take great delight in seeing them through your eyes.”

    “I like that,” reflected Mack, sitting back in his chair.

    Sarayu squeezed his hand and seemed to sit back. “I do too! Relationships are never about power, and one way to avoid the will to power is to choose to limit oneself—to serve. Humans often do this—in touching the infirm and sick, in serving the ones whose minds have left to wander, in relating to the poor, in loving the very old and the very young, or even in caring for the other who has assumed a position of power over them.”
    This is terrible writing. Its good to know God can not only be feminised, but can also be made to seem like some fictitious character from a teen fantasy novel. Thats total crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born_Again View Post
    This is terrible writing. Its good to know God can not only be feminised, but can also be made to seem like some fictitious character from a teen fantasy novel. Thats total crap.
    Yeah, kind of like a talking donkey asking a man why he was beating him?
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    A bit more of the "blasphemy" some people are trying to keep you from reading..... (This is Jesus and Mack talking on a dock by a lake.... after he saw his deceased daughter playing.)
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    Mack was the first to break the silence.
    “Was I seeing Heaven when I was seeing Missy? It looked a lot like here.”

    “Well Mack, our final destiny is not the picture of Heaven that you have stuck in your head—you know, the image of pearly gates and streets of gold. Instead it’s a new cleansing of this universe, so it will indeed look a lot like here.”

    “Then what’s with the pearly gates and gold stuff?”

    “That stuff, my brother,” Jesus began, lying back on the dock and closing his eyes against the warmth and brightness of the day, “is a picture of me and the woman I’m in love with.”

    Mack looked at him to see if he was joking, but it was obvious he wasn’t.

    “It is a picture of my bride, the Church: individuals who together form a spiritual city with a living river flowing through the middle, and on both shores trees growing with fruit that will heal the hurt and sorrows of the nations. And this city is always open, and each gate into it is made of a single pearl...” He opened one eye and looked at Mack. “That would be me!” He saw Mack’s question and explained, “Pearls, Mack. The only precious stone made by pain, suffering and—finally—death.”

    “I get it. You are the way in, but—” Mack paused, searching for the right words. “You’re talking about the church as this woman you’re in love with; I’m pretty sure I haven’t met her.” He turned away slightly. “She’s not the place I go on Sundays,” Mack said more to himself, unsure if that was safe to say out loud.

    “Mack, that’s because you’re only seeing the institution, a man-made system. That’s not what I came to build. What I see are people and their lives, a living breathing community of all those who love me, not buildings and programs.”

    Mack was a bit taken back to hear Jesus talking about “church” this way, but then again, it didn’t really surprise him. It was a relief. “So how do I become part of that church?” he asked. “This woman you seem to be so gaga over.”

    “It’s simple, Mack. It’s all about relationships and simply sharing life. What we are doing right now—just doing this—and being open and available to others around us. My church is all about people and life is all about relationships. You can’t build it. It’s my job and I’m actually pretty good at it,” Jesus said with a chuckle.

    For Mack these words were like a breath of fresh air! Simple. Not a bunch of exhausting work and long list of demands, and not the sitting in endless meetings staring at the backs of people’s heads, people he really didn’t even know. Just sharing life. “But, wait—” Mack had a jumble of questions starting to surface. Maybe he had misunderstood. This seemed too simple! Again he caught himself. Perhaps it was because humans are so utterly lost and independent that we take what is simple and make it complex? So he thought twice about messing with what he was beginning to understand. To begin asking his jumbled mess of questions at this moment felt like throwing a dirt clod into a little pool of clear water.

    “Never mind,” was all he said.

    “Mack, you don’t need to have it all figured out. Just be with me.”
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    Got a pleasant surprise this morning. The link I posted to the Audio Book is back up.

    Thank you, Whoever returned it. (I don't particularly like the way the narrator reads it, but some people might.)
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    Hey Willie, Here is a good talk about the Shack and the theological aspect of it. I thought you might enjoy it as we both don't believe in the penal substitution doctrine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    Hey Willie, Here is a good talk about the Shack and the theological aspect of it. I thought you might enjoy it as we both don't believe in the penal substitution doctrine.

    That was great! Thank you. I see he is coming to my area at the end of the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    That was great! Thank you. I see he is coming to my area at the end of the year.
    You are welcome. He is definitely not everyone's cup of tea. Religious people can't stand him...lol and I can understand why. Years ago he was way worse.

    Just for kicks - here is on of the best discussions on penal substitution that I have heard. Give it a listen to when you have the time and let me know what you think.


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    Am not even half way through the video and this sounds like the way God got Donald Trump in as President. LOL Thanks for posting.

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    Am not even half way through the video and this sounds like the way God got Donald Trump in as President. LOL Thanks for posting.



    Just finished listening to this video while sitting here at the desk at work tonight. Very much enjoyed it as well as related to the ideas he shared about God. Wanted to thank you again for posting it. Made my night!
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    This book completely changed my thinking. I thought the film would be a let down as many book-to-screen products are, but it absolutely was not. I think it is fantastic and am very much looking forward to it coming to the UK this time next week. ;-)

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    I read the book back in 2008 or 2009.

    I just watched the movie the day before yesterday and thought it was really good.


    I especially liked the part where Mack tried to walk on water but couldn't. And The Lord said it works better if we both do it together...

    I don't even remember if that was in the book or not...

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    I watched the movie on Wednesday. I enjoyed it and was moved to tears a couple of times. I think the book was better, but I always prefer the book over it's movie.
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