"A white man's perspective"

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Honest question.

Does it serve reconciliation of the races when they are identified as?

African Americans

Hispanic Americans

Asian Americans

IF this is the proper/acceptable way to reconciliation between the races, then I insist I be referred to as:

German, Irish, Jewish, African, Native American American......... and not as "white."

Our Government goes to great lengths to divide all peoples according to their race.........and then wonders why race relations are such a problem........hmm.......
The government does not wonder why. They work very hard to ensure that it will be our accepted and normal way of life.
 

Sirk

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The government does not wonder why. They work very hard to ensure that it will be our accepted and normal way of life.
It's good for business and business is good.
 
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Honest question.

Does it serve reconciliation of the races when they are identified as?

African Americans

Hispanic Americans

Asian Americans

IF this is the proper/acceptable way to reconciliation between the races, then I insist I be referred to as:

German, Irish, Jewish, African, Native American American......... and not as "white."

Our Government goes to great lengths to divide all peoples according to their race.........and then wonders why race relations are such a problem........hmm.......
I would be danish, english, irish and born in nigeria though my parents are
danish and english.
 

Sirk

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Danish Norwegian and half German here. I don't identify any of those countries or their customs.
 
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this 'issue' is one of the most powerful heart-breakers of every society, all the way back
to the very beginning...(colors)!

the demonic forces that be have quite a handle on how to continually cause strife and dissent
among true brothers and sisters in Christ, no matter the cost, especially the cost of supposed
freedom...

there have always been those who serve and those who rule...the color is neutral through-out
the Bible...
 
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#46
A black man's perspective
[video=youtube;FszQelEQ2KY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FszQelEQ2KY[/video]
 
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A black man's perspective
Good, positive men like this are one of the few things that subdue my inclination toward prejudicial conclusions when looking at the Black community, as a whole.
 
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Susanna

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Cajun/Swedish/Finnish/Irish here, my grandma was Swedish, born to Finnish parents, so I do understand a little Swedish.
 
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'Red and Yellow, Black and White, they are precious in His sight'...
 
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Cajun/Swedish/Finnish/Irish here, my grandma was Swedish, born to Finnish parents, so I do understand a little Swedish.
You know -- I just pictured you eating lutefisk with way too much hot sauce, and, of course, potatoes on the side. lol
 
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Susanna

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You know -- I just pictured you eating lutefisk with way too much hot sauce, and, of course, potatoes on the side. lol
What is lutefisk???
 
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Susanna

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#52
I googled it. Looks dangerous lol.
 

RickyZ

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Lutefisk is a fine tradition... properly done of course!
 

p_rehbein

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Is a South Afrikan with white skin tone STILL an Afrikan American? One like Greg Norman, or, say, Gary Player? Do we address them as Afrikan Americans?


I would be danish, english, irish and born in nigeria though my parents are
danish and english.
 
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GaryA

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A black man's perspective
[video=youtube;FszQelEQ2KY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FszQelEQ2KY[/video]
A good video! :D

And, the point of post #24 - to go along with what the man in this video is saying - is -- that the black 'community'-and-'culture' - is the only thing that will ever truly make a difference in the way they are perceived as a group.

I agree with what the man is presenting - particularly where it concerns how it affects the lives of the individuals that it touches. A good father ( and mother, too ) are needed and required to properly raise a child to have the right kind of psychological, emotional, and spiritual stability-and-maturity that will help them successfully 'maneuver' the daily-dose-of-life that they will encounter.

However, the very last statement he makes is "self-defeating"; the very idea of depending - and waiting - on the government to make "the right move" with "the right attitude" and "the right priority" - so that "progress" may be had in the development of a "better" black 'community' ----- :eek: ----- this is no different than the things he illustrates in the video about how the government has created "many-means" of enticing people to trade their integrity and dignity for a form of dependence ( which is a form of slavery ) that drives individuals and whole communities into a "downward spiral" that ends up with all of the 'undesirable' things this fellow mentions in the video ( and more ).

The thing is, 'integrity' and 'dignity' are not created or provided by the government. And, 'respect' must be earned.

Please do not misunderstand what I just pointed out. There is obviously a certain amount of "respect" that must be given to every individual human being - just because they are a human being. This kind of "respect" is inextricably linked to dignity.

I am not talking about that kind of "respect" here; rather, I am talking about the kind that is necessary to build trust between - and the "believability" of the stated intentions of - people - or groups of people.

It is true enough, and factual enough, that the man is "blaming" the government. Indeed, the government is largely at fault. However, no part of the solution rests in / with the government! The only true solution rests within the black 'community' itself.

The black 'community' itself must "raise the bar" of its own 'culture'. No one else can do it for them.

As harsh as it may have sounded, post #24 was intended to be "a wake-up call" that encourages people to "make the difference for themselves, because no one else can or will"; it was not intended to insult or slander...

If any group of people desires 'respect' - as a group of people - from another group of people -- they must take on the responsibility themselves to "make the difference" through "change-from-within" the group.

This is essentially the statement of post #24.

:)
 

Fenner

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I'm Swedish and Sicilian. I have a lot of Aunts, Uncles and Cousins that live in Sweden. I am able to be a part of their lives through Facebook. My Aunt loves lutefisk. When I was growing up we had a lot of traditional Swedish food. I ate the meatballs and the sweet stuff. My Mother told me as a child growing up in Sweden she used to eat sweet breads. Later she found out that it was birds brains.

I don't know a lot about my Italian heritage because my Fathers family didn't talk much. Now there all dead and info is scarce. I do have My Grandfathers tomato sauce recipe and it's really good. I also remember that side of the family had a lot of drama and fighting and it was annoying.
 
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GaryA

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#59
I want to tell you a story. There are evil and good people everywhere and how they look
will never tell you how they are on the inside.


So in your story, you create a divide which will never exist, and once you polarise thinking, the
groups start to behave and become biased to follow the story.

A study was done on educational performance of miltary children in Germany on station, compared
to when they got home.

In Germany, the black children did the same as anyone else. In the US when they got home, the
standards dropped because of the environment they were in. It is a toxic culture, nothing to do
with colour, but with hatred and bitterness. And all sides have created it.


Until you start seeing individuals you are perpetuating a racist agenda.
Have you not read anything [ else ] that I have written????? :confused: :rolleyes:

I was using the story to make a point.

I just love it when people write a post full of stuff that I actually agree with and try to make it sound like I have actually said the opposite. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You need to understand that I am talking about -- individuals - and - groups -- 'separately' while also 'comparatively'.

If you haven't figured out by now that I do not have any prejudice against any individual for something ( like skin color ) that they themselves cannot change --- well, I guess you need new reading glasses...? :p ;)

I stated before that I was curious about other countries, as compared to the U.S.A.

As far as I can tell -- a black man [ who has grown up ] in Britian is just as "British" as anyone else in Britian -- talks the same, thinks the same, acts the same, etc. ( as far as I know - you tell me... )

What kind of "race relations" exist between white folks and black folks in Britain? ( as compared to the U.S.A. or other countries )

What seems to define and drive the things that 'make' those differences the most?

'culture'



It is a toxic culture, nothing to do with colour, but with hatred and bitterness. And all sides have created it.
It is true that "all sides" have contributed to it -- no 'group' is totally without guilt in this issue ---- but, if you think that the "majority factor" of what 'drives' and 'sustains' it -- is "white people created it and forced it ( and continue to force it ) on the poor helpless black people" -- you are so incredibly far from the truth...

It is very highly likely that - never in history have black people been in such a position to "excel" in "all that life has to offier"...

The only exception to this - "what is against them" - is twofold:

~ ( read post #22 )

~ Black people - as a group ( I am not talking about individuals here ) - seem to - would rather - spend all of their energy coming up with ways to "persuade" [ everyone else ] to 'support' them, their lives, and their culture - ( while trying to "cram their culture down everyone's throat" ) - than to simply "work hard to live free and get along" with everyone else in the country - like everyone else in the country. ( Of course, I am saying this with a specific and particular regard to the U.S.A. )

I am not saying that black people have never been mistreated. But then, so have Asian people, Hispanic people, Jewish people --- oh, and White people, too.

I am not saying that there is no "white" prejudice against black people in the U.S.A. However, most white people in the U.S.A. are ignorant of the truth of what I wrote in post #22. And, the knowledge that a "third party" is deliberately trying to keep [ the two groups ] "at each other's throats" ( as it were ) - for their own benefit - of making 'slaves' of both of the two groups -- should be enough to get a lot of people ( especially Christians ) to at least reconsider their view of / on "what is really going on here"...

Black people - as a group - are 'fighting" the wrong people - and, trying to "win" a 'battle' / 'war' that they can never win -- especially, if / since they don't really understand who their 'real' enemy is.

When black people ( or, any group of people ) "fight prejudice with prejudice", they are only ensuring detriment to themselves - and everyone else...



Again -- what is at the 'center' of the "issue" - is...

'culture'


How different is the culture of Britain as compared to that of the U.S.A.?

How different is the culture of Germany as compared to that of the U.S.A.?


How much do all people in Britain "adhere" to [ the same "historical" 'country'-based ] 'British' culture?

How much do all people in Germany "adhere" to [ the same "historical" 'country'-based ] 'German' culture?


How much do all people in the U.S.A. "adhere" to [ the same "historical" 'country'-based ] 'American' culture?


Hmmmmm...

Why is that?

:)
 
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Have you not read anything [ else ] that I have written????? :confused: :rolleyes:

I was using the story to make a point.

I just love it when people write a post full of stuff that I actually agree with and try to make it sound like I have actually said the opposite. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You need to understand that I am talking about -- individuals - and - groups -- 'separately' while also 'comparatively'.

If you haven't figured out by now that I do not have any prejudice against any individual for something ( like skin color ) that they themselves cannot change --- well, I guess you need new reading glasses...? :p ;)

I stated before that I was curious about other countries, as compared to the U.S.A.

As far as I can tell -- a black man [ who has grown up ] in Britian is just as "British" as anyone else in Britian -- talks the same, thinks the same, acts the same, etc. ( as far as I know - you tell me... )

What kind of "race relations" exist between white folks and black folks in Britain? ( as compared to the U.S.A. or other countries )

What seems to define and drive the things that 'make' those differences the most?

'culture'




It is true that "all sides" have contributed to it -- no 'group' is totally without guilt in this issue ---- but, if you think that the "majority factor" of what 'drives' and 'sustains' it -- is "white people created it and forced it ( and continue to force it ) on the poor helpless black people" -- you are so incredibly far from the truth...

It is very highly likely that - never in history have black people been in such a position to "excel" in "all that life has to offier"...

The only exception to this - "what is against them" - is twofold:

~ ( read post #22 )

~ Black people - as a group ( I am not talking about individuals here ) - seem to - would rather - spend all of their energy coming up with ways to "persuade" [ everyone else ] to 'support' them, their lives, and their culture - ( while trying to "cram their culture down everyone's throat" ) - than to simply "work hard to live free and get along" with everyone else in the country - like everyone else in the country. ( Of course, I am saying this with a specific and particular regard to the U.S.A. )

I am not saying that black people have never been mistreated. But then, so have Asian people, Hispanic people, Jewish people --- oh, and White people, too.

I am not saying that there is no "white" prejudice against black people in the U.S.A. However, most white people in the U.S.A. are ignorant of the truth of what I wrote in post #22. And, the knowledge that a "third party" is deliberately trying to keep [ the two groups ] "at each other's throats" ( as it were ) - for their own benefit - of making 'slaves' of both of the two groups -- should be enough to get a lot of people ( especially Christians ) to at least reconsider their view of / on "what is really going on here"...

Black people - as a group - are 'fighting" the wrong people - and, trying to "win" a 'battle' / 'war' that they can never win -- especially, if / since they don't really understand who their 'real' enemy is.

When black people ( or, any group of people ) "fight prejudice with prejudice", they are only ensuring detriment to themselves - and everyone else...



Again -- what is at the 'center' of the "issue" - is...

'culture'


How different is the culture of Britain as compared to that of the U.S.A.?

How different is the culture of Germany as compared to that of the U.S.A.?


How much do all people in Britain "adhere" to [ the same "historical" 'country'-based ] 'British' culture?

How much do all people in Germany "adhere" to [ the same "historical" 'country'-based ] 'German' culture?


How much do all people in the U.S.A. "adhere" to [ the same "historical" 'country'-based ] 'American' culture?


Hmmmmm...

Why is that?

:)
You have to do the usual..... Follow the money. Racism exists because it benefits certain people with powers of cultural influence, monetarily, to perpetuate it.