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    I tend to be someone who searches for movies based on subject matter I'm interested in, regardless of whether it was a well-known movie or not. In fact, I often find more thought-provoking material in the movies no one knows hears about.

    Here's another one I found a few years ago:



    Now, if anyone sees this film, I'll tell you the honest truth. This movie is terrible. The acting is terrible, the premise is terrible (they make no attempt at all to be scientifically accurate), and the "special effects" are all terrible.

    But, it was one of the most thought-provoking movies I've ever seen.

    In it, 3 young people are cloned to their exact form--so their clones are the same age as they are, with all of the memories and knowledge of the humans they were cloned after (the movie never even tries to explain how this was accomplished.)

    So, each one of these 3 young people has a clone--resulting in 6 people, for those who are willing to call the clones actual people.

    Two of the original humans are a romantic couple--I can't remember the names... so I'll call them Tara and Alex.

    Alex is crazy about Tara, but she's been away at college, and he doesn't know this, but she's has been seeing another guy. Alex has small-town dreams but Tara wants a big career and resents Alex for not having higher ambitions. She doesn't tell him she's found someone else she feels has more potential.

    However, Tara's clone knows the truth and tells Alex that Tara is seeing someone and plans to leave him. Tara's clone, however, is attracted to Alex, accepts him as he is, and tells him that she loves him.

    The kicker of the movie is that the story's ultimatum requires that only one of each human/clone is allowed to live--one must be killed off, leaving the other to carry on the life of the original human, whether human or not. Alex is then put in a situation where he's in a crucial situation that will decide who lives--Tara, or her clone.

    Remember, he is crazy in love with the original Tara. But the real Tara is cheating on him and wants someone else. Cloned Tara might not have all pure motivations, but she has all the same good looks and tells Alex that she loves him back and wants to be with him. The real Tara is cold and puts him down at every turn; Tara's clone is loving and affectionate to him.

    Perhaps not surprisingly, Alex chooses the clone who loves him over the real girl who has broken his heart, which I thought was a stunning ethical question.

    If we all think of someone important in our lives has mistreated, abused, or rejected us--a parent, a sibling, spouse--and we had a chance to have someone in our lives who just might be 98% like the original person, but was kind to us, loved us, and wanted to be part of our lives... Whom would we choose?

    If a parent could have a version of their child who was drug-free, obedient, and a loving, affectionate part of the family... Would they choose the "better" version--the clone--or their original child who is strung-out, rebellious, and hateful?

    What would we all choose if we actually were allowed to make that choice? I know none of us can really say unless we were in the situation. The good Christian thing would be for all of us to say, "We'd choose the original person, of course!!!" But we can't really say unless we actually face it.

    I'm going to be brutally honest. Back in the day, if I had a choice between my real husband and the way he treated/left me vs. a clone of him who loved me, was faithful, and would have chosen me over a girlfriend, etc...

    I would have chosen the clone, hands down, despite all the fallout.

    P.S. Just saw Siberian's post. I have not seen Self/Less. To save time, I often cheat and only read as many synopses as I can find, as well as watch a few clips. I certainly don't watch every movie that comes out, by any means, and am interested in relative few. I go in phases. The last movie I saw in the theater was Mad Max. I'm going through my disinterested phase right now. But some of the films I do see really make a lasting impression!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siberian_Khatru View Post
    Where do you find the free time to watch all of these?
    1. I don't have a boyfriend. When I DO have free time, I get to spend it any way I want. Sometimes, in between writing drudgingly long emails to my friends , I occasionally watch a movie.

    2. I've watched a lot of movies about these types of subjects over the years. "Parts: The Clonus Horror" is also very good, but I saw that back when I was in college. Genetics interests me so I gravitate towards these types of movies instead of horror, comedy (I just don't find today's comedies very funny), and, the dreaded chick flicks. If someone gives me a choice of movies and it's between a twisted tale of DNA and an unrealistic romance, guess which one I'm going to choose.

    So... the movies I've posted about in this thread are all ones I've watched over a time span of, say, 7 years? And NOT all last week, silly goose.
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    *SPOILER ALERT* DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU INTEND TO WATCH THE MOVIE, AS IT CONTAINS MAJOR SPOILERS.

    I couldn't sleep last night, so I wound up watching this movie:





    In the film, a scientist clones a human baby girl and names her Elizabeth. Though this picture implies that she is gestated in a test tube, she is actually carried and birthed through a normal human mother. The intention of the doctor's research is to make stronger, more resilient genes that can hopefully be used to cure many modern ailments, such as Alzheimer's.

    One of the doctors involved in the research leaks word to the press, and, as can be imagined, people begin forming strong opinions. Most are against it, but some, such as a woman with a terminal brain disease, see it as a sign of hope.

    A group of religious protestors gather outside the doctor's home, continuously shouting jeers and imprisoning him, his wife, and two young daughters. The movie takes great care to show both sides of the story, as there is a very detrimental (and deadly) side to the doctor's research as well, seeing as one of his previous tries at cloning eventually wreaks havoc on the entire family.

    Interestingly, some of the mantras the (surely righteous) Bible-wielding crowd repeatedly screams to the family are, "SHE HAS NO SOUL!!!" and, "DR. FRANKENSTEIN, GO TO JAIL, GO TO HELL!!!"

    And in the end, a protestor, probably believing he's "doing the will of God", shoots and kills the doctor, leaving his wife a widow and his daughters without a father.

    It makes me wonder... which of these people were actually the ones who had a soul...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tanakh View Post
    The nearest thing to Human Clones we have are identical Twins, Triplets ect. I am certain they have souls. The basic material for a clone is living tissue I assume that a Human being would have a soul in the same way that someone born naturally would have one.
    Clones are NOTHING like identical twins


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sully View Post
    A twist!

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    I was thinking zombies have no soul, but this will work, too!
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    Love these movie recommendations. I've always been a Sci-Fi buff, and I love thinking about the future possibilities with science. It seems as though all sci-fi these days is pretty much apocalyptic. Ad nauseum! Nice to see something a bit different! I did watch "The Island" recently in a re-run!

    On the other hand, how much of this apocalyptic interest has some roots in the Bible, and fiction productions like Left Behind? Or, perhaps it is just people who get caught up in the doom and gloom scenarios, without the hope of Jesus Christ returning and a new heaven and a new earth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seoulsearch View Post
    There was also a recent movie, Self/Less, with Ryan Reynolds, in which an older man tries to transfer himself into a younger person. Would one soul be "kicked out", and replaced by the second?
    I saw that movie! I would like to see it again Just to totally jog my memory

    The answer to your question is... I can't tell you, without spoiling the movie
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    soul or no soul i treat all humans the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by G00WZ View Post
    soul or no soul i treat all humans the same
    A no-soul human could not exist


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    I don't believe that cloned humans have souls.....how can they? Man "creates" a human clone, so only God can create a human with a soul and give it the breath of life.

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    If the human clone was actually alive then it would probably have a soul. It would just be a child conceived by non-conventional means. This is already happening today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prov910 View Post
    Would a human clone have a soul?

    Dolly the sheep made the news over 20 years ago. I think it is very likely that humans have been cloned by now. Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not some sort of conspiracy nut. I just think that human cloning would be such an incredibly lucrative--albeit unethical--activity that some gov't or well heeled private organization somewhere has secretly been working on this. Granted, humans are *much* more difficult to clone than, say, sheep or cats or mice. But two decades is a long time to solve even the most difficult of problems. So I'm guess that somewhere in an out-of-the-way laboratory, there is a living human clone. Does he or she have a soul?
    The origin of cloning is not the fear of the Lord. So ie no wisdom involved. Only the devils playground. Jeremiah is told we are chosen before the womb. One nephesh for each of us to inhabit a temple (the body). A clone would be great for an unclean spirit though. A disembodied spirit. A demon (demon in greek is intelligens - a sentient being). So an army of clones...hmm. A host from hell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seoulsearch View Post
    *SPOILER ALERT* DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU INTEND TO WATCH THE MOVIE, AS IT CONTAINS MAJOR SPOILERS.

    I couldn't sleep last night, so I wound up watching this movie:





    In the film, a scientist clones a human baby girl and names her Elizabeth. Though this picture implies that she is gestated in a test tube, she is actually carried and birthed through a normal human mother. The intention of the doctor's research is to make stronger, more resilient genes that can hopefully be used to cure many modern ailments, such as Alzheimer's.

    One of the doctors involved in the research leaks word to the press, and, as can be imagined, people begin forming strong opinions. Most are against it, but some, such as a woman with a terminal brain disease, see it as a sign of hope.

    A group of religious protestors gather outside the doctor's home, continuously shouting jeers and imprisoning him, his wife, and two young daughters. The movie takes great care to show both sides of the story, as there is a very detrimental (and deadly) side to the doctor's research as well, seeing as one of his previous tries at cloning eventually wreaks havoc on the entire family.

    Interestingly, some of the mantras the (surely righteous) Bible-wielding crowd repeatedly screams to the family are, "SHE HAS NO SOUL!!!" and, "DR. FRANKENSTEIN, GO TO JAIL, GO TO HELL!!!"

    And in the end, a protestor, probably believing he's "doing the will of God", shoots and kills the doctor, leaving his wife a widow and his daughters without a father.

    It makes me wonder... which of these people were actually the ones who had a soul...

    I have seen tons of movies like that. And they always portray christians as crazy robots. Its a trick as old as satan himself. Its always the same. Personally ..I think "they" are way ahead. Serch deep about the origins of cloning and be amazed. Im not trying to look knowledgeable but I researched this for a long time. And all such topics is draining and dark. Only with the lamp of Jesus it is possible. Its truly discusting behind the faqade. Of course some want us to be used and numb to the ideas. And playin on "love" and emotions does the trick. Dont you think.



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    Human clones are only a Shells. God doesn't judge clones because they don't have souls & clones cannot enter the kingdom. Clones can retain information but it is man made & not of Gods creation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shepherdsgirl View Post
    I don't believe that cloned humans have souls.....how can they? Man "creates" a human clone, so only God can create a human with a soul and give it the breath of life.
    Adam and Eve were created, you were born. Bit of a difference there. Scripture says that man IS a living soul, not that we HAVE a soul. Everything with the breath of life is soulish. Including animals, for we have the same breath of life and are made of the same elements Of course this is something that people disagree over, especially when the topic of animals in the new kingdom is brought up. Some people reject the idea and pooh pooh it, but Scripture does mention animals in the restored universe so...
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