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    There's a lot of controversy over the new Beauty and the Beast, but what I wish surprised me is that most people are concerned about a few scenes containing homosexuality, but not about the whole movie which portrays and romanticizes a relationship that is at best abusive and at worst Stockholm Syndrome (Yes, Belle chooses to stay, but I don't know anyone who would say a parent who trades places with an abducted child under the condition the child goes free wasn't kidnapped).


    I know the answer will differ depending on the person, but why are people not at least equally concerned about the movie glorifying abusive relationships as they're concerned with it featuring homosexuality?

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    https://youtu.be/k_QP9tT7L7Y

    I love beauty and the beast and will see the movie with the seat the people who aren't going allowed me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TemporaryCircumstances View Post
    https://youtu.be/k_QP9tT7L7Y

    I love beauty and the beast and will see the movie with the seat the people who aren't going allowed me.
    You're welcome to your view, but I just wanted to point out that the video presents an incredibly simplistic and flawed view of abuse and Stockholm Syndrome. Fighting back doesn't make abuse not abuse, and Stockholm Syndrome often arises by someone pretending or trying to sympathize with their captor and then actually doing so because their mind recognizes it's necessary for survival. Just like a battered wife may think she retains her independence but tries to make the best of a bad situation, when in reality she's making excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROSSELLA View Post
    You're welcome to your view, but I just wanted to point out that the video presents an incredibly simplistic and flawed view of abuse and Stockholm Syndrome. Fighting back doesn't make abuse not abuse, and Stockholm Syndrome often arises by someone pretending or trying to sympathize with their captor and then actually doing so because their mind recognizes it's necessary for survival. Just like a battered wife may think she retains her independence but tries to make the best of a bad situation, when in reality she's making excuses.
    And your also welcome to your point of view. We both are
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROSSELLA View Post
    There's a lot of controversy over the new Beauty and the Beast, but what I wish surprised me is that most people are concerned about a few scenes containing homosexuality, but not about the whole movie which portrays and romanticizes a relationship that is at best abusive and at worst Stockholm Syndrome (Yes, Belle chooses to stay, but I don't know anyone who would say a parent who trades places with an abducted child under the condition the child goes free wasn't kidnapped).


    I know the answer will differ depending on the person, but why are people not at least equally concerned about the movie glorifying abusive relationships as they're concerned with it featuring homosexuality?

    The actual story of Beauty and the Beast is an old,old story.Please look it up.It has nothing to do with an abusive relationship.That being said,marketing homosexuality as acceptable to young children,thats a problem. And Christians ought to stand up against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    The actual story of Beauty and the Beast is an old,old story.Please look it up.It has nothing to do with an abusive relationship.That being said,marketing homosexuality as acceptable to young children,thats a problem. And Christians ought to stand up against it.

    I am seeing it with the knowledge that homosexuality is wrong. But, if you know it's wrong I don't see the harm in seeing a movie :P
    Seeing the movie does not mean you support homosexuality.
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    We have freedom in Christ. That's certain. If someone wants to see the movie I think it's fine.

    My wife and I will NOT see it though. I believe it is indoctrination. Getting the public, especially children, more and more comfortable with the idea that homosexuality is just fine and dandy.

    The young lady talking about Stockholm syndrome might not be far enough removed from the indoctrinating mush of political correctness that colleges are brainwashing our children and young adults with.

    That IS NOT intended as an insult, although it likely will be taken as such.

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    If something takes down the wall of judgement on a particular sect of people, then it allows God to be at their door. If people can feel that it is ok to be open about their sexuality, then they are less likely to be taken in by the wolves. It is the love that isn't there, that draws people towards the wrong people who 'gladly accept them' and pull them into far deeper sin.

    We are supposed to love all people, and not the sin. There is good in everyone, I believe that. You cannot hate or judge people based on their sin, because you are not bringing God present in doing so. And especially the idea of homosexuality, which tends to become a 'label'.

    It is strange that people say some things, and yet they don't know what books they have read, or which movies they have seen that have been created by a closet homosexual. Often when homosexuals abstain from sexual sin, they are capable of creating some beautiful things, and of being beautiful people. As are all of us.

    Maybe the sandwich you bought and ate from the supermarket or the cafe was put together by the hands of someone who was homosexual. How does that make you feel?

    People are people, and they ALL deserve a chance. They all deserve to be loved, rather than judged by anyone.

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    Disney may have began with a more conservative persona, but over the years it seems to have taken on a rather secular progressive one.

    I haven't seen the movie. Are these themes more prominent in the live action remake than in the animated film?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TemporaryCircumstances View Post
    I am seeing it with the knowledge that homosexuality is wrong. But, if you know it's wrong I don't see the harm in seeing a movie :P
    Seeing the movie does not mean you support homosexuality.
    Actually Im more worried about children and under aged seeing it.
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    Disney may have began with a more conservative persona, but over the years it seems to have taken on a rather secular progressive one.

    I haven't seen the movie. Are these themes more prominent in the live action remake than in the animated film?

    The director of the movie is gay and has said there are "gay" moments in it. The animated movie had no such thing in it
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    The director of the movie is gay and has said there are "gay" moments in it. The animated movie had no such thing in it
    One of the three muskeeters was gay. The beast looked gay with all the make up before he was cursed. Homosexuality was all over. Ewan Mcgregor and other male casts looked gay. Sorry for the spoilers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siberian_Khatru View Post
    Disney may have began with a more conservative persona, but over the years it seems to have taken on a rather secular progressive one.

    I haven't seen the movie. Are these themes more prominent in the live action remake than in the animated film?
    Haven't seen it yet, but this clip is extremely worrisome. Apparently it's not enough for the Beast to hold Belle hostage. His furniture is expected to deprive her of every comfort and, if Belle doesn't pretend to be happy she doesn't deserve food.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YIw0LCw8Nfk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell725 View Post
    One of the three muskeeters was gay. The beast looked gay with all the make up before he was cursed. Homosexuality was all over. Ewan Mcgregor and other male casts looked gay. Sorry for the spoilers.
    I dont intend on supporting the movie.Many are boycotting it.I hope Disney takes notice.
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    I find it annoying when people say "oh Disney is just showing LeFou for who he has always been, it's obvious in the original that he's in love with Gaston." Nope, I never once saw that. I've seen the original many times and Lefou never gave off a gay vibe. In fact, it looks like he had a thing for the Bimbettes.

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    I think that it's just going to be something that we have to get used to unfortunately. I really don't see the homosexuality thing going out the window any time soon.

    Like if a movie has an abortion, will we not watch it? What about murder or adultery? What about magic? Most Disney movies have magic. It's a very thin line and we don't want to completely shut out ourselves from the world, but we also need to use discernment. It's a personal thing. I don't think we should judge people for wanting to go see it or those that don't want to. To each their own.
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    I won't go to the movie. Actually my family has started to pull ourselves away from anything rated R (not saying Beauty and the Beast is Rated R it is PG). I monitor closely if this is something God would want me to watch. I also think of the time people spend watching TV and going to movies vs the time we spend with the Lord.

    That being said, I'm not condemning anyone for going to this movie or rated R movies. This is just a decision my family has made so we can spend more time with God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mj007 View Post
    If something takes down the wall of judgement on a particular sect of people, then it allows God to be at their door. If people can feel that it is ok to be open about their sexuality, then they are less likely to be taken in by the wolves. It is the love that isn't there, that draws people towards the wrong people who 'gladly accept them' and pull them into far deeper sin.

    We are supposed to love all people, and not the sin. There is good in everyone, I believe that. You cannot hate or judge people based on their sin, because you are not bringing God present in doing so. And especially the idea of homosexuality, which tends to become a 'label'.

    It is strange that people say some things, and yet they don't know what books they have read, or which movies they have seen that have been created by a closet homosexual. Often when homosexuals abstain from sexual sin, they are capable of creating some beautiful things, and of being beautiful people. As are all of us.

    Maybe the sandwich you bought and ate from the supermarket or the cafe was put together by the hands of someone who was homosexual. How does that make you feel?

    People are people, and they ALL deserve a chance. They all deserve to be loved, rather than judged by anyone.


    Quote"If something takes down the wall of judgement on a particular sect of people"...

    " You cannot hate or judge people based on their sin"

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    They all deserve to be loved, rather than judged by anyone."

    So none of the comments you made above has a thing to do with the movie.And I get real tired of people yelling about judgment and hatred when you say you dont agree with the homosexual lifestyle. Homosexuality has already been judged,not by me,but by God. Its wrong,period. Marriage between a man and a woman is sacred and the family is the foundation of society and Gods plan. Marketing a childs movie to make this seem acceptable is wrong.

    What bothers me about the "love the sinner not the sin" motto is that it has become a licence for Christians to be PC and get around preaching the truth of the Gospel. It takes away our culpability and keeps others from calling us homophobes and bigots. The message of the Gospel convicts,all of us. And Christians have watered down the message so much that people are now turning to the false religion of Islam. Where the church lets down something will take its place. Our motto should be "lets share the truth with people because we love them and want to see them saved." Christians have taken the easy,lazy way out. We have made the Gospel powerless,just so others wont call us names. Homosexuality is sin and it is bondage and if we really loved them we'd tell them the truth. Yep, I threw a bomb and expect lots of nasty comments for it.Im getting use to that from other Christians more so than non-Christians.That tells me something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PennEd View Post

    The young lady talking about Stockholm syndrome might not be far enough removed from the indoctrinating mush of political correctness that colleges are brainwashing our children and young adults with.

    That IS NOT intended as an insult, although it likely will be taken as such.
    Insulted, no. Confused about how abhoring romanticizing Stockholm Syndrome is about political correctness, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROSSELLA View Post
    Haven't seen it yet, but this clip is extremely worrisome. Apparently it's not enough for the Beast to hold Belle hostage. His furniture is expected to deprive her of every comfort and, if Belle doesn't pretend to be happy she doesn't deserve food.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YIw0LCw8Nfk
    This is pretty darn close to how the 1991 version plays out. What did you think of the cartoon (if you saw it)?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    I dont intend on supporting the movie.Many are boycotting it.I hope Disney takes notice.
    I don't think Bob Iger's values align all that much with traditional Christian and/or conservative ones, nor did the last CEO's. This just seems to be the direction Disney is being taken in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siberian_Khatru View Post
    This is pretty darn close to how the 1991 version plays out. What did you think of the cartoon (if you saw it)?

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    Wow, it's been ages since I saw it! Someone made a comment about LeFou and I didn't even remember who he was! I think I liked it as a kid, but then I didn't know much about psychology or abusive relationships. Now, I'd never show it to a child because of the problematic messages it sends. Yes, it's good to love our enemies, and if someone repents, we should forgive them. But children should never be taught that if someone locks you in a dungeon, flies into random rages, and refuses to let you leave, you should marry him if you think he's changing. Loads of women stay with abusive men because they claim the men are changing. Worse, it seems to suggest abusive men just need a good woman in their lives to change. That normalizes abuse, is simply not true in most if not all cases, and puts the burden on abused women, suggesting, 'Well, you must not be trying hard enough to change him.' I would never suggest a kidnap victim marry his/her kidnapper. It's just not healthy,
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