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    Default I went to church last week and discovered something unexpected

    My aunts and uncle think that grandma might not have much longer to live. So, when she asked me to come to her church I decided to go for her.

    I don't normally go to church because I believed all organized "houses of God" disregard an important teaching of Jesus, but I went to give some happiness to grandma.

    After the beginning songs, the preacher took to the podium and opened with prayer. During this prayer, I asked our Father to put in the mouth of the preacher a specific teaching of Jesus that I believed he could not mention, and I asked that he would speak the words three times.

    The preacher was a unique character. I think he took his glasses off at least 20 times in one hour. There was also a rehearsed phrase, when he said, "And All God's People Said?..." The church would say in unison, "Amen," which means to agree to his previous statement.

    Sure enough, the preacher spoke those words I prayed for three times during his sermon. Each time was subtle and offhanded, and the idea was interjected with another idea. Although he caused everyone to say, "Amen," to agree to the teaching of Jesus, it isn't something that any of them were about to immediately do.

    Three times, everyone in that church agreed that they should sell All that they have to give to the poor. It is a teaching of Jesus that would revolutionize the world if put into practice by all Christians simultaneously, but it isn't one which we hear of a lot of people doing.

    I don't deny that the preacher is a good man, nor the fact that he has opened his heart and mind to relay messages from the Father to the congregation.

    I am but a human, so I cannot perceive all of God's plan. My initial thought was that the church was practicing the use of vain words, agreeing to sell All they have to give to the poor but not doing so.

    However, I perceive that it could be a future promise. Perhaps it isn't the time in God's plan to call this promise into action, but the Father is Saving it for the future. (pun intended, but I'm consistently told I'm not funny, so we'll see how that goes)

    What are your thoughts on the topics mentioned?
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    Default Re: I went to church last week and discovered something unexpected

    Just one question: have you sold all you have and given it to the poor?

    After I receive an answer, I will further engage in the discussion.
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    Default Re: I went to church last week and discovered something unexpected

    My thoughts are that it is pretty obvious that you have not sold your computer..... or else you could not be typing on it this morning. And you have had a whole week to do that.

    BTW, Jesus never taught that.
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    Default Re: I went to church last week and discovered something unexpected

    If I gave all I had to the poor then I would be poor.
    what then?

    Not only that I wouldn't be a very responsible husband and father of 4.
    i wouldn't be able to provide for them.
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    Default Re: I went to church last week and discovered something unexpected

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    BTW, Jesus never taught that.
    We have a winner!!!!

    Jesus gave a specific instruction to a specific individual at a specific time for a specific purpose. That doesn't mean that same instruction was intended for all persons, all the time.

    Don't get me wrong, Jesus spent plenty of time teaching against greed (which was the "rich young ruler's problem) but he never once taught that possession in and of itself was wrong.
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    If only people looked at the text within its context.
    just as you have done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    If only people looked at the text within its context.
    just as you have done.
    Yeah, but that means people would actually have to do some reading... and understanding... instead of just waving one verse around on a banner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHISM View Post
    My aunts and uncle think that grandma might not have much longer to live. So, when she asked me to come to her church I decided to go for her.

    I don't normally go to church because I believed all organized "houses of God" disregard an important teaching of Jesus, but I went to give some happiness to grandma.

    After the beginning songs, the preacher took to the podium and opened with prayer. During this prayer, I asked our Father to put in the mouth of the preacher a specific teaching of Jesus that I believed he could not mention, and I asked that he would speak the words three times.

    The preacher was a unique character. I think he took his glasses off at least 20 times in one hour. There was also a rehearsed phrase, when he said, "And All God's People Said?..." The church would say in unison, "Amen," which means to agree to his previous statement.

    Sure enough, the preacher spoke those words I prayed for three times during his sermon. Each time was subtle and offhanded, and the idea was interjected with another idea. Although he caused everyone to say, "Amen," to agree to the teaching of Jesus, it isn't something that any of them were about to immediately do.

    Three times, everyone in that church agreed that they should sell All that they have to give to the poor. It is a teaching of Jesus that would revolutionize the world if put into practice by all Christians simultaneously, but it isn't one which we hear of a lot of people doing.

    I don't deny that the preacher is a good man, nor the fact that he has opened his heart and mind to relay messages from the Father to the congregation.

    I am but a human, so I cannot perceive all of God's plan. My initial thought was that the church was practicing the use of vain words, agreeing to sell All they have to give to the poor but not doing so.

    However, I perceive that it could be a future promise. Perhaps it isn't the time in God's plan to call this promise into action, but the Father is Saving it for the future. (pun intended, but I'm consistently told I'm not funny, so we'll see how that goes)

    What are your thoughts on the topics mentioned?
    Sorry can I just ask you the following.

    You don't go to church because you believe all organized houses of God disregard an important teaching of Christ which is "Go sell all you have and give it to the poor"
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillG View Post
    Sorry can I just ask you the following.

    You don't go to church because you believe all organized houses of God disregard an important teaching of Christ which is "Go sell all you have and give it to the poor"
    Yeah, they do stretch sometimes to find things to post. LOL
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    Yes, context is crucial.... Jesus also told a man to go on his way, and tell no one who Jesus was, or what he did (after healing him)

    I suppose, using the OP's logic, none of us should tell anyone about Jesus, or how he's healed and forgiven us...

    Silliness...

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    Amen

    If Jesus was here and I could learn at His feet I would see all I have and go follow
    Him. But what happens when you give up all that you are and follow Him you
    still have a place to sleep, a place to work and a place to eat.

    And when you have a family you provide for them.
    And the things you have are a gift from God so share with others as best you can.

    So in a real sense giving up all we have is a spiritual calling of not being attached
    to possessions as statements of who we are, but rather live as servants of the King.
    I share "Jesus Christ and him crucified" 1 cor 2:2
    "He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 cor 15:57

    The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you

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    Default Re: I went to church last week and discovered something unexpected

    When I first came to the Lord, and read this scripture, I wondered for a long time if he was going to ask this of me, but he never did, then I came to the realization that it was specifically for that one man and not for everyone in general.

    I shared a post titled "I really needed to read this message", it is in the miscellanous section of the forums, it might be of benefit to you. Many blessings...........
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    http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/141127-who-does-god-say-i-am-christ.html#post2773202

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    I believe that the whole episode with the rich young ruler is to demonstrate a point, that we are all sinners. The young man had kept the law- and he was telling the truth, Jesus did not rebuke him. He tries to get the young man to the right point when he calls Jesus "good" and Jesus tells him that no man is good, only God is good. Jesus tells him to sell all his goods to the poor, because He is trying to get the young man to realize that he is a sinner. Although he is a righteous man and has kept the law, he loves money and has made it his idol. Instead of the young man telling Jesus "I can't do this thing you ask me, I am not good and need to be changed", he goes away sorrowfully.

    I think the point of the encounter was for the young man to see his sin. Jesus tried to expose the man's sin to himself. Jesus says it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to go to Heaven. The disciples ask how this can be, and Jesus says with men it is impossible, but with God all things are possible. I really believe it had nothing at all to do with WORKS.

    Just read John 6:28-29 "Then said they unto Him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"

    Pretty good question, and one people still ask today.

    "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent."
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    Default Re: I went to church last week and discovered something unexpected

    when we receive the Heart of Christ, we become open to all that
    the Holy Spirit asks of us, over time...the real tests will sometimes
    tear our hearts in two, in order for us to see who we really are
    and how much we can grow and learn in our sacrifices for Christ
    and for others, this is a great refining process in our
    journey of love for Him...

    the momentous decisions that we are required to make throughout our
    'walk-of-Faith', they can make a difference for our whole lives, whether
    right or wrong...listening-obeying-gleaning-discerning, count-the-cost -
    are we willing to sacrifice and obey?

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    Default Re: I went to church last week and discovered something unexpected

    I have not sold all of my belongings to give to the poor, although it has been on my mind many times. I too have children and a responsibility to them.

    The idea of sharing this was meant to show how we may have preconceptions which are wrong.

    I went into the church thinking that all churches must be apostate, having abandoned Jesus´ instruction to sell all you have and to spread the gospel on foot with minimal provisions.

    I begin to realize that it may not be God's will to call this promise to action at this time. The God of the living is clearly working through many good pastors, and when there is an agreement that the spirit calls upon the church to sell everything then it will be done, but not according to mine own understanding or timeframe.

    In a specific instances to specific persons, Jesus did call upon this action many times in the gospels, and some became fishers of men. Perhaps it still works on an individual basis, and perhaps it is being saved until an appointed time.

    Again, I meant to shed light upon the error of preconception. For those claiming such an act was never taught or demanded, I would refer you to Acts chapter 5.
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