Should I stay or should I go?

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I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that our pastor is leaving our church. The denomination has assigned a new pastor to the church, and the pastor is female.

I had a feeling that would happen as this particular denomination seems to have an abundance of female pastors. I'm generally okay with this denomination EXCEPT for female pastors. I just don't find it to be biblical. FYI, our current pastor is male.

NOTE: I am NOT trying to start a new thread on the biblical authority of female pastors -- my mind is firm on this point and no one will change it.

But my real question is: can I stay at this church as the director of music when I feel so strongly about this issue? I would never attend a church with a female pastor, but can I WORK for a church with a female pastor? I really don't think so -- music is my ministry and I don't think I can partner with a pastor who I believe is in an unbiblical position.

It makes me very sad because I love my position and I really love the people in the congregation, but I have my convictions. I am stalwart.

What do you think?

I would stay a while.

First, I would give the woman pastor a chance. Don't look for a reason, cause if it's wrong, the Lord will show you.

Secondly, you would want to know you did everything you could before leaving.....No "what ifs" on the back burner.

Thirdly, it would look better on your church resume if it shows you didn't run off every time something happens.:)
 
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And again, because you alone are always right?

Trying to hide sanctimonious under "open-mindedness" is like trying to squeeze Foghorn Leghorn into Tweety Bird's cage. It's not working for you or anybody else.
So, your suggestion is to hang onto the desired position, despite being in defiance of the new pastor's authority? No, if she knows she will continue to resist this woman, then she should move on to where they share her interpretation and view of Scripture. You seem to be saying she should stay and eventually undermine the pastor's authority since she will never accept it.
 
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So, your suggestion is to hang onto the desired position, despite being in defiance of the new pastor's authority? No, if she knows she will continue to resist this woman, then she should move on to where they share her interpretation and view of Scripture. You seem to be saying she should stay and eventually undermine the pastor's authority since she will never accept it.
Only because you were so busy defending yourself, you didn't take the time to see what I suggested.
 

Pemican

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Santuzza, I think you answered your own question, you just hate leaving. It's time to move on to a church that respects the teaching of scripture as you do. Ask God to guide you to such a church and start looking.
 
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I would stay a while.

First, I would give the woman pastor a chance. Don't look for a reason, cause if it's wrong, the Lord will show you.

Secondly, you would want to know you did everything you could before leaving.....No "what ifs" on the back burner.

Thirdly, it would look better on your church resume if it shows you didn't run off every time something happens.:)
I forgot the most important thing to do.....:eek:

The main thing is to pray & seek God's will in the matter. It shouldn't be your choice, but His.:)
 
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So, your suggestion is to hang onto the desired position, despite being in defiance of the new pastor's authority? No, if she knows she will continue to resist this woman, then she should move on to where they share her interpretation and view of Scripture. You seem to be saying she should stay and eventually undermine the pastor's authority since she will never accept it.
No, willy, God's will should be first, not ours.
 
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Really? "But she's female" is nonsense? And yet, you wouldn't stay in a church that's too reserved for you. And, apparently you do judge between genders because "I have seen so very many women who make a lot of male preachers sound like total doddering fools in the pulpit."

So, you're saying you, of course, have just the right attitude, but Santuzza does not?

How's that work again?
It works because I didn't come to a forum full of strangers with 90 different opinions, and ask them to tell me if I should stay or go. But she did.
 
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It works because I didn't come to a forum full of strangers with 90 different opinions, and ask them to tell me if I should stay or go. But she did.
Yeah, having the right attitude, & still the wrong answer.
 
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It's a matter of spiritual authority, not musical authority. I'm not a pastor. I'm a musician. I leave the spiritual/pastor elements of the church to the pastor. I direct the music. Perhaps you don't recognize a difference, but I do. And although I have input into the worship service each Sunday, the final authority rests with the pastor -- he can override any decision I make.
I'm gonna tell you a secret: what you are feeling is the Holy Spirit instructing your very steps you take. I am the same way, I can not and will not attend a church where a woman is pastor. Some say that's sexist and that's perfectly fine they can think what they want, but God did not create women to be the spiritual head of people, but he did create men to do so. A woman can teach a message to the congregation or head up the women's ministry, but she has to be under a man. Just continue to pray and allow God to make this decision for you and for him to help you distinguish his path for you and your own desires to follow your path
 
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I'm gonna tell you a secret: what you are feeling is the Holy Spirit instructing your very steps you take. I am the same way, I can not and will not attend a church where a woman is pastor. Some say that's sexist and that's perfectly fine they can think what they want, but God did not create women to be the spiritual head of people, but he did create men to do so. A woman can teach a message to the congregation or head up the women's ministry, but she has to be under a man. Just continue to pray and allow God to make this decision for you and for him to help you distinguish his path for you and your own desires to follow your path
In reality, she probably is under the authority of the governing body of the Denomination that sent her there. (Now you have to address the issue of whether or not having a Denominational ruling body is Scriptural or not.)

When you get down to it, if you have chosen to accept a Denominational group as the ruling and governing body of the congregation you associate with, both you AND the pastor have put yourselves under their authority.
 
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I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that our pastor is leaving our church. The denomination has assigned a new pastor to the church, and the pastor is female.

I had a feeling that would happen as this particular denomination seems to have an abundance of female pastors. I'm generally okay with this denomination EXCEPT for female pastors. I just don't find it to be biblical. FYI, our current pastor is male.

NOTE: I am NOT trying to start a new thread on the biblical authority of female pastors -- my mind is firm on this point and no one will change it.

But my real question is: can I stay at this church as the director of music when I feel so strongly about this issue? I would never attend a church with a female pastor, but can I WORK for a church with a female pastor? I really don't think so -- music is my ministry and I don't think I can partner with a pastor who I believe is in an unbiblical position.

It makes me very sad because I love my position and I really love the people in the congregation, but I have my convictions. I am stalwart.

What do you think?
I've seen some good pastors and I've seen some bad pastors. I'd rather have a good woman pastor than a bad man pastor.
 
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I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that our pastor is leaving our church. The denomination has assigned a new pastor to the church, and the pastor is female.

I had a feeling that would happen as this particular denomination seems to have an abundance of female pastors. I'm generally okay with this denomination EXCEPT for female pastors. I just don't find it to be biblical. FYI, our current pastor is male.

NOTE: I am NOT trying to start a new thread on the biblical authority of female pastors -- my mind is firm on this point and no one will change it.

But my real question is: can I stay at this church as the director of music when I feel so strongly about this issue? I would never attend a church with a female pastor, but can I WORK for a church with a female pastor? I really don't think so -- music is my ministry and I don't think I can partner with a pastor who I believe is in an unbiblical position.

It makes me very sad because I love my position and I really love the people in the congregation, but I have my convictions. I am stalwart.

What do you think?
The denomination has assigned a new pastor to your group. That alone ought to have you packing your bags. Does your group need someone other than those who are in your group to assist, to help, to lead the group?
The denomination has assigned a new pastor to your group! Well, they didn't ask you. Where's the spirit of Christ in their decision making?
I'd leave. But don't tell the denomination leaders in Anywhere USA why you are leaving.
 
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The denomination has assigned a new pastor to your group. That alone ought to have you packing your bags. Does your group need someone other than those who are in your group to assist, to help, to lead the group?
The denomination has assigned a new pastor to your group! Well, they didn't ask you. Where's the spirit of Christ in their decision making?
I'd leave. But don't tell the denomination leaders in Anywhere USA why you are leaving.
Some churches raise their leaders from among themselves. Others require their pastors to have special training and have bishops assign their pastors. I guess some people prefer one method and some prefer the other. It might have something to do with the church you grew up in.
 

santuzza

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Santuzza, I think you answered your own question, you just hate leaving. It's time to move on to a church that respects the teaching of scripture as you do. Ask God to guide you to such a church and start looking.
Yeah, I think you're right. The problem is, I live in a very small town and there are really NO other church options here. I don't want to become a pariah in the town and I don't want to offend those in my church. I've made some friends there, and I want them to understand that it's nothing personal with them, I just can't follow their denomination's understanding of Scripture.

In leaving this church, my hubby and I will probably try to start our own home fellowship because, like I said, no other options here in town, and I don't want to travel to the next town over on a regular basis. And that is scary, too!
 

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I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that our pastor is leaving our church. The denomination has assigned a new pastor to the church, and the pastor is female.

I had a feeling that would happen as this particular denomination seems to have an abundance of female pastors. I'm generally okay with this denomination EXCEPT for female pastors. I just don't find it to be biblical. FYI, our current pastor is male.

NOTE: I am NOT trying to start a new thread on the biblical authority of female pastors -- my mind is firm on this point and no one will change it.

But my real question is: can I stay at this church as the director of music when I feel so strongly about this issue? I would never attend a church with a female pastor, but can I WORK for a church with a female pastor? I really don't think so -- music is my ministry and I don't think I can partner with a pastor who I believe is in an unbiblical position.

It makes me very sad because I love my position and I really love the people in the congregation, but I have my convictions. I am stalwart.

What do you think?
*** (praying) why not ask the Lord--- you might be surprised...