I get it now,you guys aren't really that bad.

At first I thought that you guy's are pushing your beliefs on everyone and proclaiming that "this is how it is because I say so" but it's not that at all!

Just like on a basketball forum they might talk about past games or a car forum they might talk about car issues of the past or a bodybuilding forum they might talk about the first bodybuilders.

You guy's talk about the Bible and Christianity just to do it ...because you enjoy it,you guy's/gals are just chewing the Biblical fat!

I really gotta apologize to most of you,maybe I take it too seriously,I'll stop jumping on your threads and insulting you guy's/gals,well you know I'll try.

I thought that you guy's/gals think the way that I do which I guess is way too serious.

That's pretty much how it is my friend, it's a community of both believers and non believers that just like to chat and discuss things i mean pushing our beliefs on people is pointless. I mean have you ever seen a person who pushes their beliefs on say conspiracy or say politics ever be successful on convincing the person their pushing it on?

not to mention I am generally not a serious person if i could relate to anyone it would be spongebob i have that happy go lucky kind of heart I go with the flow of life I see life through a childs eyes and i simply naturally follow my heart. some people have a difficult showing what's in their hearts even online but I just naturally do it. but i also can be serious as well

OK, but don't let it happen again... dude man yo

? huh?

Well some here are very I don't know I guess traditional in their beliefs where they were saying that people absolutely have to have the Bible memorized,fear God,and live as a failure everyday for all of there lives and participate in rituals or they aren't Christian and I took offense then I see everyone eith scripture in their signatures so I thought that you guys are all like that,after getting some responses to some threads I realize that you aren't.

Ah.. sadly those kind of Christians are very common both online and in real life. The world see Christians as judgmental hypocritical hell preaching lying bible thumpers and if i am being honest I can't say their wrong. I have encountered so many so called Christians that look down on people who preach far more about hell and about how so many people are corrupt and living in sin and so many have such high standards that others have to meet or else they are going to hell when they themselves don't live up to those standards.

It infuriates me that so many call themselves Christians yet don't live it, Christians are called love to not hate and love does not condemn others love does not slap a person with a bible and call them sinners love does not condemn to hell and does not preach fear into the hearts of others. Many have forgotten what it means to be a Christians and so it's no surprise this is what you were expecting when you came here

Well to be honest I am kind of like that just without the necessary fear of God,expecting to fail,and rituals.

I just think that if a person consciously chooses to not fail everyday they can do it ,they just have to incorporate it into their routine if they just look in the mirror every single morning and say "I'm not going to do these certain things" they wont so consequently they won't fail.

If a person does that successfully which everyone can do then there's no need to fear God.

And I'm just not into rituals so that's not a tough one for me.

The difference between me and those people is significant in that my belief isn't dependent on God forgiving everything,I make mistakes all of the time I just don't expect God to unconditionally forgive me just so I can go to Heaven,I accept it if I don't,I think that that is the main difference.

Mankind is totally depraved since Adam sinned. Adam and Eve had only one choice to make, and made the wrong choice. But God, in His wonderful wisdom and love, provided through Jesus a way to heal the breach. But men today think they will of their own volition make the correct choice. Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden, and talked with Him. And they still made the wrong choice. Yet we think we will be different or better. Methinks we think too highly of ourselves. Read Ephesians 2: 8-10.

8 For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We see in these verses that God has saved us and even the faith is not of ourselves. And the good things we do God has before ordained that we should do them.

We read in John 1:12-13

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

We see in these verses that we are not one of God's by ancestry (blood) as the Jews believed, nor of the will of the flesh (which is carnal) nor of the will of man (our freewill) but of God!

So in all humility and fearful gratefulness we are so thankful to God for saving us!

I agree with much of what you said. I mean, I like the attitude here-

I agree with the mentality, but not the conclusion : p We can go a while without sin, but from my experience, we end up falling down at some point. And we did it voluntarily, it wasnt forced against our will or any of that. We let ourselves forget the consequences for that moment to do what we wanted.

But, I agree with you, this is the right mentality to have. Telling yourself, "Im not gonna do it". I do that too : p I just dont believe that I do perfect, nor that I am righteous, and I know that Im not worthy : p Thats why I rely on Christ for my salvation. He is my redeemer, I havent done anything to redeem myself : p

And I believe He forgives you, and I believe that when we do wrong we should absolutely repent of what we did again. But I agree with you on one thing, it is dangerous to believe you can just sin and God will just forgive you every time. I remember being that way once : p We should not take His gift for granted. We have been told to live a life worthy of our calling, and I try to do that everyday.

Ok I may have made a mistake in my description or typing what I meant was I am kinda like them in that I firm in my belief where we differ is on unconditional forgiveness,and I think that is the basis for their belief,I guess that I can be called a "hard liner" in that respect.

Blain some of them never knew what it means to be born again.

I found it interesting to read the sermons of John Wesley before and after his Aldergate experience when He felt the Holy Spirit for the first time in his heart. It was after he preached about the grace of God being free. Before he was a works based salvation preacher. Even denying communion to a young lady he had a crush on because she married another man while doing missionary work in America (he was chased out of town for that)

Anyway, it just showed me that God can work in the lives of people many different ways. Many claim to be Christian, maybe even be preachers but have never been born again.

When it happens you see a difference in how they treat others and what they preach.

It's amazing.