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    To the OP...this is actually very comforting. If everything was not under God control and in his plans, nothing could be because if something was not in his plans that means he couldn't control it which means it could wreck everything else he had planned...which means He couldn't make prophecies, which is clearly not true because he DOES give prophecies...ones that come true!
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    Proverbs ;6; 1-19;This is about idleness, lazy people that won't work
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    Ty Gabriel I don't know if the analogy that was placed on my heart has to do with this scripture here but it is interesting to learn that the ant is spoken of in the bible
    My life's testimony seems to have helped many people so I am going to put it here http://christianchat.com/testimonies...-new-post.html

    When the hearts of God and a child of his make that special intimate connection a wondrous power is born and a flame ignites that can never be put out

    Jesus knew more than anyone of us-Love hurts

    A fired up Christian shouldn't be that big a deal. Our love should be an overpowering burning desire to serve and be in His presence

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    And Proverbs 30:25 mentions ants too.

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    It just reminded me of how we can learn from ants which I remembered being in Proverbs.

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    Yes, for his lovely Children KJVJeremiah29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord,thoughts of peace, and not of evil,to give you an expected end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galatea View Post
    This is not my original thought, but this analogy helped me a lot when my sister died suddenly. Life is like a tapestry, and we only see the back of it. The knots and threads look a mess- it is not pretty. But God sees the front of it and it is a beautiful design. I think some things we'll never know the reason "why" this side of eternity. Some things we'll have to wait and learn when we get home. I know that in Heaven, I'll know why she had to go home sooner than anyone ever expected.

    I hope this helps and does not sound trite.
    My mother and grandmother were professional-quality needlepointers. Unlike my needlework, the back of what they worked on looked like the front. (I'm the one with the messy back. lol)

    So, how about expanding the analogy? We are in a tapestry, but the tapestry is titled "The Entire Story of the Universe." We're a stitch somewhere in the middle of huge tapestry, and we're stuck seeing only as far as we can see from our tiny vantage point. Not only don't we know what happened on May 19, 2017 in Romeoville, IL on Third St., we don't know what anyone else in our own house ate last. All that, and God knows where every single sparrow is, what they're doing, and how he is taking care of them. We're just a stitch, but if you've ever seen a tapestry with a missing stitch, it's noticeable. Each stitch has purpose. Only the needleworker sees the whole thing and all the purposes.

    But this Needleworker gave us a promise. (Romans 8:28, which you already referenced. lol)
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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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    I must be different. I think it is very dangerous to blame God.
    Matthew 4:17) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

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    There are billions of people in the world that blame Him for their circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imfinallyfree View Post
    There are billions of people in the world that blame Him for their circumstances.
    2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
    2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.

    That is one of the charcteristics of many people in the last days,is that they are blasphemers.

    Blasphemy is attributing something to God that is evil,when He is good.

    God rains on the just and the unjust,and even the wicked prosper in this world with billions of dollars,and serious offences of a sexual nature,and cheating,lying,and stealing,but yet there is no punishment on many of them,and they flourish,and prosper,satifying their soul to the full,with lavish living,and material goods aplenty,,and eating the finest of foods,travelling abroad,here and there,and do not even care about God,but they have no problems in their life,and life is grand for them,and neglect the poor and needy,which God said this generation will devour the poor from off the earth,and the needy from among men,and people want to say,God is punishing me,does not care about me,is responsible for my circumstances.

    It is not based in reality,for if severely greedy people that neglect the poor and needy have no punishment,then why would God be punishing people of a lesser degree,and the love of money is the root of all evil,for it neglects the poor and needy,the way that God wants the world to run,which is in love.

    But the problems of this world is only temporary,and does not hinder a person from crying out to God,which is what really matters.

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    It is not contradictory to say God is SOVEREIGN over all things, but at the same time God does not directly CAUSE all things.

    God, being all powerful and all knowing, knows of all things, and has power to change all things.
    And yet, in his sovereign will, he allows many bad things to happen in the world... for reasons we, the created being, need not understand.

    * Has God ever allowed something bad to happen to you, and you didn't understand why God would allow it, and then later it effected some good purpose?
    * Of course.
    * Why is it hard to believe God has more purposes that you don't understand?
    * Why is it hard to believe God has filled the entire world full of purposes you don't understand?
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    The steps of His people are ordered by the Lord KJVPsalm36:23-25 23.The steps of good man are ordered by the Lord: and he delighteth in his way. 24.Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the Lord upholdeth him with his hand. 25.I have been young, and now am old;yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seeds begging bread.
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    No, but God wants us to be secure in him because we are the body of Christ, we need to trust more in faith, and live and abide in Him, and not so much in our circumstances.. Even before,during, and after those dark times God's glory will shine through in the end... its not the circumstance.. its you and your faith / trust and living out believing in what He says... some people crumble under the face of adversity instead of trusting in God fully and completely surrendered, and they will rarely or never see any fruit because they are so engaged with what the enemy is doing, that they missed the point...God will use both negative and positive situations for his own glory, it doesn't have to be part of the plan...And as a child of God you can always pray and ask for what you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imfinallyfree View Post
    Even the really bad stuff that happens to you,does anyone else feel this way?
    I'm not sure; this is a question I always come back to and never fully settle. I believe everything happens because God allows it to. But it's clear that we have free will. And it's clear that God doesn't approve of sin. So, if everything happens because God planned it that way, then does that mean He planned for sin to happen? But God doesn't sin; He doesn't tempt us.

    The closest I've come to an answer is that God has an overall plan. Maybe not every single moment of every single day (like maybe He didn't plan that someone would choose a salad instead of a corn dog), but big events. God knows what's going to happen and what people are going to do, and He allows people to make their own choices. Sometimes He works around the bad stuff or uses it for good even if He didn't plan it to happen, or maybe He did plan for it because in a broken world He sometimes works in a way that is less than perfect. Our choices and those of others may delay the end goal, but we can't derail God's plan. For example, how many times do Christians realize that if they had only stopped struggling against what God was doing in their lives they'd have grown a lot faster? They still grow, but because they fight God it takes longer. It's God's plan for them to grow, but if they fight Him it might take longer.

    I'm not sure this answer is correct, but so far that's the best I've got.
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    Yeah I noticed that, its kinda disturbing how He does that,I'm leaning towards maybe they aren't prophetic,it's just that they haven't happened to us yet,like we are in a different time line.

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