Heard an interesting quote the other day

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RickyZ

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"We have become a nation that sees shared responsibility as socialism and selfishness as rugged individualism."
 
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"We have become a nation that sees shared responsibility as socialism and selfishness as rugged individualism."
Oh, good....... Please share the responsibility of my upcoming knee replacement operation by sending at least two thousand dollars. (I know you don't want to be selfish.)
 

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Ok, here's an example of the change we've seen recently in that attitude:

All thru my career we blended insurance rates so that our retirees could afford health insurance at the same cost that we active employees paid. In other words, for 35 years I 'shared the responsibility' by subsidizing the insurance costs for our retirees. But this new generation? They took a bribe to throw us retirees under the bus by voting to end the blending of rates. Retiree insurance premiums doubled from $1400 a month to $2800 a month - forcing many retirees to now be uninsured. So, having paid my dues for 35 years to help others, I've now taken it in the shorts by those 'selfless rugged individuals' who now want to throw the whole of society under that same bus. So don't give me lip about sharing the responsibility for your new knee, because I spent 35 years doing just that only to be betrayed by today's 'rugged individuals'.
 
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Ok, here's an example of the change we've seen recently in that attitude:

All thru my career we blended insurance rates so that our retirees could afford health insurance at the same cost that we active employees paid. In other words, for 35 years I 'shared the responsibility' by subsidizing the insurance costs for our retirees. But this new generation? They took a bribe to throw us retirees under the bus by voting to end the blending of rates. Retiree insurance premiums doubled from $1400 a month to $2800 a month - forcing many retirees to now be uninsured. So, having paid my dues for 35 years to help others, I've now taken it in the shorts by those 'selfless rugged individuals' who now want to throw the whole of society under that same bus. So don't give me lip about sharing the responsibility for your new knee, because I spent 35 years doing just that only to be betrayed by today's 'rugged individuals'.
And I am handling the cost on my own (as I should) because I took the responsibility to have my own private insurance since the first day I began working.

No, you have one of the staunch rugged individualists here. I pay my own way. And I can still help out others. But, I will never accept having to support those who are not willing to help themselves all they can.

BTW, you are nuts to be paying even the lower number for insurance. It is unnecessary.
 

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Health insurance is unnecessary?
 

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And I kinda think Jesus went more for the "one for all and all for one" model than the "me me me" model. Too bad even Christians have abandoned Christian moralities.
 
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lots of us know what it's like to be thrown under the bus, it's a real big club -
these days...this is where 'the just shall live by Faith' comes-in, plus 'forgiveness',
there is just no other way...
 

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And I kinda think Jesus went more for the "one for all and all for one" model than the "me me me" model. Too bad even Christians have abandoned Christian moralities.
How can you cast a blanket statement over Christians for something bad that happened at a secular business? Just because the "selfish" younger people at your work don't want to continue subsidizing the old folks insurance, doesn't mean that Christians have given up on helping others.

But, your company should have had a grandfather clause of some type, even perhaps prorated by your years of service, to help those of you that have paid in for many years.
 
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"We have become a nation that sees shared responsibility as socialism and selfishness as rugged individualism."
Actually, I see do-nothing-but-take-rich-people's-money as socialism. That's the problem. We're perfectly capable of doing nothing without needing someone else's money to do it. I really wish people would help, instead of pretending government does help.

Every time government "helps" us, we get less and it costs more.
 
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Ok, here's an example of the change we've seen recently in that attitude:

All thru my career we blended insurance rates so that our retirees could afford health insurance at the same cost that we active employees paid. In other words, for 35 years I 'shared the responsibility' by subsidizing the insurance costs for our retirees. But this new generation? They took a bribe to throw us retirees under the bus by voting to end the blending of rates. Retiree insurance premiums doubled from $1400 a month to $2800 a month - forcing many retirees to now be uninsured. So, having paid my dues for 35 years to help others, I've now taken it in the shorts by those 'selfless rugged individuals' who now want to throw the whole of society under that same bus. So don't give me lip about sharing the responsibility for your new knee, because I spent 35 years doing just that only to be betrayed by today's 'rugged individuals'.
Guess what. The double-the-cost-but-half-the-benefits problem was government regulation. 35 years ago, we went to our doctor and he charged us $17 a visit. In that $17, he paid Candy to be the receptionist and file keeper. 5 years later, in the same office, he had six women taking care of the files and insurance billing. Government regulations.

The doctor left town to go to another part of the country that didn't require insurance to pay the bills. 20 years later, he retired because then it became national agenda.

This was never what the younger generation will do. Let's face it, the younger generation is forced into paying SSI, so they really can't stop doing what they have to do. And yet, STILL half-the-services-for-twice-the-cost. That's government! That's socialism! Ain't no one helping the poor or elderly but Christians and a few hoping for the eternal-vacation-package if they tithe to their favorite charities.

Oh, btw. Hubby is retired. He's also a vet, so is covered under the VA. So no premiums for him. Technically, I'm not retired, but I am disabled. (Same amount of money from SSI.) I'm on Medicare, although that's a joke, so I have medigap. 6.5% of my monthly income, or $62. No way could I afford $1400 or $2800. Whoever pays that kind of insurance is rich. Either payment is more than my monthly income. lol
 
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And I kinda think Jesus went more for the "one for all and all for one" model than the "me me me" model. Too bad even Christians have abandoned Christian moralities.
Actually, Jesus went with "Give me a couple of fish and a few loaves, and I'll feed 5000." If you are able to do it Jesus' way, there will be some question of if you are Jesus.

But the early Christians went commune, so if you want to invite us all over to your place, well... live somewhere besides California or Minnesota. I see problems with both states. lol

Meanwhile, stop thinking your poop don't stink because you aren't like everyone else. As far as I can tell, you're exactly like everyone else -- complaining the government and others aren't doing enough while you are doing even less.
 

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Wow. Depleted you're going back on ignore because you're just offensive. It's not a question of if I think my poop stinks, it's a question of why you think yours has to smell so foul. I pray for your anger and the horrible outpouring it manifests.
 
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My anger and horrible outpouring? You mean like this?
"We have become a nation that sees shared responsibility as socialism and selfishness as rugged individualism."
Ok, here's an example of the change we've seen recently in that attitude:

All thru my career we blended insurance rates so that our retirees could afford health insurance at the same cost that we active employees paid. In other words, for 35 years I 'shared the responsibility' by subsidizing the insurance costs for our retirees. But this new generation? They took a bribe to throw us retirees under the bus by voting to end the blending of rates. Retiree insurance premiums doubled from $1400 a month to $2800 a month - forcing many retirees to now be uninsured. So, having paid my dues for 35 years to help others, I've now taken it in the shorts by those 'selfless rugged individuals' who now want to throw the whole of society under that same bus. So don't give me lip about sharing the responsibility for your new knee, because I spent 35 years doing just that only to be betrayed by today's 'rugged individuals'.
This whole point was one big "they're all meanies, and I'm the victim" when you don't even get who is who, and you're saying the exact same thing you're blaming others on to Willie.

Your arrogance is overwhelming. You are the angriest man on this site. And the biggest victim! Not bad considering you could afford two homes and $1400 or $2800 for health insurance per month, but it's always someone else is being mean to you. And always everyone else's "attitude."
 

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No, to be ripped off like an ignorant sucker for that kind of money is unnecessary.
To answer your question Willie, don't think for a minute that we paid that kind of usury. We got an individual policy for much less, as did all but (I hear) 2 retirees. They didn't want to charge us more, they wanted to get rid of us altogether and used excessive premiums as the way to force us out the door while still being able to say 'we didn't cut them off'.
 

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Ok, here's an example of the change we've seen recently in that attitude:

All thru my career we blended insurance rates so that our retirees could afford health insurance at the same cost that we active employees paid. In other words, for 35 years I 'shared the responsibility' by subsidizing the insurance costs for our retirees. But this new generation? They took a bribe to throw us retirees under the bus by voting to end the blending of rates. Retiree insurance premiums doubled from $1400 a month to $2800 a month - forcing many retirees to now be uninsured. So, having paid my dues for 35 years to help others, I've now taken it in the shorts by those 'selfless rugged individuals' who now want to throw the whole of society under that same bus. So don't give me lip about sharing the responsibility for your new knee, because I spent 35 years doing just that only to be betrayed by today's 'rugged individuals'.

Ricky that's awful, I'm sorry.
 

RickyZ

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How can you cast a blanket statement over Christians for something bad that happened at a secular business? Just because the "selfish" younger people at your work don't want to continue subsidizing the old folks insurance, doesn't mean that Christians have given up on helping others.

But, your company should have had a grandfather clause of some type, even perhaps prorated by your years of service, to help those of you that have paid in for many years.
This is where I get lost because I don't know how to (or if I even can) get you guys to take what happened at one business and expand it into the big picture image that it's not just one secular business, that's the standard of business everywhere these days. What happened to us is just one small example of what's happening to millions and tens of millions all over this country. And Christians are buying into. They spout off about how if you don't work,you don't eat, but take that one step farther and talk about paying employees a fair wage and not hording riches so workers CAN take care of themselves and o-boy watch the verbal daggers fly. The work to eat model only works if you pay your employees enough to afford food. Yet I might as well be p!ssing in the wind to bring that argument to most Christians these days.
 

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Ricky that's awful, I'm sorry.
Thanks and we're fine. The point was about the prevailing attitude in society these days, where 'one for all and all for one' is a liberal curse, replaced by 'me for me and you for me' mentalities.
 
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Retiree insurance premiums doubled from $1400 a month to $2800 a month - forcing many retirees to now be uninsured. So, having paid my dues for 35 years to help others, I've now taken it in the shorts by those 'selfless rugged individuals' who now want to throw the whole of society under that same bus. So don't give me lip about sharing the responsibility for your new knee, because I spent 35 years doing just that only to be betrayed by today's 'rugged individuals'.
That's ain't nuthin... wait till they start whackin old folks cause it's too expensive to care for someone they'll say is about to die anyway and is of no use to society.

Liberals are already talking about this across the world... it's coming.

They'll call it "Mercy Sends offs" er something like that to make murder sounds just lovely.

Concerning not having insurance... looks like folks gonna have to break down and actually trust the Lord for their health!

He's up for it... are you???